Tomorrowland new entrance

[Professortango1]

You’re wrong about Tron. It’s an advance that has totally new ride profile and vehicles. It doesn’t come close to our Space Mountain which is decades old. Rocket Rods already have a counterpart with Radiator Springs Racers. It doesn’t make sense to revive it on People Mover tracks. Do you think they will rebuilt the tracks for Rocket Rods II? That’s a fantasy. Disney isn’t going to blow the budget for an already failed attraction and market it based on that. Okay, maybe Sequel Trilogy Galaxy’s Edge.

Tron is a success!!! No one will say it’s a stupid decisIon except for you.

The ride experience is similar to Space Mountain on a coaster which is similar to Pony Express. I liked Rockin Roller Coaster, but I still wouldn't want it built right next to Space Mountain as the ride experiences are too similar. I'm not fighting for Rocket Rods II, that's silly, I'm just saying Six Flags over Tron isn't a step forward for Disney and would be a poor choice for Disneyland's Tomorrowland. And seeing that my post has some likes, I'm certain that others to would find that a stupid "decislon."

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Tron's show building is not only large, but tall. I'm not sure where in Disneyland they could put it without it dominating the park's skyline.

 

[DanielBB8]

The ride experience is similar to Space Mountain on a coaster which is similar to Pony Express. I liked Rockin Roller Coaster, but I still wouldn't want it built right next to Space Mountain as the ride experiences are too similar. I'm not fighting for Rocket Rods II, that's silly, I'm just saying Six Flags over Tron isn't a step forward for Disney and would be a poor choice for Disneyland's Tomorrowland. And seeing that my post has some likes, I'm certain that others to would find that a stupid "decislon."

I’m still not understanding how Rocket Rods is “unique” especially since it’s based on Test Track vehicles and it’s on People Mover tracks that many have been on. So if we are to say what should go there that’s truly unique, it hasn’t been invented yet. Then when it is cloned, it means it’s similar to itself and we can’t have it anymore. As for what’s appropriate for Tomorrowland, I still think it’s Tron. This ride looks and rides like a futuristic ride. Pony Express doesn’t have any special effects and the vehicle is nothing to admire. This is like comparing a Civic to a Ferrari as if the comparison is valid.

 

[DanielBB8]

Tron's show building is not only large, but tall. I'm not sure where in Disneyland they could put it without it dominating the park's skyline.

Submarines is below grade. Build into the lagoon, maybe deeper. Then, the building will be much lower than the Matterhorn.

 

[Professortango1]

I’m still not understanding how Rocket Rods is “unique” especially since it’s based on Test Track vehicles and it’s on People Mover tracks that many have been on. So if we are to say what should go there that’s truly unique, it hasn’t been invented yet. Then when it is cloned, it means it similar to itself and we can’t have it anymore. As for what’s appropriate for Tomorrowland, I still think it’s Tron. This ride looks and rides like a futuristic ride. Pony Express doesn’t have any special effects and the vehicle is nothing to admire. This is like comparing a Civic to a Ferrari as if the comparison is valid.

We had never seen an attraction like Rocket Rods in California before. It was something brand new. Sure, it re-used old tracks, but it turned it into a thrill ride that wasn't a coaster. These streamlined dragsters which would pop a wheelie were unique and different. Sure, Test Track existed across the country, but this was zipping in and out of buildings rather than a darkride with an open air launch area.

Average guests don't really care about vehicle design. They care about sensation. And the sensation of Tron is like riding Pony Express through Space Mountain. A motorcycle style short coaster through a dark/cold show building with projection effects. There's a reason Big Thunder isn't right next to the Matterhorn. Different attractions with different ride vehicles and theming, but to your average guest, both are terrain coasters through a naturalistic rocky mountain environment.

And both a Civic and a Ferrari are cars. They are inherently similar. So is the rider experience. Both have seats that transport me to and from places at regular speed limits. Both have radios and A/C. Sure, one is nicer and has more horsepower, but in the end, they are pretty damn similar.

And I still don't understand a movie franchise which has had both films set in the modern day is good fit for Tomorrowland. Nor do I understand the desire to have Tomorrowland look like the entrance plaza to Knotts Berry Farm with an unthemed exposed coaster on struts screaming overhead.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

It seems unlikely they will do the Tron ride at Disneyland anyway due to the enormous cost required to build it.

 

[DanielBB8]

We had never seen an attraction like Test Track in California before. It was something brand new. Sure, it re-used old tracks, but it turned it into a thrill ride that wasn't a coaster. These streamlined dragsters which would pop a wheelie were unique and different. Sure, Test Track existed across the country, but this was zipping in and out of buildings rather than a darkride with an open air launch area.

Average guests don't really care about vehicle design. They care about sensation. And the sensation of Tron is like riding Pony Express through Space Mountain. A motorcycle style short coaster through a dark/cold show building with projection effects. There's a reason Big Thunder isn't right next to the Matterhorn. Different attractions with different ride vehicles and theming, but to your average guest, both are terrain coasters through a naturalistic rocky mountain environment.

And both a Civic and a Ferrari are cars. They are inherently similar. So is the rider experience. Both have seats that transport me to and from places at regular speed limits. Both have radios and A/C. Sure, one is nicer and has more horsepower, but in the end, they are pretty damn similar.

And I still don't understand a movie franchise which has had both films set in the modern day is good fit for Tomorrowland. Nor do I understand the desire to have Tomorrowland look like the entrance plaza to Knotts Berry Farm with an unthemed exposed coaster on struts screaming overhead.

You described the unique experience of Tron that was even better than Pony Express
and Space Mountain, yet somehow it isn’t good enough for you and it becomes a stupid decision.

New roller coaster vehicles are currently presented at IAAPA, but you discount it despite how advances in vehicle design provides new attraction experiences.

If you can’t appreciate a Ferrari, then you can head the other direction. Seems like Tron won’t be the stupid decision that others will make since many will want to visit it especially with the new retro vibe at Tomorrowland entrance. It’ll definitely do much better than Millennium Falcon Smugglers Run.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Let's not start using Falcon as something to compare an attraction too. If that's the barrier of entry, just about every ride would be considered good.

 

[Professortango1]

You described the unique experience of Tron that was even better than Pony Express
and Space Mountain, yet somehow it isn’t good enough for you and it becomes a stupid decision.

New roller coaster vehicles are currently presented at IAAPA, but you discount it despite how advances in vehicle design provides new attraction experiences.

If you can’t appreciate a Ferrari, then you can head the other direction. Seems like Tron won’t be the stupid decision other make many want to visit it especially with the new retro vibe at Tomorrowland entrance. It’ll definitely do much better than Millennium Falcon Smugglers Run.

Tron doesn't work next to Space Mountain as they are very similar experiences. Tron doesn't work in Tomorrowland as it is set today (actually yesterday now). Tron doesn't work in Disneyland because it is too big for Disneyland's scale and the large unthemed coaster track flies in the face of Disney standards. Sure, might be more thrilling than Space Mountain and a better ride experience. That doesn't mean it should be plopped down right next to it.

IAAPA is an industry-based show. Average guests do not go or care about IAAPA nor advancements in design. I'm not saying it isn't important, but to your average guests, Pony Express and Tron are the same vehicles with a different shell over it.

I never said I can't appreciate a Ferrari, but let's not pretend its just a another brand of car. Driving in a Ferrari and a Civic are the same basic experience. To pretend otherwise is asinine.

And yes, Tron is more thrilling than Smuggler's Run. I don't know why you would pull Smuggler's Run as counterpoint considering the ride has not been a huge success. That's like saying Mickey's Runaway Railway will be better than Superstar Limo. Great? But at least Smuggler's Run doesn't have a negative impact on the aesthetics of the park. It doesn't overpower the land/park nor does it introduce ugly unthemed elements similar to Knotts and Six Flags. It also fits the land its placed in.

So, sure, if you're arguing that Tron would be a fun coaster and popular for its thrills, sure. I can give you that. Its a little too short for me, but I still agree it is a fun experience. But one of the reasons I like Disney is their attention to detail rather than plopping down ugly looking thrill rides where they don't fit. If you're a fan of thrills over theme and aesthetics, I might suggest Magic Mountain. It has a ton of rides more thrilling than Space Mountain. It also have some minimal themeing elements and even a few rides with special effects and "stories." It prioritized thrill over theme, which seems to be your overall argument.

Me? I like the Disney approach to their parks. It means we'll never get a Goliath or Tatsu, but it also means that our parks will satisfy guests in more artistic ways. Maybe Disney can partner with Six Flags and build Tron there.

 

[DanielBB8]

Tron doesn't work next to Space Mountain as they are very similar experiences. Tron doesn't work in Tomorrowland as it is set today (actually yesterday now). Tron doesn't work in Disneyland because it is too big for Disneyland's scale and the large unthemed coaster track flies in the face of Disney standards. Sure, might be more thrilling than Space Mountain and a better ride experience. That doesn't mean it should be plopped down right next to it.

IAAPA is an industry-based show. Average guests do not go or care about IAAPA nor advancements in design. I'm not saying it isn't important, but to your average guests, Pony Express and Tron are the same vehicles with a different shell over it.

I never said I can't appreciate a Ferrari, but let's not pretend its just a another brand of car. Driving in a Ferrari and a Civic are the same basic experience. To pretend otherwise is asinine.

And yes, Tron is more thrilling than Smuggler's Run. I don't know why you would pull Smuggler's Run as counterpoint considering the ride has not been a huge success. That's like saying Mickey's Runaway Railway will be better than Superstar Limo. Great? But at least Smuggler's Run doesn't have a negative impact on the aesthetics of the park. It doesn't overpower the land/park nor does it introduce ugly unthemed elements similar to Knotts and Six Flags. It also fits the land its placed in.

So, sure, if you're arguing that Tron would be a fun coaster and popular for its thrills, sure. I can give you that. Its a little too short for me, but I still agree it is a fun experience. But one of the reasons I like Disney is their attention to detail rather than plopping down ugly looking thrill rides where they don't fit. If you're a fan of thrills over theme and aesthetics, I might suggest Magic Mountain. It has a ton of rides more thrilling than Space Mountain. It also have some minimal themeing elements and even a few rides with special effects and "stories." It prioritized thrill over theme, which seems to be your overall argument.

Me? I like the Disney approach to their parks. It means we'll never get a Goliath or Tatsu, but it also means that our parks will satisfy guests in more artistic ways. Maybe Disney can partner with Six Flags and build Tron there.

This argument against Tron is using the same arguments for Rocket Rods. Vehicle similarity and non-theming is bad for Tron, but good for Rocket Rods especially since Rocket Rods is all about the vehicle and nothing else going for it AT ALL. Rocket Rods had unique vehicles. That’s it!!! No theming. Boring. Low capacity. Broke down and slowed down. Exact same route as People Mover. Saying nobody cares about vehicles while gushing about Rocket Rods popping a wheelie is really not noticing your own contradiction.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

Rocket Rods had movement throughout the land, a thrill ride with a small overall footprint, and was something that felt unique. Tron is a giant boxy show building with an exposed roller coaster track akin to Six Flags or Knotts. The ride in contained and is based upon a franchise set in the modern day and feels very similar to other nearby coasters (Space Mountain, Pony Express). Bringing the Tron coaster to DL would be another stupid decision in the recent history of stupid decisions.

Excuse me? No. Rocket Rods was not thrilling on any level.

 

[Professortango1]

This argument against Tron is using the same arguments for Rocket Rods. Vehicle similarity and non-theming is bad for Tron, but good for Rocket Rods especially since Rocket Rods is all about the vehicle and nothing else going for it AT ALL. Rocket Rods had unique vehicles. That’s it!!! No theming. Boring. Low capacity. Broke down and slowed down. Exact same route as People Mover. Saying nobody cares about vehicles while gushing about Rocket Rods popping a wheelie is really not noticing your own contradiction.

Not a contradiction. The ride being sleek to pop in and out of tight spaces and popping a wheelie all contributed to rider experience. I didn't care that it was a slot car system, I just knew this was something I hadn't experienced before and it was thrilling.
And nobody is going to argue that Rocket Rods were well executed. They weren't. But they fit the land and the park. They helped make the land seem like a living place and not a theme park. The ride was unique and different from the rides around it as well as rides at other parks in Southern California. Rocket Rods with the complete budget would still be hit ride that would benefit the park. I don't hold out any hope for that happening now as Disney wants everything IP based and safety requirements have changed, but I know I'd still rather have Rocket Rods 2.0 than Six Flags over Tron.

 

[Professortango1]

Excuse me? No. Rocket Rods was not thrilling on any level.

Disney level of thrilling. Just like the Haunted Mansion had Disney level of scary. As a 7th grader, I loved the Rocket Rods and rode them several times each visit. Being in that front seat when zipping around on the second story was a thrill for me. Give it banked turns and the original ideas for effects/scenes and you have a great and unique Disney thrill ride for all ages. With terrible capacity. But I'd ride that over Matterhorn any day of the week.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

Disney level of thrilling. Just like the Haunted Mansion had Disney level of scary. As a 7th grader, I loved the Rocket Rods and rode them several times each visit. Being in that front seat when zipping around on the second story was a thrill for me. Give it banked turns and the original ideas for effects/scenes and you have a great and unique Disney thrill ride for all ages. With terrible capacity. But I'd ride that over Matterhorn any day of the week.

No you did not "zip around" the second you gained any speed it slooooowed down so it could turn a corner. no one zipped on that horrible ride. I want my 2 hours back for waiting in that line.

 

[DanielBB8]

Not a contradiction. The ride being sleek to pop in and out of tight spaces and popping a wheelie all contributed to rider experience. I didn't care that it was a slot car system, I just knew this was something I hadn't experienced before and it was thrilling.
And nobody is going to argue that Rocket Rods were well executed. They weren't. But they fit the land and the park. They helped make the land seem like a living place and not a theme park. The ride was unique and different from the rides around it as well as rides at other parks in Southern California. Rocket Rods with the complete budget would still be hit ride that would benefit the park. I don't hold out any hope for that happening now as Disney wants everything IP based and safety requirements have changed, but I know I'd still rather have Rocket Rods 2.0 than Six Flags over Tron.

Comparing Rocket Rods to a slot car system didn’t stop you either. Wow.

 

[mickEblu]

Remind me again why we can’t have the Troncket Rods? Rocket Rods ride system with Tron cycles on brand new tracks?

 

[SuddenStorm]

The rails are now completely up...

 

[D.Silentu]

Not meant critically, but it is funny to see a vintage lamp post right next to modern outdoor lighting. I expect they are concerned about someone running into the fence.

 

[Professortango1]

Comparing Rocket Rods to a slot car system didn’t stop you either. Wow.

 

[Phroobar]

The rails are now completely up...

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I like the sunbeams from heaven. I can hear a choir of angels singing. Please bless this temporary grass field. May the grace of the Mouse be with everyone trying to get around it.