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Variable

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please reread my post, I added some stuff in the time you were writing. Restraints are designed for certain heights, which those restraints can only go on certain vehicles, and they have to be safe. It's not as simple as that, but that is the bulk of it.

Restraints aren't designed specifically and exclusively for certain heights. Every type of restraint used to today could be scaled to the height of the expected rider* The type of restraint used also evokes mental states, see Alien Encounter.

*rider that is old enough to support their own body weight and developmentally mature enough so as not to require a bio unit to accompany them (was this disclaimer really necessary? probably the way things go around here)
 

Variable

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Of course it's not all the same. You know I know that so why are we having this discussion? I don't disagree with you. I am just saying that an attraction has a restraint that has a height requirement that goes along with it, but it cannot work for everything. Seatbelts work on the Tower of Terror, it could have a 44 inch height requirement, but clearly at some point they decided (in whichever way they do it) 40 inches was sufficient, even though attractions that are far less thrilling have even higher height requirements. Please don't come back saying I missed something, or no rides are given random restraints like you already have, because of course that is not what I meant, I shouldn't have to go into more details, this is not worth an argument over, I simply shared my knowledge and then you kind of took offense.

You need to get off this 'thrilling" measurement you keep using.
 

Daveeeeed

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You shared knowledge that is very incomplete and I have been trying to explain to why it was lacking and is contradictory. You're at the right conclusion, safety, but completed messed up as to how the outcome is achieved. You're assigning far too much value to the end condition (the final restraint used) and you're own reaction while ignoring the how and why of the situations. You keep talking about "less thrilling" rides with higher requirements while repeatedly rebuffing the reasons why such situations occur because they do not conform to your base of limited assumptions that consider only the final product.

Since you've mentioned in several times, Primeval Whirl is not some weird outlier. The Wild Mouse is an old, very popular type of ride made by several manufacturers. They all tend to have seemingly high restrictions. This is not because none of the many manufacturers are unable to design a restraint that can hold a smaller person. You may see such rides as mildly thrilling but a rider does not entirely perceive the actual impact of the various forces acting on your body.
They could of had individual lap bars but they don't. Alien Enclunter has the bars to keep you stationary etc. You clearly do not get what I am saying, of course a seatbelt won't work for rock n' Rollercoaster. All I am saying is that multiple restraints (that have minimum heights associated with them) can be used for different attractions. The height limit can be increased further, but that's if the restraint won't work for a particular adventure, or if they feel it is not appropriate for a guest of that height. It's not that simple I know, but that is basically what happens. It is not always associated with thrill level, but many times it is. Do you think Soarin' is as thrilling as Tot? Both use Seatbelts, and both have a 40 inch height requirement, but it is for the safety. You can't have a 30 inch kid ride Soarin' as the restraint won't be secure enough, and in a crazy scenario could slip out. And on Tot you could fly up if the seatbelt doesn't fit properly. What an attraction demands is what gets a certain restraint and height requirement associated with it not thrill. It is the actual attraction that decides that, how much it moves etc. Indy has a 44 inch requirement because it is rougher than Dinosaur which has a 40. You can say for a person it is more thrilling, but it was determined not by that but at what height will the restraint will keep you safe. All restraints don't work for every ride, and the height requirement can vary even with the same restraint but in general it is just like sitting in a car's normal chair than riding in a carseat. The seatbelt was designed for a certain height to keep people safe. A lap bar is not necessary in a car, but instead a seatbelt is sufficient, and probably is even safe. They're catered to the specific ride, it is far more than that I know, but that is generally how it works, stop denying it.
 
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Daveeeeed

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Restraints aren't designed specifically and exclusively for certain heights. Every type of restraint used to today could be scaled to the height of the expected rider* The type of restraint used also evokes mental states, see Alien Encounter.

*rider that is old enough to support their own body weight and developmentally mature enough so as not to require a bio unit to accompany them (was this disclaimer really necessary? probably the way things go around here)
Oh my goodness. Of course that is the case, but it is not safe for a 38 inch kid to ride space mountain even though the kid can ride Seven Dwarf's Mine Train. The restraint is not appropriate on space mountain for a 38 inch kid because it would not be secure enough, it would toss the kid around. It would have to be redesigned to allow a kid of that height to ride. It isn't because SM is more thrilling it is simply because of that, and how the attraction itself was designed. A seat belt would not work for that attraction, but a lap bar does, which can be scaled down, but is not always appropriate based on what the ride does, it's movements etc. Again it has very little to do with the thrill, but technically if they want to they could design a restraint that is 40 inches for rock n' rollercoaster, but it would be unsafe as in the case of an emergency the safety brake In some areas would be too rough on a little kid. I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong, but it is much more than just what's appropriate for a kid, it has more to do with the actual track, restraint appropriate for the ride, the height that is safe for the restraint and the ride that was chosen etc.
 
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Variable

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Oh my goodness. Of course that is the case, but it is not safe for a 38 inch kid to ride space mountain even though the kid can ride Seven Dwarf's Mine Train. The restraint is not appropriate on space mountain for a 38 inch kid because it would not be secure enough, it would toss the kid around. It would have to be redesigned to allow a kid of that height to ride. It isn't because SM is more thrilling it is simply because of that, and how the attraction itself was designed. A seat belt would not work for that attraction, but a lap bar does, which can be scaled down, but is not always appropriate based on what the ride does, it's movements etc. Again it has very little to do with the thrill, but technically if they want to they could design a restraint that is 40 inches for rock n' rollercoaster, but it would be unsafe as in the case of an emergency the safety brake In some areas would be too rough on a little kid. I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong, but it is much more than just what's appropriate for a kid, it has more to do with the actual track, restraint appropriate for the ride, the height that is safe for the restraint and the ride that was chosen etc.


Yeah man, whatever. Its like you say the paper is white, a couple of us say no its gray, and you say "of course its gray!" and then lecture us about why its gray, kind of repeating what we've just told you, and it all comes across like WE were the ones who said it was white in the first place, not you!

Well,Thrill away to your hearts content!
 

Daveeeeed

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Yeah man, whatever. Its like you say the paper is white, a couple of us say no its gray, and you say "of course its gray!" and then lecture us about why its gray, kind of repeating what we've just told you, and it all comes across like WE were the ones who said it was white in the first place, not you!

Well,Thrill away to your hearts content!
What do you mean thrill? I don't get what you're saying. I'm not trying to argue. I've told you what I know yet you keep saying thrill and crap like that. You two are right about somethings, but then deny somethings, so I am agreeing with you on somethings. It's not a matter of white and gray. Stop trying to argue for the sake of it.
 

Jones14

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So.... in an attempt to pull the thread an inch back in the direction of the topic: do we have any idea what the height requirement for the two rides will be? I'm assuming the Aliens ride will have a 32" requirement, as that's what it's sister ride in California Adventure has, and I would think based off of Seven Dwarfs that Slinky would sit at 38".

Capacity-wise, what's the expectation for Slinky? Again, I'd assume that Aliens will sit around the (abysmal) capacity of Mater's.
 

ToTBellHop

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So.... in an attempt to pull the thread an inch back in the direction of the topic: do we have any idea what the height requirement for the two rides will be? I'm assuming the Aliens ride will have a 32" requirement, as that's what it's sister ride in California Adventure has, and I would think based off of Seven Dwarfs that Slinky would sit at 38".

Capacity-wise, what's the expectation for Slinky? Again, I'd assume that Aliens will sit around the (abysmal) capacity of Mater's.
38 or 40 for Slink. Surely low (if there is one) for aliens.

I would imagine Slink's capacity will be similar to 7DMT. Trains are about the same size depending on the art.
 

lazyboy97o

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What an attraction demands is what gets a certain restraint and height requirement associated with it not thrill. It is the actual attraction that decides that, how much it moves etc. Indy has a 44 inch requirement because it is rougher than Dinosaur which has a 40. You can say for a person it is more thrilling, but it was determined not by that but at what height will the restraint will keep you safe. All restraints don't work for every ride, and the height requirement can vary even with the same restraint but in general it is just like sitting in a car's normal chair than riding in a carseat. The seatbelt was designed for a certain height to keep people safe. A lap bar is not necessary in a car, but instead a seatbelt is sufficient, and probably is even safe. They're catered to the specific ride, it is far more than that I know, but that is generally how it works, stop denying it.
You are the only person who keeps talking about thrill. "How much [an attraction] moves etc." is its intensity. That is where you are right. You completely veer off course into contradiction by your repeated refusal to consider why a "[restraint] is designed for a certain height." That why is the far more than you know but you keep adamantly insisting those reasons cannot be true. The end result is that you keep putting the cart before the horse.
 

Crazydisneyfanluke

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So.... in an attempt to pull the thread an inch back in the direction of the topic: do we have any idea what the height requirement for the two rides will be? I'm assuming the Aliens ride will have a 32" requirement, as that's what it's sister ride in California Adventure has, and I would think based off of Seven Dwarfs that Slinky would sit at 38".

Capacity-wise, what's the expectation for Slinky? Again, I'd assume that Aliens will sit around the (abysmal) capacity of Mater's.
The aliens is supposed to be the same ride system as maters, which has a height requirement of 32 inches.
https://disneyland.disney.go.com/attractions/disney-california-adventure/maters-junkyard-jamboree/

To me, they are not adding any "family" rides. (no height requirements)
 

DHSCM

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A buddy of mine sent me this. You can see area cleared for TSL and the roof of LMA being demoed
 

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Steel City Magic

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Lucasfilm Lot, Pixar Place, Muppets Courtyard, Toontown, and "Superhero Studios" because they can't use "Marvel." That sounds like a great park.
I too had hoped for this exact thing, then had my hopes dashed when they announced TSL. Severely missed opportunities in this park. They even could have kept a studios theme this way (the reason that I adore this park) and kept the single IP lands at bay.
 

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