Tron on Blu-ray in December?

Master Yoda

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You're joking, right? You do realize it was black Friday shopping weekend so tons of specials were being run on blu ray movies for $5, $10 and $15. I hope you found some under $15! Those are once a year prices! I bought Batman Begins, Ice Age and Independence Day for $5 each this past weekend, all on blu ray. According to BesBuy.com today, at this very moment, those are selling for $14.99, $19.99 and $27.99, respectively. Go in there today and the average price for a blu ray is $15-$25.

DDbowdoin is 100% right on this price thing. For everyone that has never seen a blu ray over $29.99, especially a new release, [/B]I hope you don't plan on buying the new Fantasia on blu ray that came out today, because it's on sale this week at Best Buy for $29.99, and usually retails for $34.99. And if you haven't gotten your copy of TS3 on blu ray yet, it's currently selling for $34.99 at Best Buy!
This is why I do not buy blu-rays from Best Buy. TS3 is 19.99 at Amazon and Wal Mart.

http://www.amazon.com/Story-Four-Disc-Blu-ray-Combo-Digital/dp/B003XKPPOU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291205715&sr=8-1

http://www.walmart.com/ip/14972661

Best Buy very well might charge a premium for their Blu-Rays but there are plenty of other retailers that don't
 

captainkidd

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You're joking, right? You do realize it was black Friday shopping weekend so tons of specials were being run on blu ray movies for $5, $10 and $15. I hope you found some under $15! Those are once a year prices!

$5 maybe, but Best Buy (ours anyway) always has Blu-Ray movies on sale for $10 or $15. So does Wal-Mart and Target.
 

CarlFredricksen

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2 things:

$5 maybe, but Best Buy (ours anyway) always has Blu-Ray movies on sale for $10 or $15. So does Wal-Mart and Target.

First, I’m sure you’re able to find blu ray movies for under the $15 mark, just like I can find a ton of DVD’s for $1.99. Most of these movies are garbage however, and no one in their right mind would buy them. So to say you can find them, sure, I’ll give you that. However I believe the point ddbowdoin has been trying to make from the start is that after the initial release week where blu rays are on sale for around $20, many of them shoot up to $24.99+.

This is why I do not buy blu-rays from Best Buy. TS3 is 19.99 at Amazon and Wal Mart.

http://www.amazon.com/Story-Four-Disc-Blu-ray-Combo-Digital/dp/B003XKPPOU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291205715&sr=8-1

http://www.walmart.com/ip/14972661

Best Buy very well might charge a premium for their Blu-Rays but there are plenty of other retailers that don't


Second, for every example you can provide a movie selling for under $25, I’m sure I could provide one for selling over $25. But that’s not the point. It’s not a contest of who can provide the most examples. The only reason I pointed out those two examples were to demonstrate that many big name retailers do sell movies at MSRP, and that even during a release week, some movies (Fantasia) are being sold above $25. I understand that many don’t, however I wanted to show you just one example of a movie being sold at that $35 mark that’s not a box set.

Aside from boxed sets I do not think I have ever seen a blu-ray selling for $35 since they hit the street several years ago. $35 might be the MSRP but I have yet to see a retailer try to sell one at that price in quite some time.
 

slappy magoo

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Film contains much more information than standard DVD can reproduce. The BluRay format has enough room to allow for a digital transfer that approaches the picture quality of the original film.

What he said. I think the main reason so many people think old movies don't benefit from Blu-Ray is because, if the movie is old enough, many of us only ever saw them on TV in the first place, not on a big screen from a new pristine print. So we tend to not realize just how good a well-mastered Blu Ray can look over even the best-mastered DVD.

Another factor is also the type of movie that it is. Not every old movie was crafted with a loving eye for the visual. If it's a fairly static movie, without a lot of attention to depth, without a lot of action, you may not notice the quality a Blu Ray can provide as much as an older movie that did get a lot of visual detail in the image.

Casablanca looks awesome in Blu Ray, and the DVD isn't too shabby either. Ditto The Wizard of Oz.

Back on original topic, I wouldn't be surprised if a decision was made to hold off on releasing a Blu Ray of Tron until the new movie is about to come out on home video, too. Let's face it, some of the effects are impressive for their time, a glimpse of effects to come. Some of it is masking tape. And while the movie has a devoted following, it's not known for being a Disney classic, and I'd suspect some of the "suits" were worried that, if people were seeing Tron on video for the first time, in preparation for seeing the new movie, and decided they didn't like it, they wouldn't head out to the theaters to see Legacy.

Besides, you just know they're going to release the two movies in a combo pack anyway. And for people who buy a lot of DVDs (and now Blu Rays) that's the sort of thing that always sticks in their craw, the idea that, after they buy a movie, it gets re-bundled in a package, with nifty packaging (like a Tron light cycle, and each wheel of the light cycle houses the movie or something like that which I'd bet a nickel is being considered) and then, to get the shiny bauble they can prop up on their collectible case next to their autographed Tricia Helfer 8x10 and the Corenlius-head "Planet of the Apes" box set, they have to "double dip." Better to wait and not have the fan boys enraged.
 

slappy magoo

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Oh, and as far as the Blu-Ray price war side-topic goes, every chain offers deep discounts on SOME titles as they come out, but they don't always offer deep discounts on the SAME titles. Amazon may have title A for less, and then Best Buy will have Title B for less. They'll bundle deals - maybe Amazon has Beauty and the Beast for less, but Best Buy offers another 8 dollars off if you buy Beauty and the Beast with another Disney title, which, were you planning to buy, makes it a better value and on and on. Everyone has a good deal on something, few stores ever offer you a great deal on everything. You've got to pick and choose what you buy and where to get the best bang for your buck.
 

wolf359

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Honestly, I'm shocked Tron isn't available now. Since Tron Legacy is essentially a sequel, I really wanted to refresh my memory of the original before going to see it.

I know Disney was let down that the original didn't become a huge success, but it really sends mixed messages that they still seem ashamed of the original enough to delay the DVD/BluRay release yet are pouring TONS of money into a sequel and a huge marketing campaign.
 

slappy magoo

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Honestly, I'm shocked Tron isn't available now. Since Tron Legacy is essentially a sequel, I really wanted to refresh my memory of the original before going to see it.

I know Disney was let down that the original didn't become a huge success, but it really sends mixed messages that they still seem ashamed of the original enough to delay the DVD/BluRay release yet are pouring TONS of money into a sequel and a huge marketing campaign.

Well, it's not like you can't find Tron ANYWHERE. Just not on Blu. And were I a betting man, I'd say it's probably because a: they didn't want the "stink"* of the original jeopardizing the marketing juggernut of the sequel and/or b: they're planning some sort of collectors' sets with both movies in the future.


*I'm not saying I think Tron has a stink to it, only that I think Disney suits think that, or at least worry about it.
 

Master Yoda

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Well, it's not like you can't find Tron ANYWHERE. Just not on Blu. And were I a betting man, I'd say it's probably because a: they didn't want the "stink"* of the original jeopardizing the marketing juggernut of the sequel and/or b: they're planning some sort of collectors' sets with both movies in the future.


*I'm not saying I think Tron has a stink to it, only that I think Disney suits think that, or at least worry about it.
You can find it but you will pay a small fortune for it right now. The story that was going around was that Disney stopped selling the original DVD to retailers not too long after Legacy was announced. Needless to say the stock on had at retailers like Best Buy, Wal Mart, ect went pretty quickly. Now the only place you can find the original on any format is on auction sites and through private sellers on Amazon. Currently used copies are going for between $50-$80 and new copies are fetching $150 or more.
 

CarlFredricksen

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Well, it's not like you can't find Tron ANYWHERE. Just not on Blu. And were I a betting man, I'd say it's probably because a: they didn't want the "stink"* of the original jeopardizing the marketing juggernut of the sequel and/or b: they're planning some sort of collectors' sets with both movies in the future.


*I'm not saying I think Tron has a stink to it, only that I think Disney suits think that, or at least worry about it.

I agree 100%. From every review I've read thus far on the movie, the script isn't written as much as a sequel, more as a re-launching of the series. Basically they want to run with the original idea and concept so they can turn TRON into a franchise, based on Legacy, not the original. Instead of completely remaking it, it is technically a sequel, however in a couple of years if they make another one, they want you to think of that as the sequel to Legacy, not third part of a trilogy.
 

slappy magoo

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In related news...
http://www.studiobriefing.net/2010/12/will-tron-be-trounced-again/


From the above link, any emphasis mine...

Converting a popular videogame into a movie has always been a dicey proposition. Now, reports indicate that the 3D sequel to Disney’s Tron, a movie about videogames that was released in 1982 — before such things ever arrived in the home — may find itself inheriting the failed legacy of the original. According to the Hollywood Reporter, tracking firms are reporting relatively little interest among moviegoers in Tron: Legacy, which is due to open on December 17. The film, which reportedly cost $200 million to produce, is expected to earn as little as $35 million during its opening weekend, according to the tracking surveys cited by the trade publication. (The original Tron cost an estimated $17 million to make and earned $4.76 million when it opened in July 1982.) Oddly, Disney is not releasing the original on DVD in conjunction with the theatrical release of the sequel — touching off much online speculation that the studio remains embarrassed by the quality of the original and fears that releasing it now could harm, rather than help, the new movies.
 

EpcotServo

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In related news...
http://www.studiobriefing.net/2010/12/will-tron-be-trounced-again/


From the above link, any emphasis mine...

Converting a popular videogame into a movie has always been a dicey proposition. Now, reports indicate that the 3D sequel to Disney’s Tron, a movie about videogames that was released in 1982 — before such things ever arrived in the home — may find itself inheriting the failed legacy of the original. According to the Hollywood Reporter, tracking firms are reporting relatively little interest among moviegoers in Tron: Legacy, which is due to open on December 17. The film, which reportedly cost $200 million to produce, is expected to earn as little as $35 million during its opening weekend, according to the tracking surveys cited by the trade publication. (The original Tron cost an estimated $17 million to make and earned $4.76 million when it opened in July 1982.) Oddly, Disney is not releasing the original on DVD in conjunction with the theatrical release of the sequel — touching off much online speculation that the studio remains embarrassed by the quality of the original and fears that releasing it now could harm, rather than help, the new movies.

Typical Hollywood Panic Attack. They won't know until it comes out. Besides, what they JUST HAPPEN to gloss over is that really the original TRON finished with $33 million, which payed off the film itself rather well. Only problem was that they payed a huge (at the time) price for marketing, $15 million. Meaning they made very little profit on the film itself.

Crummy way of counting the Opening Weekend as the only way of judging films aside, TRON has an incredible legacy that will never die, and this film is aiming to continue it for a new generation.

And if it does not do well at the Box Office, and Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Colorwash Treater does, I will officially cutoff America from getting any more good movies.



You heard me.
 

slappy magoo

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Typical Hollywood Panic Attack. They won't know until it comes out. Besides, what they JUST HAPPEN to gloss over is that really the original TRON finished with $33 million, which payed off the film itself rather well. Only problem was that they payed a huge (at the time) price for marketing, $15 million. Meaning they made very little profit on the film itself.

Crummy way of counting the Opening Weekend as the only way of judging films aside, TRON has an incredible legacy that will never die, and this film is aiming to continue it for a new generation.

And if it does not do well at the Box Office, and Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Colorwash Treater does, I will officially cutoff America from getting any more good movies.



You heard me.

Well, a few points to consider...

1: The Hollywood Reporter, when it tracks interest in a given movie, it's usually a pretty reliable guesstimate of how well a movie will do. The wild card tends to be word-of-mouth. If a movie has tremendous word-of-mouth, it may wind up having legs that keep it in the theater much longer than expected. Because I'm old and don't get out of the house much :D a good not-so-recent example would be The Italian Job. Not a lot of interest, a weak opening weekend, but strong word of mouth, and it wound up playing for months, never making crazy money, but performing solidly week after week. On the flip side, interest was strong for "The Hulk,' but audience reaction was so weak, attendance crumbled more than 80% between the first and second weekend. It's a reliable barometer based on reliable patterns. So I guess you can hope for a wild card.

2: According to imdb, Tron made a little under 27 mill in its domestic run, not 33. Maybe your total is worldwide, I don't know, it's kinda moot, we'll say you're right and box office is 33. You ARE aware that Disney doesn't get ALL of that, right? They do have to shell out a FEW peanuts to the theaters showing their movies, after all. Traditionally, studios and theaters split the ticket price, and it starts out lopsided in the studios' favor. It could be 75-25 or 80-20%. If the movie is a big tentpole kind of picture, with a lot of interest, it may even be 85-15 or 90-10%. Subsequent weeks of release, it evens out, and usually by the 5th week, the split is 50-50. Of course, how many movies nowadays even last 5 weeks? One of the reasons popcorn and a soda at your local multiplex is eleventy-seventy-teen dollars; it's the only way they make coin. Tron lasted about 9 weeks in theaters. Speaking generously, if Disney made 70% of every box office dollar, 70% of 33 million is 23.1 million. With a production budget of 17 million, plus marketing costs, we're not talking a movie that paid itself off very well at all. They probably made more money from the video game than the movie, though once you factor in video sales and rentals, it got in the black.

So what we're talking about is a 200-million-dollar gamble, on a property that has a devoted-but-not-huge fanbase, and not a lot of interest beyond that base. If the movie kicks a tremendous amount of keister, positive word of mouth will give it legs. But still, whatever videogame thay make based on the movie will probably help recoup the cost if the movie doesn't do well - indeed the video game's profits is probably the main reason they took a risk making the sequel in the first place.
 

flavious27

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According to the director he spent 6 weeks remastering Tron for Blu-ray. I think the only question is when will Tron on Blu-Ray will be released. Current thinking is either shortly after Legacy hits theaters or when Legacy is released on DVD.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5413

It had to take longer than 6 weeks to remaster that movie. The audio would have had to be reworked into the 7.1 format, the images would have to be remastered frame by frame and also the resolution would need to be right. This takes longer than 6 weeks unless there was a small army working on it 24/7.

I would wait until the 2 movie set is released on BR.
 

Master Yoda

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Premium Member
It had to take longer than 6 weeks to remaster that movie. The audio would have had to be reworked into the 7.1 format, the images would have to be remastered frame by frame and also the resolution would need to be right. This takes longer than 6 weeks unless there was a small army working on it 24/7.

I would wait until the 2 movie set is released on BR.
I have no clue how the re-mastering process works so I can only quote what the director said. If Legacy does well they are talking trilogy not including the first movie.
 

flavious27

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I have no clue how the re-mastering process works so I can only quote what the director said. If Legacy does well they are talking trilogy not including the first movie.

It takes alot of work, alot. the only thing that would take 6 weeks is going over everything and making a master copy.
 

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