If I had to choose, I'd say the Disneyland felt like discount one (tho it's still a great ride): Much worse animatronics for the main characters (plus that weird one of the Fox with gray hair?), an unnecessarily fast pace that makes the story harder to discern, on top of missing some important plot elements (shadow projection or hopping rabbit) and missing Brer Frogs in both the queue and the begining of the ride, single file logs always felt antiquated to me with uncomfortable seating (that was only partially addressed later) and is a clear byproduct of being the first. And more personally, I preferred the Southern take on the music at WDW.
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Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
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If I had to choose, I'd say the Disneyland felt like discount one (tho it's still a great ride): Much worse animatronics for the main characters (plus that weird one of the Fox with gray hair?), an unnecessarily fast pace that makes the story harder to discern, on top of missing some important plot elements (shadow projection or hopping rabbit) and missing Brer Frogs in both the queue and the begining of the ride, single file logs always felt antiquated to me with uncomfortable seating (that was only partially addressed later) and is a clear byproduct of being the first. And more personally, I preferred the Southern take on the music at WDW.
mickEblu
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Of course those once alive characters are present on attractions. They are a crucial part of their stories that the attractions are based on. Now Disney is going with a new hyper real approach and in addition with TBA they set the timeline after the events of PatF. So why on earth are we hearing Ray singing “Going Down the Bayou” on the attraction? Is it his ghost? Then with the highly themed store outside that even shows his bed etc in the mason jars. Is this just a shrine to a once alive beloved friend? None of these decisions add up. Why not include a fan favorite character in a meaningful way because the events of the ride takes place after the movie only to include him anyway in a weird, sloppy and non sensical way? This whole project just screams poor leadership, inexperience and too many cooks in the kitchen. Go ahead - im waiting for some nonsense spewed out in bad faith. Let’s hear it.
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Professortango1
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What shadow projection was missing? Before the drop, because DL had that as well. As for the hopping Rabbit, I liked it as a kid, but it also was a bit clunky. I was okay with rabbit on rail car.
WDW gave up the 2nd half of HDYD for a random transition into Laughin Place which threw off the flow. And then they put really weird dialogue/vocal tracks in that section. "Wow, I wish I could see Brer Rabbit's laughing place!" As opposed to Take Me Along and the possum choir. Add in the fact they cut burrow's lament and replaced figures with Elementary classroom blue skies on the walls for the first half and its a no from me, dog. WDW had Brer Frog, which I didn't really need, DL had the opening and closing owl which you also don't need, but I liked how they started with the one non-speaking owl rather than a talking frog out of the gate and then the random annoying voices from the houses on the outdoor upper portion. Brer Bear's butt also worked a lot better over the flume rather than to the side. And dollar a minute being over a flooded set rather a clay floor.
That being said, I have always said that WDW had the better looking star characters. And I did like the goose bridge layout.
Like I said, the zippiness and quaintness of the original tied it to the pretzel darkride roots and felt like an expansion on that. It felt like a Fantasyland darkride that was on a grand scale. WDW's slow and boat-like flume with fewer figures and emptier feeling sets of blue skies felt like if they put a darkride into Pirates, with 1/4 of the room for sets. One felt like a C ticket turned into an E ticket, the other felt like an E ticket replaced with a C ticket. Its the same problem I have with Tiana's. Tiana's work well as a small cute C-ticket. But it feels too simple and thin for the Splash show building. If your log flume flows like Pirates and Small World, then I'm expecting a Pirates level experience or a Small World experience in terms of scale. Splash never achieved that. Which is why using those type of ride system hurt the attraction for Florida's rendition.
TLDR - Disneyland evolved the log flume into a darkride experience. Disney World devolved the slow boat flume into a more juvenile experience.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Why so aggressive? Its comments like this why you aren't getting many posters willing to give you the positive reviews you're looking for. They don't want their posts torn down in rage because you have some grudge against the changes in this attraction. And I don't blame them, its why I've been hesitant to respond to you many times on several of these projects.
This is honestly not that serious. I treat you with respect and have for the better part of a decade, please do me the same courtesy and stop calling my posts bad faith just because you disagree with them. I post in good faith every single time.
Ray is not actually in the attraction. He has a reference in the attraction, but is not actually there in the attraction.
As for the song, I'm not sure why its hard to fathom that a song of a dead character is being used in an attraction. Once again another reference.
And for the bed in the store that bears his name, again more references.
None of these things somehow mess with the timeline, as he is not actually present in any of them. They are just references, nods to the character. Something that many here including yourself use to praise Disney for, and are now tearing them down for because you disagree with the changes.
You want to call it too many cooks, that is your opinion, and I even understand why you feel that way. I just don't feel the same way.
Look I know you're upset for many reasons about this project, but in this case because they decided to add references to Ray but not Facilier and you want it to make sense. They obviously had their reasons why, even if it doesn't make sense to you. And I can't tell you those reasons and I'm sorry I can't make it make sense for you even though I've tried. But whether you agree with their decision or not it is their decision to make. The only thing we get to decide is whether we want to accept those decisions or move on from experiencing what they have to offer. And maybe that is what these things are telling you, its time to move on, and I say that with the utmost respect.
mickEblu
Well-Known Member
I have to be honest. I didn’t read this response. With all due respect Irish, I often play along or give you the benefit of the doubt due to your consistency and longevity on this site. With that said, if I feel that half of the time you are not speaking in good faith (or at least not completely in good faith) then what’s the point of continuing to have a dialogue?
PiratesMansion
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This is the thing, you treat people who have different opinions than you like a jerk for no reason and assume that they're operating in bad faith, when an opinion is just that. Different.
If you feel like people aren't being respectful to you and your opinions, it is often because you come at people with aggression (or what is perceived as such) because they simply have different thoughts from you, and rather than acknowledge that different opinions don't really matter and affect much, or granting them with any degree of consideration, or just ignoring the ones you don't agree with, you double down and try to make it about how the other person is an idiot who can't possibly be bothered with. It's constant and obnoxious.
Lest this gets turned around on me, another poster you've accused of posting in bad faith, I know that I'm not perfect and have had moments where I have been disrespectful to other people, and I acknowledge that. I have yet to see you acknowledge that anything disrespectful has ever come from your end, ever.
chadwpalm
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
mickEblu
Well-Known Member
I didn’t read this either after the first few lines. No offense. Just looking out for my own well being and trying to be a better steward of my time. Also, what I posted about Ray isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact or an objective truth.
PiratesMansion
Well-Known Member
Proving my point, but sure, ok bro.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Do we have actual confirmation that that is indeed Ray? If it is confirmed to be him and not just an assumption then I stand corrected. However I can easily explain that as it happens outside of the attraction, which can be said to happen outside of the timeline for which its set.
However I know that some will see this as being inconsistent and all the other adjectives describing the negatives, and I can see their points. But I'm still not really seeing it as an issue myself, but I respect peoples opinions that do. We just see it differently and that is ok.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
So not agreeing with you and giving reasons why I don't agree with you or giving my opinion which is counter to yours is not speaking in good faith? But agreeing with you is? I thought the whole point of discussions is to see different view points, agree or disagree, and maybe find common ground when possible.
I find it funny that when someone disagrees with me I don't call what they said as not speaking in good faith. Rather I just counter with my own response and continue the discussion. In fact I don't think I've ever really used that term very often on this site, maybe only once or twice, when I thought someone was outright lying. I don't even think many here even know what the term really means, as it means to not be speaking honestly. And I don't think I ever not spoke honestly on this site. I'm 100% honest and real when I post on this site. And for you to think otherwise shows more about you than me.
chadwpalm
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
I've seen other videos/screenshots and with the smile he does at the end you can tell it's Ray by his teeth. Also, why would another firefly be signing Ray's name?
Your second sentence was my complaint like 10 pages ago. Why can't we have original trilogy things in GE because of the time lock, but in this land we can have neighboring discontinuities and all Disney defenders basically accept both with a pinch of hypocrisy.
I also went on to infer that it looked like two different teams were at play here. One for the attraction and one for the land itself and they failed to share notes. Maybe you missed those posts.
mickEblu
Well-Known Member
Right as if the conclusion I’ve come to is based on a couple disagreements and not countless conversations and your 10 year plus posting history.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Well I can assure you I’m 100% honest and real about everything I post. If I post an opinion it’s because I actually believe it. And when I’m incorrect I try to acknowledge it, just as I did right on this very page. I don’t just post nonsense just to stir the pot. Others may and I may respond to it, but I myself don’t. I’m 100% real and make no apologies for who I am or the options I have, and nor should I.
No matter what your opinion I’ll still respect it, especially given our long posting history. Funny you don’t extend the same courtesy. Again I think that more reflects on you than on me.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I agree on GE, and said so in those threads. As for Ray, well so be it, as I said I stand corrected.I've seen other videos/screenshots and with the smile he does at the end you can tell it's Ray by his teeth. Also, why would another firefly be signing Ray's name?
Your second sentence was my complaint like 10 pages ago. Why can't we have original trilogy things in GE because of the time lock, but in this land we can have neighboring discontinuities and all Disney defenders basically accept both with a pinch of hypocrisy.
I also went on to infer that it looked like two different teams were at play here. One for the attraction and one for the land itself and they failed to share notes. Maybe you missed those posts.
And maybe it was two different teams. I still don’t see an issue here, or at least not the same issues as others here see. Maybe I’m just not as critical on these minute details as others are. So it’s just not as important to me. I respect others opinions on it though, even if I don’t see the same things they do.
Too Many Hats
Well-Known Member
It makes me worry about most of WDI's upcoming projects, Avengers included. Avatar will be well-funded and a flagship attraction, but what kind of budget and creative decisions should we expect for, say, the Coco boat ride? "These skeletons can play!"??
Too Many Hats
Well-Known Member
A glitchy, poorly-positioned screen. One of the most laziest Splash/TBA replacements.
Let's remember Tony Baxter's line (often used while discussing Fantasyland 1983) about how if you're going to replace something at the parks, the replacement has to add value on top of what was there before.
Too Many Hats
Well-Known Member
Agreed, it's a boring coaster. Almost entirely right turns! I grew up with MK's version and had a real "Are you kidding; that's it??" reaction to Disneyland's after my first ride.
Over time however I've realized Disneyland's is more of a sensory experience than a roller coaster (thanks to the dramatically better effects), and I've grown to appreciate it as an attraction more than MK's Space. I visited MK a couple years ago for the first time in over a decade, and, amazingly, had the same "That's it??" reaction to their version. The big drops are fun, but overall it's not as great as I remember.
Too Many Hats
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Probably a dumb question, but do people get/buy these ponchos within Disneyland? My teenage self would hate me, but at age 34 I don't think I can deal with wet clothes and would rather look like a dork in a poncho.