Ticket Price Increase - Feb 2014

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Are that many people buying into DVC these days? How well has the VGF been selling? I guess from a visitor stand point, it seems wasteful to keep building DVC properties when a few of them could use some serious updating. But from a business stand point I see what it offers them.
DVC is incredibly profitable for Disney and enough people buy in and add points to their existing membership that they can keep building more. VGF sales have been a little slow out of the gate. The maintenance fees and the points per night are significantly higher than BLT so I think that may be part of the issue. It's on pace to take about 2 years to sell out which is probably a little longer than expected. My guess is the Poly DVC will sell quickly since it's one of the most popular resorts and a relatively small DVC. The DVC resale market has strengthened over the last year or 2 also. That could be a reaction to the higher direct purchase prices or increased popularity of DVC or a little of both.

As far as updating the resorts, the DVC fees have a component called the capital reserve which is basically an escrow account for deferred maintenance and future capital improvements. If things need updating or replacing it would come from that pool of money. It would cover anything from a new roof, to grounds and common area refurbs to the furniture in the rooms. TWDC does not pay for updating or refurbishing the DVC units.
 

The Visionary Soul

Well-Known Member
Beach Club is one of the harder DVC rooms to get when you trade in due to its popularity, especially during Food and Wine. They would probably have an easy time selling YC if they built there.
I'm not sure there is enough room between the Yacht Club and the Swan & Dolphin to build DVC there. You'd have to build it on their Valet Lot and then expand the lot across the street.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I'm not sure there is enough room between the Yacht Club and the Swan & Dolphin to build DVC there. You'd have to build it on their Valet Lot and then expand the lot across the street.
I wouldn't put it past them to move a parking lot...or convert existing rooms like they are doing at Poly...or even expand into the lake like GF;) If the profits are there they will find a way.
 
Sites discussed for the next DVC include the old River Country (next to Ft. Wilderness), next to Epcot with a private entrance into the World Showcase, and on the ground that once was prepared for the Venetian Resort, between the Contemporary and the TTC.

This postcard from before the opening of MK gives some idea of its location. The Polynesian is on the left and the Magic Kingdom is on the right.

Do you know what the date is on that postcard?
 

rob0519

Well-Known Member
I honestly don't know why anyone would buy a DVC membership right now. The outlay is horrendous and it will just keep getting worse. The main attraction, the Magic Kingdom, just continues to get more and more crowded, lines, even with this Magic Band fiasco get longer and longer and ADRs at the most popular restaurants are almost impossible to get. Why pay all that money for a product that continues to decline in quality from both a maintenance and a creative standpoint?
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I honestly don't know why anyone would buy a DVC membership right now. The outlay is horrendous and it will just keep getting worse. The main attraction, the Magic Kingdom, just continues to get more and more crowded, lines, even with this Magic Band fiasco get longer and longer and ADRs at the most popular restaurants are almost impossible to get. Why pay all that money for a product that continues to decline in quality from both a maintenance and a creative standpoint?

You could take out buy a DVC membership right now and substitute visit WDW right now.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
I honestly don't know why anyone would buy a DVC membership right now. The outlay is horrendous and it will just keep getting worse. The main attraction, the Magic Kingdom, just continues to get more and more crowded, lines, even with this Magic Band fiasco get longer and longer and ADRs at the most popular restaurants are almost impossible to get. Why pay all that money for a product that continues to decline in quality from both a maintenance and a creative standpoint?

I don't have those issues. I never go during peak season, so I don't really deal with over-crowding. I also am always able to get the ADR's I need. Although the decline in maintenance is there (I do not deny this), I think it is exaggerated. DL went through something similar and has since corrected. I expect WDW will do the same. I go about once a year, maybe twice. And I see myself continuing to go in the future. That is why I will be joining DVC in the next couple years.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Oh, the Daily Mail! There's a bastion of respectable journalism! [/sarcasm]
It's more damning for the UK folks, who are quite familiar with KTTW...which...for the record, offered pretty much everything the "bands" offer that is being marketed as "new".

"Wait, you mean my park ticket is also my room key?"

Yep, KTTW did that.

"Ok, so can I charge to it?"

Yep, KTTW did that.

"Er...what about my dining plan?"

Nope, KTTW did that too.

"Well, there is Photopass...er...I mean Memory Maker."

Oh, yeah, well, that is new. Now, pay more for the same experience / arguably a lesser one.

"No thanks, the exchange rate isn't so hot"

That's ok, we'll replace you with rubes.
 

Captain Neo

Well-Known Member
Again, it is different for everyone, but I don't agree.

If you stop visiting entirely, then you do what they want and further destroy what WDW was. You lose any right to complain as a consumer or even as a fan to the company because you aren't a visitor. Why would they ever have to deal with you. I KNOW Disney doesn't want me at WDW. That, sadly, may be the one of the reasons I still go a few times a year.

What? Voting with your wallet is the best way to get Disney's (or any business for that matters) attention. When nobody attended Disney's California Adventure they got the message loud and clear...to the tune of over a BILLION dollars. The only reason we have Cars Land and several other changes/additions today is because Californians told the suits at Disney where they can stick their inferior product. If you people truly want change then put your money where your mouth is and stop going, tell your friends and family to stop going, and be as vocal as possible on forums and in letters to Disney. It may take some time but it's the only proven way to get results.

But most of you won't do that and i've come to realize that's ok because I set up a retirement fund with a ton of Disney stock so i'm gonna ride this pixie train aaaalllllll the way to the bank.
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
I've met several families who have stayed offsite who were unaware of this benefit. The worst...a woman who took her family for 8 days. They bought single day tickets each day upon arriving at the parks. She looked sick when I showed her how much she could have saved.

Honestly, if you are that clueless I have no sympathy for you. There are GIANT signs all over the place with the prices. If you are incapable of doing a rough division (even using your phone calculator) then you deserve to be ripped off.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
What? Voting with your wallet is the best way to get Disney's (or any business for that matters) attention. When nobody attended Disney's California Adventure they got the message loud and clear...to the tune of over a BILLION dollars. The only reason we have Cars Land and several other changes/additions today is because Californians told the suits at Disney where they can stick their inferior product. If you people truly want change then put your money where your mouth is and stop going, tell your friends and family to stop going, and be as vocal as possible on forums and in letters to Disney. It may take some time but it's the only proven way to get results.

But most of you won't do that and i've come to realize that's ok because I set up a retirement fund with a ton of Disney stock so i'm gonna ride this pixie train aaaalllllll the way to the bank.

It's not even that most of us won't do it. (And you're right. Most of us won't.) Even if we all did, Disney wouldn't miss us. As WDW1974 is saying, Disney would rather discriminating guests stay home. They don't want to deal with us. If you remember Disney World's glory days, they would rather you lose interest and stop reminding everyone how great WDW used to be.

But it's a catch 22. Because if you keep paying for inferior product, you are enabling Disney to keep lowering the bar. For my part, I still go. But I go a lot less. Which is easy because stale product at inflated prices doesn't appeal to me. When my kids are a little older, Disney will have cured me and turned my family into Universal regulars. Everybody wins. Disney doesn't have to deal with me and I don't have to deal with them.
 

DisneyFan 2000

Well-Known Member
Added my 2 cents on the Disney World facebook page. It's not much but I can't exactly afford my $100 opinion at the moment and it seems I'm not alone. I encourage every fan here to do the same. It's time we beat Disney at their own game.
 

flyerjab

Well-Known Member
I don't have those issues. I never go during peak season, so I don't really deal with over-crowding. I also am always able to get the ADR's I need. Although the decline in maintenance is there (I do not deny this), I think it is exaggerated. DL went through something similar and has since corrected. I expect WDW will do the same. I go about once a year, maybe twice. And I see myself continuing to go in the future. That is why I will be joining DVC in the next couple years.

I agree. I have no issues like that either. As with most everything these days, I continue paying a lot more for everything, not just WDW. And I know that it is crazy expensive to stay in the World but we continue to do so, and only at the Deluxe Resorts which makes us even crazier. We love it though. But again, I would always understand those that have problems with a product that they have been experiencing since the 70s or 80s and are indicating that it has declined in value. I think that it would be challenging for any institution to keep something fresh for 40+ years.

We bought into the VGF last summer before they were made available to the general public and the cost per point was still high. We will be going next week for 3 nights but will only be staying one night as we are spending one night each at the Contemporary and Poly club levels. On my birthday we will be trying out the VGF for the first time. We really like the GF beach pool so it was a good purchase for us. We have found that we love the GF in general (although I think that my wife's favorite is the Boardwalk or Yacht Club, she can't decide).

What I find interesting is that most people will equate frustration about price increases to the fact the WDW is not spending money on new rides. Unfortunately, to me anyway, it seems like WDW is going through this weird period where they are spending money on pretty much everything else but rides - i.e., new DVC (of course); new busses and bus center at MK; Disney Springs; monorail upgrades; a second ferry dock at the TTC; monorail automated upgrade; refurbs everywhere; MK hub, moat and additional exit walkway, etc. The last project involving anything close to new rides was NFL. The next expansion, not slated for over 3 years, is Pandora and the expansion of African near the new FotLK.

Maybe after they have spent a certain amount on infrastructure, I am hoping that more ride expansion will happen. It is obvious to me that FW in EPCOT and DHS needs serious work. I have only been going to WDW since 2009 and even I can see that already. I have recently watched videos on YouTube about EPCOT in its prime (yes, I am turning into one of those weird Disney aficionados) and I can see how amazing it once was and the current opportunity that is lost - talk about a loss on investment with all of those empty or less than adequate pavilions. Each one should house a major E Ticket. By the way, there was a particularly good video about WDW that was hosted by John Lithgow that I recently saw. It's worth a watch.

For now, though, my family and I love going. Since we are still relative newbies to WDW, I don't grapple with feelings of nostalgia that others do when there favorite ride is removed or the building sits empty and unused. I also can't recall a time when one night at the Poly only cost $38 because I have been spending tons of money for each WDW world vacation I have taken so that is all I know. I wouldn't qualify myself as a pixie duster either because we always make time for Uni on these trips. And we will be spending more time there after this summer (for obvious reasons). I think that in the future we will be doing what other people do. Use our DVC as our base of operations for visiting Orlando and spend time at WDW, Uni, and maybe a beach or two…but most of our time will be spent at WDW. ;)
 

NowInc

Well-Known Member
The best thing to do? Stay offsite. Don't buy merchandise. Go to Universal. Rinse and repeat.

Tho that may help the guest personally, it wont make a difference on the disney end. International guests are more than willing to fill in that "void" you leave behind at WDW.
 

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