Tipping is this fair ?

[SDisney90]

Becoming? It passed ridiculous in the first paragraph of the first post.

Touche my friend touche.

 

[xdan0920]

Eh, in many places on this side of the pond a $25 tip is considered generous, even for a $350 meal.

You're not American?!?!?

Unfollowed!

Thanks your so helpful !

In the spirit of helpfulness, it's not your, it's you're.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

You're not American?!?!?

Unfollowed!

And to think I'm currently working hard on making a half-American kid!

 

[flynnibus]

If you ever have unsatifactory service at WDW, speak up right away! Ask to speak to a manager and give everyone the chance to make it right. A penny does not tell a server they did a bad job...it says that you are a dirt bag period. There is never a reason why a server should PAY to serve YOU and that's excatly what happens when you chose to leave no tip or not tip at least the minimum amount based on the sale. Servers pay the sales tax and tip out 3% of the sale.

Personally I wish that grat was included in every check and that way no one forgets to leave one and no one can complain about the amount left

Servers dony pay the tax... That is fixed and dont pay tip outs on what they didnt collect. Tip out should be on tips collected, not receipts. Otherwise i'd be reporting my employer

 

[mom2of2]

Servers dony pay the tax... That is fixed and dont pay tip outs on what they didnt collect. Tip out should be on tips collected, not receipts. Otherwise i'd be reporting my employer[/QUOTE

really? and what WDW restaurant do you work at?

 

[flynnibus]

really? and what WDW restaurant do you work at?

Its laws not disney policy. Someone leaving no tip still paid their sale tax. The two have nothing to do with one another.

Tip pools by definition are splits of tips... Not expected tips.

Sounds like there may be policies you are misinterpreting

 

[englanddg]

Sales tax is not paid for out of tips, and never was.

Federal and State Income Tax Withholding and FICA is collected as part of the tip out. It's federal tax law.

 

[xdan0920]

And to think I'm currently working hard on making a half-American kid!

So. many. jokes.

 

[mom2of2]

it's cost a server 3% of the sale for every table that doesn't tip period end.of.story

 

[englanddg]

it's cost a server 3% of the sale for every table that doesn't tip period end.of.story

You are incorrect, or at least mistaken as to why that is being withheld in tip out.

In addition, tipped wage employees are required to be paid minimum wage or higher by the employer AFTER tips. Meaning, if the a tipped wage employee doesn't make at least minimum wage in a pay period, the employer is required to make up the difference...by law.

Hence tip reporting is both for employer compliance with minimum wage laws, but also for tax withholding.

Now, since employees rarely report their cash tips appropriately, the "finger on the nose" overlook by regulators is that employers will make certain income "assumptions" for withholding and wage purposes based on receipts. This isn't the fault of the employer, nor the law, frankly...it's because a tipped wage employee is just as likely to pocket cash tips and under (or fail to) report them accurately to the employer for taxation and wage regulation purposes...because, most of them have no idea what and why they are required to report.

As we move more credit based, this is becoming less of an issue, as the POS system can handle all this tracking for the employer and the employee is not given a chance to mis-report.

 

[Mouse_Trap]

If I was traveling to a foreign country I would familiarize myself with the customs and expectations of where I was going. I wouldn't expect my destination to change according to what I feel should be reasonable.

I wouldn't quite agree, if you use the word tip or gratuity then the very definition of the word means that you don't expect that it's to pay that persons wage. If you are expected to pay extra on top of your cheque to cover labor costs, then this should be made clear. I do detest letting employers off from paying a decent wage by expecting their customers to make up the wages.

Whenever I see tip cards, they always mention 'rewarding excellent service' etc, I'm yet to see one that says anything about ensuring the staff get to earn their basic wage because the restaurant plays them jack all.

Personally I follow 15-20% for excellent service, around 10% for average and 5% or less for poor service.
If a server depends so much on the tip to earn an living income, then surely they need to ensure they provide top service to all their customers.

If a place decides to put a service charge on, then unless there truly has been exceptional service then there's nothing going on top.

The one that really has surprised me here, is people saying the tip the barman 15-20% and even 10% to the server at a buffet. I would go the $1 a drink at the bar (depending on what it is, opening a bottle of beer is probably not going to get that, unless the barman is very attentive and pleasant). Buffet, eek don't go to many off them so I can't recall what I would do there....maybe 5-10% depending on what service they provided.

 

[DManRightHere]

15-20% depending on service and I do have a highlight of tipping right around 15% if it's a regular buffet.

If you can afford expensive wine and signature meals you can afford to tip appropriately 15-20%. The best CM's work in signature for a reason.

 

[Hakunamatata]

I tipped our wait person somewhere in the neighborhood of 40% today at Texas Roadhouse because she was excellent, attentive, pleasant, and I never got to a half full glass of soda before she dropped off another.

 

[englanddg]

I tipped our wait person somewhere in the neighborhood of 40% today at Texas Roadhouse because she was excellent, attentive, pleasant, and I never got to a half full glass of soda before she dropped off another.

The "soda test" is one of the signs of excellent service (and excellent management) imho. Serving isn't about doing everything that's asked of you, it's about anticipating what the guest wants and needs before even they realize it.

 

[Hakunamatata]

The "soda test" is one of the signs of excellent service (and excellent management) imho. Serving isn't about doing everything that's asked of you, it's about anticipating what the guest wants and needs before even they realize it.

I also failed to mention she noticed that the hostess that seated us brought a basket of three rolls for a table of four.

 

[HRHPrincessAriel]

I also failed to mention she noticed that the hostess that seated us brought a basket of three rolls for a table of four.

We would cage fight in our family over those if that happened to us. I love their rolls.

 

[flynnibus]

it's cost a server 3% of the sale for every table that doesn't tip period end.of.story

Probably because they are forcing you to 'tip out' even though its not a tip pooling arrangement. Given the automation at a almost all credit setting like disney its real easy for them to bully staff in these kinds of arrangements and they arent covered the same as sharing tips. If you could only have a union....

 

[englanddg]

Probably because they are forcing you to 'tip out' even though its not a tip pooling arrangement. Given the automation at a almost all credit setting like disney its real easy for them to bully staff in these kinds of arrangements and they arent covered the same as sharing tips. If you could only have a union....

It's a standard industry practice. Not something that just Disney does, or was even thought of by Disney.

 

[flynnibus]

It's a standard industry practice. Not something that just Disney does, or was even thought of by Disney.

Correct... But its something done under the guise of voluntary participation where its really not... Especially if they do not allow you to credit for no tippers, etc

The automation through the pos system really acts as a convenent crutch to combat cheating... But also penalizes when used in certain ways.

 

[englanddg]

Correct... But its something done under the guise of voluntary participation where its really not... Especially if they do not allow you to credit for no tippers, etc

The automation through the pos system really acts as a convenent crutch to combat cheating... But also penalizes when used in certain ways.

It was never "voluntary".

Employers in states that allow for tipped wages are required by state and federal laws to ensure that employees are paid at least the minimum wage, accounting for tips as part of that wage.

Furthermore, they are required, by law, to comply with W-2 withholdings for said employees.

Tip pooling, by law, can only apply to tip income that places the employee above minimum wage, and cannot be applied to non-tipped wage employees (e.g. Greeters/Hostess, BOH staff or Managers). Now, do people abuse this in reality? Sure. But, legally, that's not how it's supposed to work. The concept behind tip pooling is to allow a general share of large value tips among the entire FOH tipped staff, as they contribute to the total environment and as a result have some modicum of impact on the final experience which influences the tip amount.

The entire tip is (by law) NEVER included in a tip pool, and the tip pool is NEVER considered part of the basic salary of the employee (which, since people seem to forget this over and over again, requires the employer ensure their employees make at least the minimum wage...not the TIPPED minimum wage, but the state/federal minimum wage.)