October82
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Yeah, 100% certain they don't have a conscience either. But that's a topic for another thread on a different website.
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Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
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Yeah, 100% certain they don't have a conscience either. But that's a topic for another thread on a different website.
Brer Panther
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Because they're hypocrites.
They'll most likely do a farewell. When's the last time a ride at Disney closed without merch recently?
So the rides horribly racist but not racist enough to close now but one day will be too racist?
What a mess
Stevek
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The ride itself isn't remotely racist. The movie it's tied to has racial challenges.
Stevek
Well-Known Member
Ride that is tied to a problematic movie...while I don't feel the ride should be removed, I can certainly see where Disney feels they should not have a ride tied to that movie. We're in a different world now, like it or not.
Yes there is, according to Disney. It’s connected to the film.
Roger_the_pianist
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I'm tired of the argument that the ride itself is not racist. The dialects are heavy stereotypes, the characters of Br'er Rabbit, Fox, and Bear are performing a minstrel show throughout the attraction.
Disney Analyst
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Some people really just need to get over it. It’s done. The decision is made.
Disney owns the property, they have determined it was terribly racist long ago, and they no longer want any part in it.
Let it go.
Disney owns the property, they have determined it was terribly racist long ago, and they no longer want any part in it.
Let it go.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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If it’s tied to a “problematic” or at a minimum unknown (by virtue of self-censorship) IP, it creates a challenge when the “brain” of the company is run by marketing and consumer products division.
If you are an Exec, you can’t “sell” a product you’re either ashamed of or for which your target audience doesn’t know exists. Whether we as fans like it or not, the mandate from the WDC Exec is to maximize synergies and revenue streams from existing attractions (nostalgia be darned) which includes selling attraction merchandise and tying what guests see at the park to what they can watch (and subscribe to) on Disney+.
Perhaps we could argue the Execs don’t understand the product they’re selling, that there’s too much focus on squeezing revenue over historical company/brand legacy. I certainly wouldn’t disagree, but it is very purposeful. The same goes for the dissolution of CM perks, the declining guest experience, in addition to disregard for nostalgia. But it’s the classic 21st century MBA mindset that keeps shareholders coming back for more.
el_super
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More like "we know the ride is a problem and we're working on it... give us some time."
Closing the ride outright, would have presented additional operational challenges, and Disney doesn't see the need to introduce new problems while trying to resolve this one. It's smart business.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
Well-Known Member
I don’t agree with it but there are many individuals on a professional level that are very concerned about guilt by association. Even to the extent that I’ve known friends that changed their last names, etc.
There’s also a cottage industries focused on reputation defending and of course public officials constantly have to manage their families reputations.
Brer Panther
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There are some incredibly racist shorts starring Mickey, Donald and Goofy, but nobody's asking for them to be removed from the parks.
It’s a discussion board, you’re free not to take part if you don’t like it. There’s plenty of discussions on this website I have no part in because I simply don’t care.
If they have determined that it is terribly racist then it’s absolutely outrageous that they are still operating the attraction today.
But not quite racist enough to close it immediately?
Disney Analyst
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A discussion going in circles currently, with nothing new brought to the table... It's just the same group ranting about inevitable change as society learns, moves forward, and grows.
All I see is people refusing to accept reality.
I rewatched Peter Pan the other night for the first time since I was a kid. I honestly can't believe how badly racist it is. The way Indigenous people are portrayed... it is shocking.
I’m relatively new to the discussion and enjoying myself, I don’t see the problem, you don’t have to read.
I know what the reality is, I don’t have to like it though, and again I’m free to discuss that here. Feel free to block me if I bore you, no hard feelings.
I agree, some of Peter Pan is racist. Would you be in favour of ripping out Peter Pan’s Flight, firing the face characters and taking down Tinkerbells wire for the fireworks? Because that’s how I feel they are reacting to Splash Mountain.
Disney Analyst
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If you can't see a difference between an entire film that is inherently racist, and has been banned by Disney for... decades, and films that have racist depictions in parts of the films, and the measures Disney is now taking to address those instances...
I don't see how there is much more to discuss.
I’d say in terms of attractions Splash Mountain has no racist elements, Peter Pan’s Flight does. That’s makes Pan’s Flight way worse in my book. Not that I’m in favour of getting rid of that either.
Have you seen Song of the South?
Have you read this thread you're posting to?