Toy Story Land expansion announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

[mikejs78]

For someone who was saying to look people up maybe you should do the same. @lentesta is not someone with “zero information”. He pointed out something he could not explain, that the number given divided by 365 doesn’t match his knowledge of the park’s capacity after modeling it for years.

Knowing who actually does what is not semantics. The whole conspiracy to which you allude is built around the TEA controlling and manipulating the numbers and not AECOM Economics, the successor to Harrison “Buzz” Price’s Economic Research Associates and one of the biggest names in amusement economic modeling.

It's one thing to say the numbers don't quite make sense. I trust @lentesta and believe him when he says that. He may be right. There could also be a flaw in his model. Either way, either Len or the TEA is wrong. (This assumes that Len still hasn't figured out how the numbers make sense... He could have an explanation by now, his comment was from when the numbers first came out...).

It's quite another to chalk this up to some consipracy of Disney cooking their numbers... Worst case here, TEA got it wrong. I doubt there's any purposeful misinformation campaign going on here...

 

[mikejs78]

In my opinion humans are lemmings (not all obviously, this is a generalistation) for corporations and capitalism. We allow them to tell us what we want, how we want it, and we seem to fork over the dough at any chance.

Or, maybe corporations are in the business of finding out what people already need or want, and then convince them that their product will best fit that need or want. There are a lot of products that don't make it, even ones that come from companies adept at marketing and selling.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Who is saying that? They've done this with Adventures Through Inner Space, Honey I Shrunk the Audience, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Toy Story Playland's around the world, Toy Story Mania!, A Bug's Land and Pixie Hollow just to name a few.

The Media!! What Else.....They don't reflect about that it ever happend....

 

[Casper Gutman]

It's one thing to say the numbers don't quite make sense. I trust @lentesta and believe him when he says that. He may be right. There could also be a flaw in his model. Either way, either Len or the TEA is wrong. (This assumes that Len still hasn't figured out how the numbers make sense... He could have an explanation by now, his comment was from when the numbers first came out...).

It's quite another to chalk this up to some consipracy of Disney cooking their numbers... Worst case here, TEA got it wrong. I doubt there's any purposeful misinformation campaign going on here...

I have no inside information, but a major corporation fudging the numbers they give to a non-governmental body like TEA doesn’t really rise to the level of “conspiracy.” I’m not sure it even qualifies as “surprising.”

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Still a shame they had to go with a Vacation Club route when they could have made Andy's Toybox or Al's Toy Barn...

 

[Casper Gutman]

As noted in the other thread, it’s a staggeringly bland space with little connection to Sunset. Disney’s recent turn towards generic, banal retail space is one of the most surprising and egregious trends at the American parks.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Who is saying that? They've done this with Adventures Through Inner Space, Honey I Shrunk the Audience, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Toy Story Playland's around the world, Toy Story Mania!, A Bug's Land and Pixie Hollow just to name a few.

Excellent list!

Plus, though not necessarily shrinking you down to the size of a toy:
All Star Sports
All Star Movies
All Star Sports
Pop Century

'Oversized colourful cartoony objects' has been the go-to scheme for the mediocre of talent of WDI ever since the mid-nineties.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Excellent list!

Plus, though not necessarily shrinking you down to the size of a toy:
All Star Sports
All Star Movies
All Star Sports
Pop Century

'Oversized colourful cartoony objects' has been the go-to scheme for the mediocre of talent of WDI ever since the mid-nineties.

Mediocre talent indeed.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

As noted in the other thread, it’s a staggeringly bland space with little connection to Sunset. Disney’s recent turn towards generic, banal retail space is one of the most surprising and egregious trends at the American parks.

The parks are being converted.

The concern is not an area's theme, but its characters' exposure.

Sunset Boulevard is now Toy Story, Incredibles next door, Star Wars opposite, ending with Belle. There is no pretense of classic Hollywood, except as some sort of communal dressing scheme. The very idea is that you realise you are in a Disney character environment, rather than some non-Disney Hollywood.

 

[TalkingHead]

Mediocre talent indeed.

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You can't be serious.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Mediocre talent indeed.

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Disregarding the individual merit of each of these works, art and design derive their value from context, place, intention.

An upside down toilet at a landfill is not the same as one in a gallery. One a piece of junk, the other a priceless work of famous art.
A fiberglass copy of an LA landmark in LA is junk, in a themed environment it can be an object of great design, showing mastery of placemaking, scripted environment, urbanism, architecture.

 

[nickys]

I'm still waiting...

Were you there when it started raining today?

I don't think that's what @Lensman meant!

 

[peter11435]

Still a shame they had to go with a Vacation Club route when they could have made Andy's Toybox or Al's Toy Barn...

Especially considering how nice the plans for Al’s toy barn were

 

[peter11435]

I have no inside information, but a major corporation fudging the numbers they give to a non-governmental body like TEA doesn’t really rise to the level of “conspiracy.” I’m not sure it even qualifies as “surprising.”

Disney does not give any numbers to TEA

 

[peter11435]

As noted in the other thread, it’s a staggeringly bland space with little connection to Sunset. Disney’s recent turn towards generic, banal retail space is one of the most surprising and egregious trends at the American parks.

I’m not sure I would call it a trend just yet. At least not in the parks. Pandora, Norway Expansion, Storybook Circus, New Fantasyland, and Carsland all feature well themed merchandise locations appropriate for their locations. Even the merch carts within Toy Story Land are themed and anything but bland. This is obviously a rushed job when they realized they didn’t have enough retail within the land itself.

Now resorts is another story... yacht club I’m looking at you.

 

[mikejs78]

I have no inside information, but a major corporation fudging the numbers they give to a non-governmental body like TEA doesn’t really rise to the level of “conspiracy.” I’m not sure it even qualifies as “surprising.”

Except Disney doesn't give numbers to TEA.

 

[mikejs78]

Especially considering how nice the plans for Al’s toy barn were

How would have Al's Toy Barn have fit the setting of Andy's Backyard?

 

[LieutLaww]

Looks like DHS had an early open again, app is showing times around 5-15 mins for most rides currently

 

[peter11435]

How would have Al's Toy Barn have fit the setting of Andy's Backyard?

The treatment worked very very well.