I didn't bother. Its in the media, its debated. Go look for opposing views and you'll find them.
I love the "there is emerging" well, many people have been saying this since the beginning, or if you want to be more prEcise, "near the beginning"
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Politics Theme Park Reopening Guidelines to be released 10/20/20
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I love the "there is emerging" well, many people have been saying this since the beginning, or if you want to be more prEcise, "near the beginning"
And lets not turn this into a covid mask thread. There are (exaggerating lest you factcheck me) a gazillion of them over in the politics forum. Have at it.
See, everything you don't like is "guess." People with real expertise were "guessing" in your view.
Ok.
The WHO, a Dr. Fauci, others of equal "expertise" 'guessed' masks weren't necessary and told us so.
Then they 'guessed' they were.
and so on
I'm not going to agree with you, you belittle the opinions that aren't convenient, and I find you unconvincing. As you no doubt find me. The horse has been beaten.
I guess I'm done.
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More Shopping, More Dining! Coming Soon: Downtown Disney District at Disneyland Resort Extends to Buena Vista Street
Beginning in November there will be even more distinctively Disney dining and shopping for you to enjoy at the Disneyland Resort, when the Downtown Disney District extends to Buena Vista Street!disneyparks.disney.go.com
So Buena Vista Street is a part of Downtown Disney now?
"Only the shopping and dining experiences along Buena Vista Street will be accessible from the Downtown Disney District at this time, as Disney California Adventure park is currently closed."
Huh? If it's closed how can people be inside the park shopping and eating?
Overall I'm baffled by the lack of leadership and inability for the DLR to demonstrate even the most basic levels of innovation and ingenuity in dealing with the pandemic. It's like everyone's brains at Team Disney Anaheim have been paralyzed since March.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I see it as their way to say "Hey Guests we're going to allow you in but not at a ticket price so we can officially say we're still closed".
PS: Hey see, I do some work. I went and found this. Now it is a news site, but you cited several yourself. So if it gets pulled because its "unverified" I'm going to report all of yours too. Because I know for a FACT that the New York times has printed many falsehoods, that's an agreed upon FACT.
So here it goes. Now as you look at this, you'll see that cases are growing in some states lessening restrictions and in other states tightening restrictions. You will also notice that most states are lessening striations so, you and your ilk are: losing the argument, probably due to SCIENCE. But hey, that's just my opinion. Ok, here's the link, the source might be controversial I don't know who decides that around here.
https://www.usatoday.com/storytelling/coronavirus-reopening-america-map/#caseload
Read carefully, it might not be suitable to people easily outraged by more individual freedom.
ToTBellHop
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
Could be some legal classification, who knows.
FruitSaladAndApplePie
Member
Dude this just shows that cases are growing in most states no matter how open it is?
That's what I got out of it. Restrictions aren't really doing much. The CDC reported that 70%+ in July had worn a mask all the time/most of the time. I keep harping on the senior places with all their controls still having many cases. There is something very different about this virus that the mitigation efforts doesn't effect. That's not a call for more restrictions, that's more of a sign that what we're doing isn't very effective so why keep doing it. "at least its something" just doesn't cut it when the effects of that something are so devastating.
lazyboy97o
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They didn’t and even then masks are not recommended as personal protection.
Ok, here are some people with expertise that show lockdowns, keeping business closed, requiring masks, etc. don't work and may be causing more harm than good:
WHO Joins Top Epidemiologists in Emphasizing Harm Caused by Lockdowns
"We've got to follow the science," we're repeatedly told during the COVID-19 pandemic, usually by people arguing for the strict measures included in the
reason.com
As for why those of us are saying open things up, this meme is actually a good representation of what the true nature of COVID deaths are:
This is actually relatively accurate for causes of deaths this year, of course there are some major ones missing like malnutrition, drugs, suicides and such. But COVID is such a small percentage and yet we are focused on that instead of trying to stop all of these other deaths and the lockdowns are resulting in more deaths in some of these other categories, such as cancer because there was a point where "elective surgeries" weren't allowed and this could have been removing a cancerous tumor that then grew into something that couldn't be removed by the time they were allowed.
Interestingly, South Dakota proved that providing guidelines on how to stay safe, but not requiring them to be followed did less damage to the economy and actually did a pretty good job at combating COVID, in other words they found a middle ground that exists.
Now back to Disney.
No, they aren't and you know why? Because they don't work and I did cite my sources in my previous post.
lazyboy97o
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It’s not. COVID-19 is the third leading cause of death in the US.
SplashGhost
Well-Known Member
The fact that parks are somehow "safe" without rides operating proves how dumb the guidelines are. Ride might be more safe that shopping and dining, since it would be easier to separate people and they won't remove their mask to eat on a ride.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
You think people would vacation at Disneyland in any significant number without the rides? The isolated activity is not the concern, it is the travel.
SplashGhost
Well-Known Member
Then if Newsom cares so much about that, he can limit people traveling to the resort from far off distances. Like I have mentioned before, nothing is stopping Californians from going to Vegas and bringing COVID back with them. I'm sure Vegas is far more unsafe than Disneyland would be. Honestly, Newsom shouldn't let anyone enter the state without a 14 day quarantine if he is so worried about people traveling to Disneyland.
lazyboy97o
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That was part of the plan. The parks freaked out and begged for those guidelines to not be released.
SplashGhost
Well-Known Member
With those guidelines, the parks still wouldn't have been able to open until possibly as late as next summer. I'm sure they would prefer only local guests over no guests under the current guidelines.
SuddenStorm
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How many Californians are leaving the state to go vacation elsewhere? I imagine Vegas is getting quite a few Californians.
I work at a hotel in the Salt Lake area, and the amount of Californians I check in daily is staggering.
Providing Californians more local options for recreations could limit their travel outside the state, which is only a good thing.