Brother Bear was the last drawn animation movie. I was just wondering how others feel about everything being computer animated now?
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Traditional Animation vs. Computer Animation
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donvincenzo
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I am looking forward to a combination of both in the coming years....
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I am looking forward to a combination of both in the coming years....
NJDVCMembers
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We love all the Pixar stuff, but...
- Hand drawn over CGI
- National League over American League (The DH is a joke, your on the field, you get up to bat!!!)
- McDonalds fries over Burger King Fries.
urbanvegan
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(Home on the Range in 2004 was actually the last, just to clarify.)
I like both - the medium doesn't as much to me as great characters and story, though.
I like both - the medium doesn't as much to me as great characters and story, though.
krankenstein
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Home on the Range was the last traditional animation movie Disney made.
Check That: urbanvegan beat me to it
Vernonpush
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Isn't the new princess movie supposed to be a traditional hand drawn movie?
Jerm
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HOW DARE YOU!!!!:hurl:
Ha ha ha Disney is going back to the old way after they get the next few projects done and then Pixar will all be computer and Disney will be old school (not that it is really old school since it is done with a computer anway)
progroupie
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I don't mind computer animation when it still looks like hand drawn animation. I'm not really a fan of all the CGI stuff unless it really works with the storyline, like I think it was very appropriate for the Toy Story movies but it doesn't work for just anything.
the-reason14
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Thats what I heard. Hopefully another golden age of disney animation is upon us. Heaven knows Pixar is the only portion of WDC that is pumping out decent animated films. But still, there's no Beauty and the Beast or Lion Kings out there. Here's to hopin that that quality returns.
JennyTablina
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This topic seems a little out of place, shouldnt it be in the feature film or animation sector of the forum? Anyways
CGIs great, but I think its getting flogged to death by overuse personally. Heck one of Pixars next features are 2D and another project is live action. So even the king of CGI films is kinda tired of the same old
I only hope The Princess and the Frog turns out okay. Though CGI wise Bolt the Wonder Dog is sounding pretty good too. Overall would be nice if Disney had more of their own stuff to work with.
CGIs great, but I think its getting flogged to death by overuse personally. Heck one of Pixars next features are 2D and another project is live action. So even the king of CGI films is kinda tired of the same old
I only hope The Princess and the Frog turns out okay. Though CGI wise Bolt the Wonder Dog is sounding pretty good too. Overall would be nice if Disney had more of their own stuff to work with.
imagineer boy
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Its been said before, it doesn't matter if its CGI, motion captured, live action, hand drawn, or clay animated, what audiences want is good characters and good stories.
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Biff215
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First, hi from Galloway!
Second, great post! NL always over the AL, McD's fries always beat the King's, and hand drawn will always win out for me, no matter how great the CGI looks!
Let me add one more: Disney trumps Universal, but that's just obvious!
Vernonpush
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I heard on the news or read in the paper (can't remember where), that all future Pixar movies will be released in theatres as 3-D movies.
:shrug:
fizzle75
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Yes, The Princess and The Frog, which I think is now currently slated to be released during the holiday season of 2009, will be Disney's first hand drawn movie since Home On The Range. As a huuuuge fan of Disney's hand drawn animation I am very excited about The Princess and The Frog.
I love Pixar's films but IMHO traditional hand drawn animation just has a beauty, lushness and richness to it that CGI has yet to capture(although Ratatouille came close). Also, hand drawn animation just has more "heart" and tends to have more emotional resonance to me. I don't think anyone will ever be able to recapture the "magic" that Walt's Nine Old Men were able to harness during Disney's first "Golden Era". Some of Disney's newer animators have been able to recapture that magic, guys like Glen Keane and Chris Sanders seem to be cut from the same cloth as Walt's Nine and they animate in a way that truly captures the heart and soul of the character.
I know folks like to slam Disney's more recent animated films, and yeah I agree that some of the writing is less than stellar but if you can get past that you will see some of the most beautiful animation ever created. Lilo and Stitch, Brother Bear and even Bambi 2 are drop dead gorgeous films and I will argue with anyone who says otherwise.
A few weeks ago, I was moved to tears when I read that Ollie Johnston had died. Ollie was a genius and there will never be another like him. To me, the animation created by Ollie, Frank Thomas, Ward Kimball, Wolfgang Reitherman, Milt Kahl, Les Clark, Eric Larson, Marc Davis,John Lounsbery and Freddie Moore was the height of fine art. I have never seen another piece of art that moves me like their work does. I realize art and it's appeal are subjective but IMHO these guys were true masters of thier craft and they set the bar so high that it's nigh impossible for others to reach. Even Glen Keane, who is a genius in his own right, was/is blown away by what Ollie and the other Nine were able to accomplish.
If you wish to learn more about Disney animation I highly recommend the Frank and Ollie DVD, The Reluctant Dragon DVD and the following books...
Walt Disney's Nine Old Men & The Art Of Animation by John Canemaker
and the animator's "Bible" The Illusion of Life
isney Animation by Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston. There's no denying that CGI can be beautiful, Pixar's films(particularly Ratatouille and Wall E)clearly show the mediums power, but IMHO it has a long way to go to capture the "heart" of hand drawn animation.
Missing20K
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This doesn't seem like news or rumors....:shrug:
That being said, both have their advantages and disadvantages. Being a design student, I have the utmost respect for hand-drawn animation. Having dabbled in it slightly, it is an incredible amount of work and dedication, and something about each and every line in a traditional animated movie or short being drawn by an actual human hand is pretty neat. However, computer animation allows the artist to create images that would be nearly, or completely, impossible using traditional methods. I really enjoy both, so for me it comes down to story telling, plot, character development, etc.
That being said, both have their advantages and disadvantages. Being a design student, I have the utmost respect for hand-drawn animation. Having dabbled in it slightly, it is an incredible amount of work and dedication, and something about each and every line in a traditional animated movie or short being drawn by an actual human hand is pretty neat. However, computer animation allows the artist to create images that would be nearly, or completely, impossible using traditional methods. I really enjoy both, so for me it comes down to story telling, plot, character development, etc.
clarksfan95
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You ask any animator this question and they will tell you the same thing...it doesn't honestly matter. If the story is horrible...the movie is going to be horrible. If you look back through some Disney movies that had major story problems you'll find these gems that were traditionally animated:
Home on the Range (story problems out the you know what)
Treasure Planet (in development for over 10 years)
Black Cauldron didn't have a story hammered down for over half of the production time
Atlantis (bad story - again - issues)
other notable features include Dreamworks: Road to El Dorado and Sinbad.
There are many others I could list, but we'll leave it at that. I actually enjoyed a couple of these movies, but they were all heavily lacking story and characterization (if you don't care about the characters why are you gonna care about the movie)
There are also quite a few failures in the 3D world as well. To be honest though there have been zero Disney movies since Lilo and Stitch where I honestly cared about the characters. Whereas looking at Pixar (for example) they released 2 Toy Story movies with great characterization, I think Monsters Inc was also amazing - it had a solid story and characters.
and....
I think Wall-E is going to be the next best thing to come to the animation world. These trailers have only gotten better as time has gone on and I'm so intrigued by a character that has mouth and has very little ways to express feelings other than pantomime (sp?). I see more heart in this movie than any other 3D movie I've seen - and I've only seen clips of it. This and Rapunzel are the two most aniticipated movies for myself in the next couple years...everything else I'm not really all that concerned about.
On a side note: Disney will continue to do 3D animated films under their own roof, but they will be limited. Pixar will get the bulk of the 3D load while Disney will slowly transition back to doing mostly 2D.
Home on the Range (story problems out the you know what)
Treasure Planet (in development for over 10 years)
Black Cauldron didn't have a story hammered down for over half of the production time
Atlantis (bad story - again - issues)
other notable features include Dreamworks: Road to El Dorado and Sinbad.
There are many others I could list, but we'll leave it at that. I actually enjoyed a couple of these movies, but they were all heavily lacking story and characterization (if you don't care about the characters why are you gonna care about the movie)
There are also quite a few failures in the 3D world as well. To be honest though there have been zero Disney movies since Lilo and Stitch where I honestly cared about the characters. Whereas looking at Pixar (for example) they released 2 Toy Story movies with great characterization, I think Monsters Inc was also amazing - it had a solid story and characters.
and....
I think Wall-E is going to be the next best thing to come to the animation world. These trailers have only gotten better as time has gone on and I'm so intrigued by a character that has mouth and has very little ways to express feelings other than pantomime (sp?). I see more heart in this movie than any other 3D movie I've seen - and I've only seen clips of it. This and Rapunzel are the two most aniticipated movies for myself in the next couple years...everything else I'm not really all that concerned about.
On a side note: Disney will continue to do 3D animated films under their own roof, but they will be limited. Pixar will get the bulk of the 3D load while Disney will slowly transition back to doing mostly 2D.
This movie looked so promising until they removed Chris Sanders from the project and completely changed all the designs of the characters. I now hope that this movie fails.......miserably. Remove Sanders...fine....remove his designs....not fine.
erasure fan1
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I agree with most that 2D, CG, it doesnt matter. What counts is the story, not the medium that its produced in. I hope that Disney gives 2D a fair shake and doesnt just give up if the princess and the frog doesnt do that well. Lets just hope its just the beginning.
The Adventurer
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Traditional Animation and Computer-Generated Animation each have their own special brand of magic and the entertainment world has room for both. The geniuses at Pixar have not made a false step since bringing audiences Toy Story in 1995, but most of the animated classics of yesteryear still hold up as far as I am concerned. I feel that if films like Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Treasure Planet and Home on the Range had succeeded, we wouldn't be having this discussion today.
The Adventurer
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While characterization and a strong story are also important, I think that a lot of the problem is lack of imagination on the audiences behalf. This is most evident in the cases of Atlantis: The Lost Empire and The Black Cauldron, which I felt used the medium to its fullest potential. The only thing about these two films is that they did not conform to everyone's idea of what a Disney animated feature should be. Treasure Planet, however, lacked restraint despite its dazzling treatment and Home on the Range was one of those projects that is not ready for the world of cinema.