Disney Analyst
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Was expected. It was covered in scaffolding. Was also removed in Florida.
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Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
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Was expected. It was covered in scaffolding. Was also removed in Florida.
BasiltheBatLord
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This is a really interesting recent clip from Tony Baxter on the development of Splash Mountain as it related to SotS controversies.
He mentions that the NAACP was consulted during the development of the attraction and approved of it, including the dialects of the characters.
Zinger of a quote at the end too: “I stand by this even today: There was not one thing in the ride that was detrimental to anybody […] I think we’re way overboard on that kind of sensitivity.”
He mentions that the NAACP was consulted during the development of the attraction and approved of it, including the dialects of the characters.
Zinger of a quote at the end too: “I stand by this even today: There was not one thing in the ride that was detrimental to anybody […] I think we’re way overboard on that kind of sensitivity.”
TrainsOfDisney
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Exactly!!! I’m glad Tony is speaking up about this.
BrerFoxesBayouAdventure
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The one thing they were apprehensive about was the Tar Baby and so it was changed to a beehive full of honey. It makes sense considering the Laughin' Place in both the film and the ride is full of bees.
chadwpalm
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- In the Parks
- No
There was nothing inherently problematic or racist about the ride itself. I always found the "It was inspired by a problematic movie" as an excuse to justify replacing a classic and beloved attraction.
With that said, I've come to accept that Splash is gone now and I'll at least be open minded enough to give Tiana a try, but just like Splash I will most likely only ride it when it's hot and need to cool off. As much as I loved Splash, I still wouldn't ride it at 10pm in the middle of December and I probably won't with Tiana either, no matter how good or bad it turns out.
Given wait time history, I think it is safe to say that more people than not rode Splash due to the weather rather than the content, but it definitely was a good ride with catchy music, cute critters, and a journey of emotions from happiness, to sorrow, to dread, back to celebration. We'll see if Tiana can actually spark some similar emotions, or if "find the ingredients" ends up as dull as it sounds.
I would ride it in winter on days when I was wearing a raincoat anyway.
chadwpalm
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- In the Parks
- No
I guess there are exceptions. Like if I was staying on property or at a hotel across the street and it was the last attraction I did for the night. But yeah, raincoat or poncho is a good way to do it too.
Baxter’s hesitancy on what to refer to melanated people who originate from the continent of Africa was both funny and interesting at the same time.
Simply put, this is a new generation of people working on the parks. Additionally, we can’t ignore Eisner putting the movie away.
I have accepted that the ride is gone, and it’s gone for various reasons. Whether the NAACP was consulted or not back in the 80s, Disney clearly wants nothing to do with anything related to SotS in the 2020s.
Simply put, this is a new generation of people working on the parks. Additionally, we can’t ignore Eisner putting the movie away.
I have accepted that the ride is gone, and it’s gone for various reasons. Whether the NAACP was consulted or not back in the 80s, Disney clearly wants nothing to do with anything related to SotS in the 2020s.
Rich T
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Exactly. 2023 is not the 1980’s. Disney is a huge media corporation in an age of social media where everyone has instant access to any IP’s history. This change was inevitable.
Disney had decades to come up with a solution to how to present the movie SotS in context to a modern population. They simply didn’t want to deal with it at all, and their final decision was to erase it from existence and remove all ties to it. That’s the way it is.
BrerFoxesBayouAdventure
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They failed this movie.
Thank you. Correct. We’re talking about different audiences here. It sucks, but it is what it is. Splash Mountain is gone and no longer exists.
An inevitable change, for sure. I think it was always on borrowed time. Should have used a different movie to base the ride on.
Rich T
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On the other hand, the movie is mediocre, slow and beyond dated. I can’t imagine anyone who isn’t a diehard animation history fan sitting through it even if it weren’t also so offensive by today’s standards. This is a unique situation. If it were actually a great film, more effort might have been made to preserve it and present it in a historical context… but the movie as a whole is weak and forgettable (the relatively brief animated moments aside).
I cannot imagine any CEO looking at SotS and deciding it was worth risking their career defending.
TrainsOfDisney
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Nobody was asking for a ceo to do that. The ceo took it upon himself because he wanted to score cultural points and erase part of eisners legacy at the same time.
Another great point. Racism aside, the movie is a snooze fest. I think it should be released, but yeah, not surprised at all that it’s been decided that it will stay in the vault. It’s racist, it’s boring, and there is little to no demand from the public.
TrainsOfDisney
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Is it more offensive than Peter Pan?
Rich T
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I think you misunderstood my post. A CEO would be risking their career by defending or releasing the MOVIE Song of the South.
Retheming Splash is the company’s way of eliminating the park’s ties to a film they are ashamed of.
Mickey's Pal
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Tony is 100% correct and if you feel otherwise you maybe the one who really has issues about race.
TrainsOfDisney
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Not necessarily - if you released it in the right way it could certainly happen but with an introduction that explained it and opened up conversation.
Rich T
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I, personally, would say, Oh, yes. Yes it is. SotS is beyond doubt, by today’s standards, the most offensive movie Disney has ever made. It was made with good intentions, but to say it hasn’t aged gracefully would be the understatement of the decade.
The big difference in comparing SotS and Pan:
Peter Pan is a great film with a brief controversial scene.
Song of the South is a weak film that is full of controversial scenes from start to finish.
It’s about percentage re: good vs. bad. And it’s about popularity: People today still love Peter Pan as a film, a play and a classic book. Nobody loves Song of the South.