The World's Most Magical Celebration - Walt Disney World's 50th anniversary

[James Alucobond]

Do we think that the reason they’re really sticking to Enchantment staying around forever is because…

A. The show is genuinely cheaper to run each night

B. They want something to announce at D23 that can go after a lukewarm Target-style announcement and guarantees folks go crazy

C. There’s a weird power play/optics game that implies that if HEA is announced to come back, the 50th’s only real unique entertainment offering is revealed to be a dud and people postpone their vacations for six more months

D. Something else?

(Hot takes ignoring whatever your actual opinion of the show is and more-so channeling the loud fan community dissatisfaction)

I thought people said it wasn't staying around forever and that this is a stopgap? My feeling on why they don't simply revert to HEA right away continues to center on Harmonious, which has a lot of musical overlap with HEA. They probably need to significantly modify one or the other (or both) before it makes sense to return HEA to the rotation in order to avoid redundancy.

 

[gerarar]

A. The show is genuinely cheaper to run each night

DE is definitely not cheaper to run, pyro-wise. It currently has more shells and fireworks than HEA 2021 version. Plus DE has more bigger shells than HEA ever did.

If anything, DE is more expensive, even more now with the additional 3 minutes intro.

 

[kevlightyear]

DE is definitely not cheaper to run, pyro-wise. It currently has more shells and fireworks than HEA 2021 version. Plus DE has more bigger shells than HEA ever did.

If anything, DE is more expensive, even more now with the additional 3 minutes intro.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the issue with HEA was the licensing they had to pay to the company who produced/created it because somehow Disney didn't purchase the show outright. Now wether that's more than the increased consumable costs, I don't know.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the issue with HEA was the licensing they had to pay to the company who produced/created it because somehow Disney didn't purchase the show outright. Now wether that's more than the increased consumable costs, I don't know.

The company in question:

Portfolio – Happily Ever After – Mousetrappe – Media Design and Production Studio

www.mousetrappe.com

The status of any licensing or purchasing of the show is unknown. But one presumes if they go back to this show with tweaks, they'll probably need to use Mousetrappe. Maybe.

Apt name for the company.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

The company in question:

Portfolio – Happily Ever After – Mousetrappe – Media Design and Production Studio

www.mousetrappe.com

Disney paid a third party to create the animation for HEA? And did not make it a one time payment type of thing?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney paid a third party to create the animation for HEA? And did not make it a one time payment type of thing?

<shrug>?

An insider told us one of the hurdles of bringing back HEA was dealing with Mousetrappe and the cost that would entail.

In the lead up to HEA, Disney made a big point that they were using their own 2-D hand-drawn animator to animate Ursula. So, I would think that all the animations were in-house.

But the projectors and putting it all together was likely Mousetrappe.

Much of the new in-house new animation for DE was Flash-like animation. And that alone is why DE should die.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

<shrug>?

In the lead up to HEA, Disney made a big point that they were using their own 2-D hand-drawn animator to animate Ursula. So, I would think that all the animations were in-house.

But the projectors and putting it all together was likely Mousetrappe.

Much of the new in-house new animation for DE was Flash-like animation. And that alone is why DE should die.

Interesting. I took a look on their website and it seems as though they've worked with Disney a lot over the past few years, Rivers of Light, Momentous, Not So Spooky Spectacular, Disneyland Forever, etc. So whatever agreement they had for HEA can't be too different than those other projects

 

[MisterPenguin]

Interesting. I took a look on their website and it seems as though they've worked with Disney a lot over the past few years, Rivers of Light, Momentous, Not So Spooky Spectacular, Disneyland Forever, etc. So whatever agreement they had for HEA can't be too different than those other projects

Note they had nothing to do with DE and Harmonious.

 

[Disone]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the issue with HEA was the licensing they had to pay to the company who produced/created it because somehow Disney didn't purchase the show outright. Now wether that's more than the increased consumable costs, I don't know.

I don't think HEA was third party. Here is a sizzle video of the making of HEA.



Now I realized a sizzle video like this isn't going to say produced by a third party. That said, there's a lot of Disney name tags in this video from animators to producers to WDI.

If it was a third party that created this, I'd be interested to know that company name. Only recently have I begun reading that HEA is third party.

But even entertaining the idea that it is third party, then a third party was paid to produce a show that is 100% intellectual property and even the animation on it was hand drawn by Disney animators for this show. The music is clearly Disney's. And the technology to produce the show is still in use today. I don't know that there was a licensing agreement that WDW would want to give up.

Edit: thanks for the company name. Mousetrappe. Interesting.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Sounds like Bob 2.0 wants to sever as many connections to Bob 1.0 that he can.

Note they had nothing to do with DE and Harmonious.

And both are less well-received than their predecessors.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I don't think HEA was third party. Here is a sizzle video of the making of HEA.



Now I realized a sizzle video like this isn't going to say produced by a third party. That said, there's a lot of Disney name tags in this video from animators to producers to WDI.

If it was a third party that created this, I'd be interested to know that company name. Only recently have I begun reading that HEA is third party.

But even entertaining the idea that it is third party, then a third party was paid to produce a show that is 100% intellectual property and even the animation on it was hand drawn by Disney animators for this show. The music is clearly Disney's. And the technology to produce the show is still in use today. I don't know that there was a licensing agreement that WDW would want to give up.

It was produced in some way by a third party named Mousetrappe. You can look at their portfolio, they’ve worked with Disney On several projects, the link was just posted a little bit further up

 

[Disone]

It was produced in some way by a third party named Mousetrappe. You can look at their portfolio, they’ve worked with Disney On several projects, the link was just posted a little bit further up

Thank you for the name of the company! Appreciated

 

[wtyy21]

Note they had nothing to do with DE and Harmonious.

According to Mousetrappe website, their work for Disneyland only does for Disneyland Forever. It means that most post-60th fireworks show that utilized DLF projection were done in-house, like 2017 version of RDCT, Halloween Screams, Believe in Holiday Magic, and Mickey's Mix Magic i believe. Yet most of the shows are well-received except for Mix Magic.

Mousetrappe also didn't work for Minnie's Wonderful Christmas Time fireworks, which gave an indication that the projection in MWCT were done in-house.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Now I realized a sizzle video like this isn't going to say produced by a third party. That said, there's a lot of Disney name tags in this video from animators to producers to WDI.

If it was a third party that created this, I'd be interested to know that company name. Only recently have I begun reading that HEA is third party.

Yeah, just like Disney doesn't announce the name of the roller coaster company making their roller coasters (whether off the shelf or designed by WDI).

And you need to take me off of your /ignore list!

 

[Disone]

Yeah, just like Disney doesn't announce the name of the roller coaster company making their roller coasters (whether off the shelf or designed by WDI).

And you need to take me off of your /ignore list!

Oh sir 100% you are NOT on my ignore list and never have been.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Mousetrappe also didn't work for Minnie's Wonderful Christmas Time fireworks, which gave an indication that the projection in MWCT were done in-house.

I regard MWCT fireworks as MK's current best fireworks due to the choice of music and fireworks telling a great emotional narrative. And the projections didn't involve characters, but was all just very graphical (which means you didn't need to be right in the hub to appreciate the show).

So, if WDI did that all by themselves: kudos!!

 

[Disneyson]

I regard MWCT fireworks as MK's current best fireworks due to the choice of music and fireworks telling a great emotional narrative. And the projections didn't involve characters, but was all just very graphical (which means you didn't need to be right in the hub to appreciate the show).

So, if WDI did that all by themselves: kudos!!

Though I will say that, IMHO, it’s not an either-or thing. Just because (the original, pyro-filled) Happily Ever After had representational projections, doesn’t mean that the show was less enjoyable outside of the hub. Sure, there is a give and take especially with the Merida arrow, Grandma Tala, etc, but that’s always gonna be the case, even in Wishes with the Magic Mirror and Sorcerer’s Hat light effects. “Nerfing” the castle projections doesn’t to me improve views from Fantasyland or Grand Californian, it just worsens the hub experiences.

This feel, at least to me, like false equivalence, especially because some of those specialty HEA fireworks truly helped to tell the story all on their own. But I definitely respect your thought and will concede that if you’ve seen the show WITH the castle, you will feel less like you’re “missing something” with Minnie’s. Though… the main selling point of a Christmas Party is that you CAN watch from the hub without stress, and it would make sense to me to design a more hub-centric show for the parties.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

Watched a live stream last night. It's definitely improved. A good show has to have a good story. Enchantment is just a jumbled mess in the middle with weak narration. That's why Wishes will always be my favorite.

 

[DCBaker]

Question - is this still ending at the end of March, 2023? And if so, what does it mean in actuality for April? Will there be a new song during cavalcades or is Magic is Calling sticking around? New costumes (or old) for the characters? Castle stripped of decorations?

Just curious.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

April 1st begins the worlds most wondrus celebration! 100 years of Disney! I’m just kidding but I’m sure they won’t waste much time between “celebrations”