TSA Pre-Check like system may be coming for Passholders

[twilight mitsuk]

sounds like a separate bag check lane for passholders

 

[AKLfreak]

I would hope that if this rumor turns out to be true and if they charge for this, that the fees would cover a background check...

Remember PreCheck is a UPCHARGE so i'm sure this will be as well

I believe the hotels remain extremely vulnerable.

 

[RollerCoaster]

This has to be one of the dumbest topics to ever appear on here.

TSA stands for the "Transportation Security Administration" which will NEVER have anything to do with a private theme park. IF and it is highly unlikely Disney were to create some sort of "priority screening" it will be there own process, procedures and policies. It's so ridiculous to suggest that a government agency is going to be taking over the security screening at a theme park. How can any of you fall for such nonsense?

Also, so many of you who've responded truly belong in the Magic Kingdom because you live in Fantasyland. You actually think you're safer from the security checks. You want even more and seem fine giving away your freedom, your time, money, and rights for additional security measures. Well guess what? The inconvenience will increase. The lines will get longer. And most importantly no one is protecting you when you're now in a massive crowd that's just waiting to get through security. What do you do if someone attacks the crowd standing in line for security?

People are so dumb! Unfortunately life comes with risks and unfortunate things happen to good people. That's the reality of life. It's always been that way and it will always be that way in the future.

My preference would be to do away with the metal detectors and the security screening. The screening gives you a false sense of security and in reality it really isn't preventing some sick person from doing horrible things. That's the sad truth. Reality sometimes sucks!

 

[lazyboy97o]

This has to be one of the dumbest topics to ever appear on here.

TSA stands for the "Transportation Security Administration" which will NEVER have anything to do with a private theme park. IF and it is highly unlikely Disney were to create some sort of "priority screening" it will be there own process, procedures and policies. It's so ridiculous to suggest that a government agency is going to be taking over the security screening at a theme park. How can any of you fall for such nonsense?

What transportation services are offered by the San Francisco 49ers and New York Jets?

 

[Scuttle]

Not to mention how DHS is providing pre-screening for the New Fantasy Land...

I was always a supporter of FLE over NFL even though it's not technically an "expansion" as we know.

 

[AEfx]

This has to be one of the dumbest topics to ever appear on here.

TSA stands for the "Transportation Security Administration" which will NEVER have anything to do with a private theme park. IF and it is highly unlikely Disney were to create some sort of "priority screening" it will be there own process, procedures and policies. It's so ridiculous to suggest that a government agency is going to be taking over the security screening at a theme park. How can any of you fall for such nonsense?

You know, you really might want to read the topic before going off like that - you know, where it says "TSA-LIKE". It would have prevented you from making a complete fool of yourself.

 

[King Panda 77]

You know, you really might want to read the topic before going off like that - you know, where it says "TSA-LIKE". It would have prevented you from making a complete fool of yourself.

Probably not.

 

[DisneyCane]

True, and that is why you need a multifaceted approach. Metal detectors can't catch everything, but they can catch a lot of things that can do massive destruction and hurt a lot of people. And just having everyone walk through them is a deterrent as even if nothing else, it makes a location appear to be a more difficult target.

A metal detector isn't going to deter somebody that wants to murder people. Deterrents work for crimes like robbery or vandalism. If somebody is sick enough to want to kill innocent people for no reason, a metal detector isn't going to deter them.

To take it a step further. If somebody is willing to die in order to murder innocent people, there is nothing you can do to stop them.

All we can really do is hope that the number of these sick individuals in the world is relatively small and that when they decide to murder people, they are stopped as quickly as possible to minimize the number of victims.

Some sick moron could injure and kill hundreds by plowing a vehicle through the crowd waiting for the tram in the parking lot. Honestly, they'd do a lot more damage with that type of attack then they would bringing a pistol onto Main Street USA.

 

[bclane]

A metal detector isn't going to deter somebody that wants to murder people. Deterrents work for crimes like robbery or vandalism. If somebody is sick enough to want to kill innocent people for no reason, a metal detector isn't going to deter them.

To take it a step further. If somebody is willing to die in order to murder innocent people, there is nothing you can do to stop them.

All we can really do is hope that the number of these sick individuals in the world is relatively small and that when they decide to murder people, they are stopped as quickly as possible to minimize the number of victims.

Some sick moron could injure and kill hundreds by plowing a vehicle through the crowd waiting for the tram in the parking lot. Honestly, they'd do a lot more damage with that type of attack then they would bringing a pistol onto Main Street USA.

I know you can’t stop all threats, but imo you still do what you can and if not then you are being irresponsible in today’s world. Just my opinion. My interest in metal detectors is not to prevent someone coming in with a handgun or a knife, which might get through anyway, but because they will prevent someone from coming into the park loaded up with multiple assault rifles, etc. I have a feeling they will, at some point, modify the parking situation to add barriers to prevent someone from plowing through a crowd waiting for the monorail and other places crowds gather by roadways. Of course if Neo and Trinity decided to go on a Disney rampage like they did in the Matrix lobby scene, no one could stop them.

 

[DisneyCane]

I know you can’t stop all threats, but imo you still do what you can and if not then you are being irresponsible in today’s world. Just my opinion. My interest in metal detectors is not to prevent someone coming in with a handgun or a knife, which might get through anyway, but because they will prevent someone from coming into the park loaded up with multiple assault rifles, etc. I have a feeling they will, at some point, modify the parking situation to add barriers to prevent someone from plowing through a crowd waiting for the monorail and other places crowds gather by roadways. Of course if Neo and Trinity decided to go on a Disney rampage like they did in the Matrix lobby scene, no one could stop them.

You don't need metal detectors to see an assault rifle (which is a stupid name anyway since there is nothing about them that makes them better for assault than any other rifle). A rifle or shotgun would have to be in a bag or under some ridiculously out of place overcoat to be concealed. At least Disney's mostly useless bag checks would see a rifle.

There are so many ways that someone could easily attack WDW if they were on a suicide mission that can't be stopped that all the entrance "security" does is make it a pain to enter for the 99.99999999% of people that don't intend to harm others. I guess it might also make naive people feel safe.

Once in a while you'll see some headline like "man caught trying to bring a gun into Epcot." The thing is that these cases are almost always somebody with a concealed carry permit that forgot about their pistol because they have it all the time.

Unless they made WDW like a military base and did thorough inspection of every vehicle and person entering the property whatever they do is useless. They are just "doing something" because they are supposed to. Of course, if they truly secured the property it would be so miserable to visit that people would stop going.

 

[Pixieish]

You don't need metal detectors to see an assault rifle (which is a stupid name anyway since there is nothing about them that makes them better for assault than any other rifle). A rifle or shotgun would have to be in a bag or under some ridiculously out of place overcoat to be concealed. At least Disney's mostly useless bag checks would see a rifle.

There are so many ways that someone could easily attack WDW if they were on a suicide mission that can't be stopped that all the entrance "security" does is make it a pain to enter for the 99.99999999% of people that don't intend to harm others. I guess it might also make naive people feel safe.

Once in a while you'll see some headline like "man caught trying to bring a gun into Epcot." The thing is that these cases are almost always somebody with a concealed carry permit that forgot about their pistol because they have it all the time.

Unless they made WDW like a military base and did thorough inspection of every vehicle and person entering the property whatever they do is useless. They are just "doing something" because they are supposed to. Of course, if they truly secured the property it would be so miserable to visit that people would stop going.

I'm glad for the bag checks and metal detectors though - there was a stabbing during a fight at WDW in 1994, and a man shot himself at Epcot in 1992. I've seen stories (and pics) of people getting into fist-fights over the most ridiculous things at Disney...I'm VERY glad none of those idiots had weapons.

 

[bclane]

You don't need metal detectors to see an assault rifle (which is a stupid name anyway since there is nothing about them that makes them better for assault than any other rifle). A rifle or shotgun would have to be in a bag or under some ridiculously out of place overcoat to be concealed. At least Disney's mostly useless bag checks would see a rifle.

There are so many ways that someone could easily attack WDW if they were on a suicide mission that can't be stopped that all the entrance "security" does is make it a pain to enter for the 99.99999999% of people that don't intend to harm others. I guess it might also make naive people feel safe.

Once in a while you'll see some headline like "man caught trying to bring a gun into Epcot." The thing is that these cases are almost always somebody with a concealed carry permit that forgot about their pistol because they have it all the time.

Unless they made WDW like a military base and did thorough inspection of every vehicle and person entering the property whatever they do is useless. They are just "doing something" because they are supposed to. Of course, if they truly secured the property it would be so miserable to visit that people would stop going.

Ok, well I don’t own guns so I don’t know the correct terms to use. Does automatic weapon make more sense? The only point i’m trying to make is that metal detectors will stop people who are armed to the teeth which is what my concern is. I’ve seen plenty of people wear large coats into Disney in the winter where they could have hidden several weapons and this is the exact situation where metal detectors would be effective.

Anyway the only reason I’m still in this discussion is because I feel it would be rude to not repond to your post since you quoted me. I honestly have very little interest in this topic and regret posting in here in the first place. I started losing interest after people started putting down posters for their opinions and at this point, except to no be rude, I’m pretty much checked out.

 

[RollerCoaster]

What transportation services are offered by the San Francisco 49ers and New York Jets?

They don't use TSA. They hired IDEMIA to use a product called IdentoGO. The same company happens to be a TSA contractor as well. However, the purpose of IdentoGO was to use the technology to offer some sort of expedited entry, but also to enhance fan rewards programs and other in-stadium experiences, including possibly implementing cashless and contactless payments for concessions and souvenirs.

The use of these types of companies by Disney would make the security process creepy. If using such a service like IdentoGO would allow people to pass through security without having their bag checked then I would say that Disney would be taking a HUGE gamble.

Yeah...I sure look like a fool!

 

[Mammymouse]

I don't think a TSA style system for Disney is necessary. Even though it creates long lines I do like the bag check. It prevents the unstable or stupid sorts from bringing in things that could make it easy to do something crazy, planned or unplanned. I think to get anymore sophisticated in searching though will not prevent the determined nutzo from carrying out a tragedy. Surveillance enhancements (I know they have plenty of it already) would be my choice for extra precautions. Unfortunately the world has changed.

 

[AEfx]

Remember PreCheck is a UPCHARGE so i'm sure this will be as well

Sign me up!

 

[DisneyCane]

I don't think a TSA style system for Disney is necessary. Even though it creates long lines I do like the bag check. It prevents the unstable or stupid sorts from bringing in things that could make it easy to do something crazy, planned or unplanned. I think to get anymore sophisticated in searching though will not prevent the determined nutzo from carrying out a tragedy. Surveillance enhancements (I know they have plenty of it already) would be my choice for extra precautions. Unfortunately the world has changed.

The current bag checks don't prevent anybody from bringing things in. Unless you either have x-ray machines or do a thorough check where the bag is completely emptied and the lining carefully felt, you can bring pretty much anything through security if you wanted to.

If Disney is going to have security then have real security. Don't just have pretend security to make people feel safe when they are not any safer than before security screening was implemented.

 

[Pixieish]

The current bag checks don't prevent anybody from bringing things in. Unless you either have x-ray machines or do a thorough check where the bag is completely emptied and the lining carefully felt, you can bring pretty much anything through security if you wanted to.

If Disney is going to have security then have real security. Don't just have pretend security to make people feel safe when they are not any safer than before security screening was implemented.

I disagree. I think the number of pocket knives left at home because people know they're checking bags make it worth it. I'd hate to see two people at Food & Wine who are drunk and being idiots end up stabbing each other because they happened to have a pocket knife on them. I was a professional woodcarver for many years, and I even keep one in my purse more than 10 years later...but if I know I'm going through security anywhere I leave it at home.

 

[DisneyCane]

I disagree. I think the number of pocket knives left at home because people know they're checking bags make it worth it. I'd hate to see two people at Food & Wine who are drunk and being idiots end up stabbing each other because they happened to have a pocket knife on them. I was a professional woodcarver for many years, and I even keep one in my purse more than 10 years later...but if I know I'm going through security anywhere I leave it at home.

Fair point. I will agree that the fact that the checks exist could keep a situation like this from happening and I agree that it is a good thing for drunk idiots not to have knives on them.

If somebody hid a knife in a bag on purpose the bag checks are highly unlikely to find it. But in a case like yours, somebody while sober might think to leave a knife out of their bag. Therefore, if they drink too much later, they won't accidentally have access to a deadly weapon.

I still say, if they are going to put everybody through the hassle of security, install x-ray machines and try to do real bag checks. At least that can prevent people from purposely trying to bring in knives or hand guns by hiding them in the bags.

Notice that sports venues that don't have x-ray but do have bag checks have all gone to clear bag policies with limits on bag size. Disney can't do that because of the customer base encompassing many families with small children that need to bring all kinds of supplies with them for a day in a theme park.

 

[HauntedPirate]

If Disney didn't create an inconvenience and/or a bottleneck, then how would they be able to justify charging people to get around it?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I still say, if they are going to put everybody through the hassle of security, install x-ray machines and try to do real bag checks. At least that can prevent people from purposely trying to bring in knives or hand guns by hiding them in the bags.

Audits of these types of checks demonstrate otherwise.