• The new WDWMAGIC iOS app is here!
    Stay up to date with the latest Disney news, photos, and discussions right from your iPhone. The app is free to download and gives you quick access to news articles, forums, photo galleries, park hours, weather and Lightning Lane pricing. Learn More
  • Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
    Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.

Theme parks: Is tighter security tight enough?

speck76

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Theme parks: Is tighter security tight enough?
Venues still vulnerable, analysts say

Scott Powers | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted September 9, 2006


Motor vehicles are kept at a distance. The skies over Walt Disney World are clear of aircraft. Back entrances are well-guarded and in some cases even fortified. Delivery trucks are searched. And millions of visitors' bags are checked.

Five years after the Sept. 11 attacks changed the world, Central Florida theme-park operators insist they have also taken stronger, less-visible measures to tighten security they won't talk about.

"It's really become the new normal," said SeaWorld Orlando spokeswoman Becca Bides.

Yet some analysts are concerned that theme parks remain highly vulnerable.

The parks face the challenge of allowing tens of thousands of strangers to enter and congregate each day, and keeping them safe while not letting them feel caught up in a security net. For many visitors, the bag checks are the only security measures they notice.

David Cid, a former FBI counterterrorism specialist who is deputy director for the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism in Oklahoma City, said nothing short of airport-style security could keep the parks as safe as they should be. Person-by-person searches. Metal detectors. Bomb-sniffing stations.

"If you want to make sure somebody is not bringing a weapon into a facility or wearing some sort of device under their shirt, you've got to put them through some sort of detection system," Cid said.

He acknowledged the huge and disquieting inconvenience of such measures. And he said they could be impractical. But he worries the parks might one day be sorry they aren't doing them already.

"The first time somebody walks into a theme park with a bomb, everything will change. And then everyone will expect you to do this sort of thing," Cid said.

It's a prospect the tourism industry doesn't like to talk about but clearly thinks about.

"The bag check -- it's very cosmetic. It just puts people at ease and once in a blue moon might prevent something," said Abe Pizam, dean of the Rosen College of Hospitality Management at the University of Central Florida and editor of the book Tourism, Security and Safety: From Theory to Practice. "But somebody who is very sophisticated, they can slip through," Pizam said.

Many visitors also recognize the risk. Janene and Andy Bougetz of Cambridge, Minn., who were visiting Disney-MGM Studios this week, were pleased to see more uniformed security guards. But much like Cid and Pizam, Janene Bougetz scoffed at the bag checks.

"It's pretty lame. If you really wanted to get something in here, I think you could," she said. "They never check the guys' pockets. He had a camera in it."

Theme-park officials insist they are doing all they can.

"The safety of all of our guests and cast members is our top priority," said Disney World spokesman Jacob DiPietre. "In today's environment, like all Americans, we are exerting extra vigilance and asking our guests and cast members to do the same."

Such vigilance, in the nation's family playground, begins largely at the airports.

A record 51 million people are expected to visit Central Florida this year, with Orlando International Airport serving as the gateway for many.

Their experience flying is far different from the one shared by travelers before the terrorist attacks five years ago.

Passengers these days likely head to the gates by themselves, with no loved ones to say goodbye to before their flights. Their carry-on luggage may be swabbed for traces of explosive material. And they may be on a flight with an air marshal.

Last month's undoing of an alleged plot to blow up planes departing England for the United States has prompted further restrictions, including prohibitions on liquids and gels in carry-on bags.

At the parks, the only security measure many visitors see is the bag check, begun at the gates shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks. For some visitors, as Pizam suggested, the checks offer comfort.

"I know I don't have anything to hide, but I don't know about the next person -- and I feel safer because of it," said Vivian Jones of Detroit, who was visiting Universal Orlando this week with her husband, Arlington Jones, and adult son Denny Jones of Destin.

SeaWorld, Universal and Disney officials all insist they work closely with local, state and national law-enforcement and security officials. That includes sharing ideas, receiving briefings and hosting mock emergency drills. It also probably includes intelligence information, Cid said. And that, he added, likely would be as crucial as any physical precautions.

The parks were designed so cars and trucks park far enough from trafficked areas that they would be unlikely weapons -- and that line of defense has been strengthened. At Disney, employee and vendor entrances were outfitted two years ago with gates that could withstand a crashing truck. Trucks are frequently searched at all the theme parks.

Disney also got the airspace above Walt Disney World declared a no-fly zone in 2003.

The skies above Universal and SeaWorld remain relatively open. "We are comfortable with the existing height restrictions for aircraft," said Bides, the SeaWorld spokeswoman.

Plainclothes guards and surveillance-camera systems are reportedly employed throughout the area's theme parks, though none of the venues will discuss those security measures. With proper training, Cid said, the measures would be highly effective as a second line of defense, after scrutiny of guests at the entrance.

Terrorists' nerves can give them away. "Those pre-operational indicators we see, that puts up a cop's antennae when he walks into a 7-Eleven and someone is just standing there. He [the officer] might not be able to articulate it, but he knows it," Cid said. "That's absolutely essential."

Beth Kassab of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report. Scott Powers can be reached at spowers@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5441.
 

CAPTAIN HOOK

Well-Known Member
Bag checks at Disney parks will not, I'm sorry to say, stop terrorists. A terrorist with explosives strapped to their body will not be stopped unless airport security scanners are utilised - and think of the delays that will create as people queue to get into the parks.
 

Nemo14

Well-Known Member
I find the bag check to be more of a constant reminder of the way the world has changed since September 11. I know that there is a lot more security going on than what I see, but the bag checks are really pretty lame. If anyone wanted to bring in a weapon or bomb or anything, as long as it wasn't in a bag it would be OK....:confused:
 

gamerboy255

New Member
I think that there needs to be more security at WDW. At Six Flags Over Georgia, there are bag checks, metal detectors, and bomb sniffing dogs that you have to go through to even get in. It doesn't back up the line to get in that much.
 

doop

Well-Known Member
Interesting read. I agree, more needs to be done for security at theme parks, i'd say metal detectors would probably be the next most realistic step, and would probably help a lot. It just really stinks, that in the world we live in today, someone would be willing to destroy a place that so many people love, and is based on happiness. :(
 

Monty

Brilliant...and Canadian
In the Parks
No
WDW and other attractions have invested significant amounts in what are called Threat/Risk Assessments [TRAs]. It is by no means a perfect science, but there are methodologies for determining how high the threat really is and what level of security needs to be in place to mitigate the risks.

To quote from an old Stallone movie "There is no security". You can never guarantee 100% security. So organizations examine the threat and determine what, on balance, can be done to maximize security while simultaneously minimizing the impact on the bottom line.

The most significant factor I can think of is that terrorists likely know that the level of response after 9/11 would pale compared to the response to an attack at WDW. Deliberately attacking kids would bring out the beast more than the twin towers ever could. Just my opinion...
 

Scooter

Well-Known Member
Disney World will never really be truly secure as long as Pleasure Island/Downtown Disney/West Side is open to the public.

Anyone can take a bus from Downtown Disney to any of Disney's resorts and then another Disney bus or Boat or Monorail to any Disney Theme park.

The Security people don''t do a very thorough check of all things. (Especially strollers)
If anyone wanted to do damage, (and God fobid they do) they could.

Having said that, I refuse to worry about such things while I'm on vacations.

ALSO: Disney needs to train their security people better so they are all on the same page. Some of the Security people do a really good search while others just wave you through the line.

There's even a line for people who have no bags to check...what's up with that? Is that a pipe bomb in your pants or are you just glad to see me?
:lol:
 

Nemo14

Well-Known Member
Disney World will never really be truly secure as long as Pleasure Island/Downtown Disney/West Side is open to the public.

Anyone can take a bus from Downtown Disney to any of Disney's resorts and then another Disney bus or Boat or Monorail to any Disney Theme park.

:

But they still have to go through park security - not sure what your point is here.... :confused:
 

Scooter

Well-Known Member
But they still have to go through park security - not sure what your point is here.... :confused:


My point was this:

Anyone could park in Downtown Disney, take a bus to any resort, (and blow it up) or take a bus from any resort to any theme park, and stand at the entrance (Where hundreds, if not thousands of people congregate standing in long lines waiting to get into the park) and blow themselves and all those people up with them.

I just didn't want to come right our and say it blatently so as to scare
people. (sorry if I did)

I hope you get my point now.
 

Nemo14

Well-Known Member
My point was this:

Anyone could park in Downtown Disney, take a bus to any resort, (and blow it up) or take a bus from any resort to any theme park, and stand at the entrance (Where hundreds, if not thousands of people congregate standing in long lines waiting to get into the park) and blow themselves and all those people up with them.

I just didn't want to come right our and say it blatently so as to scare
people. (sorry if I did)

I hope you get my point now.
OK - just didn't understand what this had to do with Downtown Disney. It would seem that anyone could do this, no matter where they were coming from(?)
 

Gorjus

Well-Known Member
I personally find the security checks (at least the obvious ones) at the parks and resorts to be more of a pain in the neck than a hindrence to any threat.

I almost never bring a bag with me to the parks. I have a jacket with multiple pockets that can hold any number of dangerous items. :drevil: I walk through the "no bag" line, so no one searches me.

I pull up to a resort and say I'm coming for a visit. I show my license and am waved in. If I'm not mistaken, all the terrorists on September 11th had a United States Drivers license.

It appears to me that all this is doing is giving a false sense of security to a select few who tend to ... overthink ... things and be a bit nervous in dealing with life.

I'd rather have the inconveniences removed and rely on the real security measures that are taken that I can't see.
 

TOTGuy

Member
I went to the world about three weeks after 9/11 and it was eery. All the bag checks to some getting used to. It was empty though and it was honestly one of the best trips of my life. As much as I want safety to be a concern, I still can't imagine being patted down on my way into the happiest place on earth. Sigh, guess it's a sign of the times...
 

wedway71

Well-Known Member
I know it really stinks that we live in a day where we need bag checks to go to WDW. I think Disney is put in a akward place in the fact that Im sure they could do more as far as security with medal detectors and bomb sniffing dogs etc. Disney has to balance offering a safe place to enjoy the magic of Disney and not overwhelming guests too. WDW is a place where most of us go to get away from the real world and seeing National Guard Units posted with dogs and airport medal detectors would really take away from the whole magical experience but on the other hand so would a terrorist attack as well. I think WDW is doing a good job at balancing security and still not totally taking away the magic from guests.As terrorist actions increase possibly in the future they may have to adapt to new proceedures .
 

SteveUK

Member
I have to say that I think the majority of the security procedures at WDW are aimed largely at making the public feel safer and more comfortable. There is no such thing as complete security. I have seen guns and mobile phones smuggled into high security prisons. If people can get such objects through security of this level, I have to wonder how effective a quick look inside your bag and a pat down of your pockets at a park turnstile can really be.
 

brertigger

Member
I almost never bring a bag with me to the parks. I have a jacket with multiple pockets that can hold any number of dangerous items. :drevil: I walk through the "no bag" line, so no one searches me.

I have seen several people in both the bags and no bags lines that have been asked to empty their pockets for additional screening.
 

miles1

Active Member
The most significant factor I can think of is that terrorists likely know that the level of response after 9/11 would pale compared to the response to an attack at WDW. Deliberately attacking kids would bring out the beast more than the twin towers ever could. Just my opinion...

I share your opinion. The last time I stated it on here I was lightly flamed.

I'm not sure how to say this without sounding pious, but I'll try. I'm sure that the mouse takes all reasonable steps to prevent a terrorist attack, but as others have said, if someone really wanted to get a bomb or other device into the parks it could be done. We cannot reasonably expect Disney, or anyone else to keep us completely safe from any calamity. Any of us could be in a terrorist attack on a subway, or be hit by a bus, or even struck by lightning tomorrow, with the end result being death. Folks have even passed away after riding some of the rides. If I were to be the victim of an attack tomorrow, at least I know (hope) that I would be in a much better place, while the perpetrator or his leader would be in hiding, s__________g sand in a cave for the rest of his life. And I can just imagine what his afterlife would be like.

At some point we have to accept the risk and enjoy life. I would rather not be subject to metal detectors and dog snot (enough of that at home :lol: ) when visiting WDW, even if it may offer some additional measure of safety. If we allow ourselves to feel its necesssary, then the terrorists have won.

Just my two cents.
 

bordesley

New Member
It isn't good enough definately, the bench mark should be the House Of Blues at Downtown on gig nights. Their security is superb, there is no way anyone will get anything into there. We are talking metal detecters ran over people. It makes you feel safe.

How can you not search individuals ? I am always shocked at this. Surely noone minds them doing this ?
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom