Toy Story Land expansion announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

PizzaPlanet

PizzaPlanet

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Mr. Spell and Mic have also been added, just like in the concept art. I wonder if it's the same Mr. Spell that used to reside in Pixar Place? From Bioreconstruct:
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Goofyernmost

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wdwgreek said:
Oooo single green army man. I feel like they are just throwing random things places and calling it theming at this point. Also does his scale seem off to anyone else? Shouldn't he be slightly larger. the army men weren't that much smaller then slinky or jessie.
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So if I understand correctly, all toys that children play with are of uniform size. None are smaller or larger in scale when compared to other toys? So many strive for perfection in scale to facilitate the story without figuring out what the reality of size actually is. We are going to be going in there allegedly small enough to ride on a toy coaster. Does anyone have the thought of how small everything else has to be to be in scale with ourselves? In other words, there is no perfection possible... try doing some of the work yourself and utilize that grossly under used imagination of yours.
 
lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
So if I understand correctly, all toys that children play with are of uniform size. None are smaller or larger in scale when compared to other toys? So many strive for perfection in scale to facilitate the story without figuring out what the reality of size actually is. We are going to be going in there allegedly small enough to ride on a toy coaster. Does anyone have the thought of how small everything else has to be to be in scale with ourselves? In other words, there is no perfection possible... try doing some of the work yourself and utilize that grossly under used imagination of yours.
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Scale is quite easy to maintain. The guests shouldn’t have to do the work to make something better. That’s just dumb. Its the role of the story teller to tell a good story, and it’s not the audience’s job to ignore that story and pretend the story is better.
 
Goofyernmost

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lazyboy97o said:
Scale is quite easy to maintain. The guests shouldn’t have to do the work to make something better. That’s just dumb. Its the role of the story teller to tell a good story, and it’s not the audience’s job to ignore that story and pretend the story is better.
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Try a little reality once in awhile. Seriously, isn't it obvious by now that miracles are not a thing of possibility except in your imagination. If you go by scale compared to us, not as adults but as beings small enough to actually ride a toy, everything else would have to be invisible. If you can tell me otherwise how it is done, then you are just trying to lasso rainbows. All that can be done is make things larger so that we appear the same size and there just isn't enough room in all 43 square miles for that to happen. However, that still doesn't change the fact that toys are not all the same size and therefore to appear real have to have that same variety of scale... the rest you have to imagine. Stop being so lazy and expecting everything to be done for you. In order for anything in Disney to work YOU must allow your imagination to create the scene. All Disney can do is suggest and from what I can tell that is exactly what they are doing. That is what story telling is all about. Story telling is conveying information and your brain creating the scene based on what you are being told. Still is you though. You have to be able and willing to picture the situation, not analyze the snot out of it.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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wdwgreek said:
Oooo single green army man. I feel like they are just throwing random things places and calling it theming at this point. Also does his scale seem off to anyone else? Shouldn't he be slightly larger. the army men weren't that much smaller then slinky or jessie.
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Yeah, unfortunately Toy Story as a theme is a tougher one to pull off. It doesn't real lend itself to immersion and things feel more decorated than themed. Even the best version of a Toy Story Land is unlikely to be as good as the best version of a land that better lends itself to theming.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
Try a little reality once in awhile. Seriously, isn't it obvious by now that miracles are not a thing of possibility except in your imagination. If you go by scale compared to us, not as adults but as beings small enough to actually ride a toy, everything else would have to be invisible. If you can tell me otherwise how it is done, then you are just trying to lasso rainbows. All that can be done is make things larger so that we appear the same size and there just isn't enough room in all 43 square miles for that to happen. However, that still doesn't change the fact that toys are not all the same size and therefore to appear real have to have that same variety of scale... the rest you have to imagine. Stop being so lazy and expecting everything to be done for you. In order for anything in Disney to work YOU must allow your imagination to create the scene. All Disney can do is suggest and from what I can tell that is exactly what they are doing. That is what story telling is all about. Story telling is conveying information and your brain creating the scene based on what you are being told. Still is you though. You have to be able and willing to picture the situation, not analyze the snot out of it.
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There is nothing miraculous about maintaining or even all that difficult scale. It’s actuall rather easy. It seems you don’t even know what you are ranting about, talking about things being too small nor is anyone saying the toys should all be the same size. Themed entertainment is a highly visual medium and crafting a well designed and built environment is Disney’s job, not the guest’s.
 
MisterPenguin

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danlb_2000 said:
There were shown to be small in the movie, he is comparison with Woody.

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By that scale, if the GAM are the size of us humans, any depiction of Woody, Jesse, Rex, Mr. Potato head would have to be 30 to 60 feet tall. Just about every other 'character' whether in a costume or as a figure would be freaking huge.

Conversely, if Woody is around our human size, then the GAM would only be a foot tall.

The land won't be to scale. It can't. If you think that TSL shouldn't have been built because of that, so be it. If you think that TSL should have been built and kept everything to scale, please share your meds with us.
 
Goofyernmost

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OK, and exactly how, at this point, are they failing in this endeavor? Beyond that what would you do, in what is obviously a know what you're talking about rant, do it differently. How would you make things look in perspective from a hundred different angles all at the same time. It is easy to criticize when you are not taking every possibility into consideration. I think they are building it to facilitate that story as best as physically possible. So again, educate me... what would you do differently to facilitate your stance?
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
OK, and exactly how, at this point, are they failing in this endeavor? Beyond that what would you do, in what is obviously a know what you're talking about rant, do it differently. How would you make things look in perspective from a hundred different angles all at the same time. It is easy to criticize when you are not taking every possibility into consideration. I think they are building it to facilitate that story as best as physically possible. So again, educate me... what would you do differently to facilitate your stance?
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You set a scale and build to it. Done. You can use old theater and film tricks like forced perspectives to deal with certain views as desired.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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lazyboy97o said:
You set a scale and build to it. Done. You can use old theater and film tricks like forced perspectives to deal with certain views as desired.
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OK, but, this isn't an enclosed theater that is viewed from just one perspective. It is multiple unlimited perspectives. How do you make it work from all those directions simultaneously when instead of 2 dimensional we are talking about real life objects not celluloid?
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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wdwgreek said:
Oooo single green army man. I feel like they are just throwing random things places and calling it theming at this point. Also does his scale seem off to anyone else? Shouldn't he be slightly larger. the army men weren't that much smaller then slinky or jessie.
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Oh, I get it. It's like a child (one without OCD) would do with multiple toys randomly leaving them wherever they used them last. Talk about straying from realistic themes. The sizes of the objects used might be to give you that forced perspective, especially on a coaster that they are further away or closer to you. Real artistry takes all angles into consideration.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
OK, but, this isn't an enclosed theater that is viewed from just one perspective. It is multiple unlimited perspectives. How do you make it work from all those directions simultaneously when instead of 2 dimensional we are talking about real life objects not celluloid?
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Nothing is visible from unlimited perspectives. The designers shape the space and control the location of people in the space. Forced perspective is a trick that follows known concepts and has already been successfully utilized in three dimensional space, Including by Disney.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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lazyboy97o said:
Nothing is visible from unlimited perspectives. The designers shape the space and control the location of people in the space. Forced perspective is a trick that follows known concepts and has already been successfully utilized in three dimensional space, Including by Disney.
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Who's arguing that point? Of course Disney has used that successfully in a controlled perspective situation. Whether or not you agree, this is visible from every angle under the sun, especially when one is riding the ride. It is not a tunnel vision perspective that can hide things and emphasize others. I was remarking about what you referred to earlier related to movie making. When watching a movie we have no choice but to see it from the perspective that they want us to see it. Even true in dark rides. One of the reasons that they don't want you taking flash pictures along the way. However, you still haven't told me how you would do it so that in this 360 degree situation, scale can apply completely. There will always be something that seems out of scale because you are to close or to far away or on the wrong side.

On top of all that the damn place isn't even done yet, but, some seem to already have the magical insight to know exactly how it will come across when all the elements are in place. That is actually what would be "ranting with no knowledge".
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
Who's arguing that point? Of course Disney has used that successfully in a controlled perspective situation. Whether or not you agree, this is visible from every angle under the sun, especially when one is riding the ride. It is not a tunnel vision perspective that can hide things and emphasize others. I was remarking about what you referred to earlier related to movie making. When watching a movie we have no choice but to see it from the perspective that they want us to see it. Even true in dark rides. One of the reasons that they don't want you taking flash pictures along the way. However, you still haven't told me how you would do it so that in this 360 degree situation, scale can apply completely. There will always be something that seems out of scale because you are to close or to far away or on the wrong side.

On top of all that the damn place isn't even done yet, but, some seem to already have the magical insight to know exactly how it will come across when all the elements are in place. That is actually what would be "ranting with no knowledge".
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This is not a 360 degree situation either. Guests can only be in certain places and a roller coaster has a very fixed path of travel. Even then, forced perspective can work from multiple angles. The way it is done is to study the angles and understand what is seen, to shape spaces and views, to design the experience. It’s not special knowledge.

There are already three other Toy Story lands with the same design intent and aesthetic. It’s not hard to figure out how this Land is supposed to look.
 

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