Tipping?

[eliza61nyc]

It is not protocol. In no way shape or form do Mousekeepers make 2.13 an hour. They are not paid a tipping wage. People are more than welcome to tip mousekeeping. But it is part of the room charge just like it is at every other hotel in the US. Its also why you can opt out of mousekeeping cleaning your room everyday at several of the resorts and you get a gift card.

I beg to differ, Yes but of course y ou don't tip if you didn't get mousekeeping. If one doesn't get the service one doesn't tip for it. ???? BUT it most definitely is protocol that if you RECIEVE the service you tip. NO different than waitstaff, hair dressers, taxis or bell hops. Would you tip a bell hop if they did not help you with your luggage? of course not.

I have never ever in my life seen gratuity listed on a hotel bill. I have traveled for business the last 35 years, born and raised in NYC and now live in philly.

You honestly believe that Disney is allowing people to opt out of mousekeeping so they don't have to tip??? If that's true does your room charge go down if you don't get mousekeeping? lol, I stay deluxe, GF is easy 500 anight and all I get is a lousy 30 GC?

It's very easy. Get the service, tip the person who is performing the service. once again the cost of the room has no bearing on the service performed for you.

not sure why this is hard unless you are from Europe where the protocol or customs are different.

I post on fodors and travelocity. I will ask if this is now covered by the room rate. I've never heard of it.

 

[bigrigross]

I beg to differ, Yes but of course y ou don't tip if you didn't get mousekeeping. If one doesn't get the service one doesn't tip for it. ???? BUT it most definitely is protocol that if you RECIEVE the service you tip. NO different than waitstaff, hair dressers, taxis or bell hops. Would you tip a bell hop if they did not help you with your luggage? of course not.

It's very easy. Get the service, tip the person who is performing the service. once again the cost of the room has no bearing on the service performed for you.

not sure why this is hard unless you are from Europe where the protocol or customs are different.

I never tip any type of housekeeping staff on a regular basis at any hotel. I have tipped for someone going out of their way or if I made a horrible mess accidentally in the room, I will leave a 10 or 20 depending on the mess. But if they are just doing their normal cleaning of the room, no tip. Saying its protocol is putting it in line with food service or valet. I am paying for that room and for it to be kept up everyday. It is to look exactly how I found it the night before and that is the expectation of the hotel and the service they are offering.

And again, my point. They are not covered under the tipping wage. They applied for the job and hours. Consumers should not be expected to pay a employees wage directly. Europe has tipping right.

Your last sentence is exactly what is wrong with this country. Its not hard at all. I am not tipping for a service I already paid for. It is not my problem the employer isn't paying the employee better. I paid my bill and that is the end of that. Its the same reason I dont automatically tip a waiter 18% for service. I tip based on performance, not expectations.


Edit: Also this: "NO different than waitstaff, hair dressers, taxis or bell hops."

Yes their is. In fact their is a huge difference. Many of these professions work off of tips and are covered under the tipping wage. Housekeeping does not.

 

[graphite1326]

Tipping? I do a little about half way around World Showcase.

 

[eliza61nyc]

aaah so it's the salary that denotes whether or not to tip. lol, at 200 bucks for a hair coloring, I assure you my stylist is not making minimum wage. I don't know a hairdresser that does but like I said I live in Philly and NYC not exactly low cost of living cities.

Anyhoo, I did post the question on fodors and trip advisors. It will be interesting the replies. I'll link once I get a few.

 

[bigrigross]

You honestly believe that Disney is allowing people to opt out of mousekeeping so they don't have to tip??? If that's true does your room charge go down if you don't get mousekeeping? lol, I stay deluxe, GF is easy 500 anight and all I get is a lousy 30 GC?

What are you going on about? You do not have to tip period. If you did, it would be a room charge. I seriously do not understand your point at all. You are saying my room cost a night doesn't cover housekeeping and the cleaning of your room? I really do not know how to respond this statement. I seriously dont. I am completely dumbfounded and not even try to figure out your reasoning here. Please, continue tipping housekeeping if you think its mandatory. I am going to pay my room rent and not tip and continue on my way.

 

[jloucks]

What are you going on about? You do not have to tip period. If you did, it would be a room charge. I seriously do not understand your point at all. You are saying my room cost a night doesn't cover housekeeping and the cleaning of your room? I really do not know how to respond this statement. I seriously dont. I am completely dumbfounded and not even try to figure out your reasoning here. Please, continue tipping housekeeping if you think its mandatory. I am going to pay my room rent and not tip and continue on my way.

Well, to be fair, you said you have tipped, and probably will tip, but it is for unusual circumstances.

Tipping for me (except waitstaff which are under a different pay structure) is for two main reasons..

1) I like making people happy
2) I like all the extra good things that happen to me from the people I tip well.

Pretty much that easy. If those reasons do not apply to you, don't tip room cleaners.

 

[bigrigross]

aaah so it's the salary that denotes whether or not to tip. lol, at 200 bucks for a hair coloring, I assure you my stylist is not making minimum wage. I don't know a hairdresser that does but like I said I live in Philly and NYC not exactly low cost of living cities.

Anyhoo, I did post the question on fodors and trip advisors. It will be interesting the replies. I'll link once I get a few.

Oh look here. Someone pays 200 dollars to color their hair. Well that clears all sorts of things up about this conversation. Well I guarantee you that my hairdresser at sportclips is making tip wages only and so are most hairdressers in this country. People who color hair for 200 dollars are not considered employees. They rent the booth and run their booth like a business. Apples and oranges.

 

[eliza61nyc]

What are you going on about? You do not have to tip period. If you did, it would be a room charge. I seriously do not understand your point at all. You are saying my room cost a night doesn't cover housekeeping and the cleaning of your room? I really do not know how to respond this statement. I seriously dont. I am completely dumbfounded and not even try to figure out your reasoning here. Please, continue tipping housekeeping if you think its mandatory. I am going to pay my room rent and not tip and continue on my way.

I did not say it was mandatory. I said it was protocol, I apologize maybe the wrong word. as in a normal custom. that's all. Generally in the service, hospitality and hotel industry if one is provided a service, one tips. that's all.
I tip based on service. if some one performs a service, from the guy that cuts my hair, delivers my cleaning or the women who cleans my house (who once again get's paid a lot more than minimum wage) I tip. Now the women who cleans my house charges me a monthly service, I have her come in twice a month and she gets a tip when I pay the tab and I give her a Christmas gift of one months charge.

 

[bigrigross]

Well, to be fair, you said you have tipped, and probably will tip, but it is for unusual circumstances.

Tipping for me (except waitstaff which are under a different pay structure) is for two main reasons..

1) I like making people happy
2) I like all the extra good things that happen to me from the people I tip well.

Pretty much that easy. If those reasons do not apply to you, don't tip room cleaners.

Exactly this. I have no problem with people tipping housekeeping. But telling people its mandatory is just laughable.

 

[bigrigross]

I did not say it was mandatory. I said it was protocol as in a normal custom. that's all. Generally in the service, hospitality and hotel industry if one is provided a service, one tips. that's all.
I tip based on service. if some one performs a service, from the guy that cuts my hair, delivers my cleaning or the women who cleans my house (who once again get's paid a lot more than minimum wage) I tip. Now the women who cleans my house charges me a monthly service, she gets a tip when I pay the tab and I give her a Christmas gift of one months charge.

You said it was protocol. Protocol means mandatory standard. You can backpedal all you want, but this conversation is freaking hilarious. I honestly cant stop laughing.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Point made



Oh look here. Someone pays 200 dollars to color their hair. Well that clears all sorts of things up about this conversation. Well I guarantee you that my hairdresser at sportclips is making tip wages only and so are most hairdressers in this country. People who color hair for 200 dollars are not considered employees. They rent the booth and run their booth like a business. Apples and oranges.

Check. like I said I live in a major cities. The sportclip (they are hair cuttery's around here) type of places are usually in the malls. usually the stylist there are not there for long, you're right because of the low salary. here in the city most beauticians work in a privately owned shop.

I'm not packpedling at all, I did not say it was mandatory. I thought protocol meant the "correct" procedure of behaviour. like when you meet the Queen. no it's not "mandatory" to curtsie, it's protocol.

tipping is usually not mandatory anywhere unless you have a certain number of folks and then it's usually on the bill. some thing like "parties of 6 or more will have an automatic gratutity added to the bill"

 

[jloucks]

Well, to be fair, you said you have tipped, and probably will tip, but it is for unusual circumstances.

Tipping for me (except waitstaff which are under a different pay structure) is for two main reasons..

1) I like making people happy
2) I like all the extra good things that happen to me from the people I tip well.

Pretty much that easy. If those reasons do not apply to you, don't tip room cleaners.

Correction to #2: Except my Sushi Chef. My sushi rolls are getting a little out of hand. They keep getting bigger and bigger and meatier and meatier. Now I am in a weird cycle where I have to choke down a 3 pound sushi role in fear of offending my chef. First world problems.

 

[jloucks]

You said it was protocol. Protocol means mandatory standard. You can backpedal all you want, but this conversation is freaking hilarious. I honestly cant stop laughing.

I am with you mostly, but protocol and mandatory are not the same thing. Just like polite and mandatory are not the same thing. Or Ideal and mandatory. Or proper and mandatory. etc....

 

[bigrigross]

Check. like I said I live in a major cities. The sportclip (they are hair cuttery's around here) type of places are usually in the malls. usually the stylist there are not there for long, you're right because of the low salary. here in the city most beauticians work in a privately owned shop.

I'm not packpedling at all, I did not say it was mandatory. I thought protocol meant the "correct" procedure of behaviour. like when you meet the Queen. no it's not "mandatory" to curtsie, it's protocol.

tipping is usually not mandatory anywhere unless you have a certain number of folks and then it's usually on the bill. some thing like "parties of 6 or more will have an automatic gratutity added to the bill".

That point made was a screwup with the multi quote. You havent made any points here and in fact fail to understand the difference between an employee and a someone who runs their own business and just rents the booth.

 

[bigrigross]

I am with you mostly, but protocol and mandatory are not the same thing. Just like polite and mandatory are not the same thing. Or Ideal and mandatory. Or proper and mandatory. etc....

If you are following protocol, you are following a set of predefined procedures that are mandated by whoever setup those protocols. Its why they are called protocols. You cant decide to not follow them.

 

[jloucks]

If you are following protocol, you are following a set of predefined procedures that are mandated by whoever setup those protocols. Its why they are called protocols. You cant decide to not follow them.

Just look at the synonyms... Etiquette, formalities, customs, conventions, treatments, rituals.

I am just in debate mode tho, stringing this out more than needed because it is interesting. Truth is, there are multiple meanings for the word and everybody is right depending on what meaning you go for.

 

[bigrigross]

Just look at the synonyms... Etiquette, formalities, customs, conventions, treatments, rituals.

I am just in debate mode tho, stringing this out more than needed because it is interesting. Truth is, there are multiple meanings for the word and everybody is right depending on what meaning you go for.

The definition of protocol:

the official procedure or system of rules governing affairs of state or diplomatic occasions.

"protocol forbids the prince from making any public statement in his defense"

Where I work, not following protocol will get you fired. It is mandatory because it involves patients lives.


Edit: And yes, this conversation is awesome. I have honestly never seen this line of thinking before. Its even better than the people who say we should tip because employees arent paid enough.

 

[jimbo mack]

We tip if there is an ‘above & beyond service’, otherwise no. Being from UK I find the culture of tipping everyone odd, unless the person has ‘earned it’. If people carry our bags, especially if they are heavy, then we do tip for that.

One thing I can’t stand at restaurants is when ‘servers’ circle on the bill the tip they expect to receive. That’s an automatic no tip from me! Cheeky so and so’s! And we never tip taxi drivers as they are a rip off to start with.

Us stingy Brits abroad...

 

[bigrigross]

We tip if there is an ‘above & beyond service’, otherwise no. Being from UK I find the culture of tipping everyone odd, unless the person has ‘earned it’. If people carry our bags, especially if they are heavy, then we do tip for that.

One thing I can’t stand at restaurants is when ‘servers’ circle on the bill the tip they expect to receive. That’s an automatic no tip from me! Cheeky so and so’s! And we never tip taxi drivers as they are a rip off to start with.

Us stingy Brits abroad...

Things are coming around in America as well. Tipping has been used to long to lower the cost for the employer. I tip on service provided, not expectation. I have had bad waiters and they get nothing and freak out. If you suck, you arent getting a tip period.

Though, I have had really awesome servers who go well beyond their roles and I have given well past 20%. Example being our waiter at Tiffins. My wife didnt like the appetizer he suggested to her and got her a different one. Our drinks were always filled and the guy just made the evening, i dare say it, magical. Of course this waitress at the brown derby, I had to ask other waiters to get me drink, food orders were wrong, etc. She received nothing.

Tipping in the US has just become an expectation instead of something earned. It doesn't help you have people from above who tries to make other people who tip on performance for everything look like the bad guy instead of the employer who doesn't want to pay their employees better. Priorities are messed up in this day and age.

 

[JoeT63]

I pretty much do exactly this. It's usually $20 the first morning and then I try to leave $5 every day. Some mousekeepers will make towel animals or something. That always gets a bonus tip from me. Sometimes I have skipped a few days, but then I'll leave another $20. On a 10-day trip I usually end up leaving mousekeeping $50-$60 tips. It's a thankless job and they have to clean up after people. I'm sure they deal with a ton of things that are just gross or not fun.

I also usually write a handwritten note saying "Thank you Mousekeeping!" with a smiling Mickey Mouse with the cash on top of it. This lets them know it was intended for them and that their work is appreciated.

Great catch with the personalized handwritten note. We ALWAYS do that too, both to be cheerful and to make sure they know the money's for them.