Sir_Cliff
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Good on them, but that's a bit of hyperbolic! As for it being long, isn't it a bit under 10minutes?
Again, better than Disney's no parade, but not sure it blows Soundsational (even less Magic Happens) out of the water.
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The World's Most Magical Celebration - Walt Disney World's 50th anniversary
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Again, better than Disney's no parade, but not sure it blows Soundsational (even less Magic Happens) out of the water.
Brenthodge
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Where it “blows them out of the water” is, in addition to multiple show stops, it uses an original song, creative float themes that are relevant and timely (based on the park icons and history for an anniversary-not just pulling established IP imagery) , is well populated, fun and interactive, and more than anything is TOTALLY ABOVE AND BEYOND for a regional park, compared to WAY below necessary for an international travel destination that was the manifestation of the final dream of one of the most visionary men who ever lived. So yeah, it totally blows Disney out of the water just for existing.
Brenthodge
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Stylistically Magic Happened and Festival of Fantasy are over the place. At least Soundational had a clear, singular design language that unified the parts into a greater whole. Magic can’t even decide which song it wants to use as it’s theme!
Disney Analyst
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Okay we get it, y’all are loving this 150
Celebration at Cedar Point. MK’s 50th is indeed not as grand as it should be, unlike Disneyland’s incredible 50th and relatively great 60th.
But it’s getting a bit tired, all these Cedar Point posts.
Celebration at Cedar Point. MK’s 50th is indeed not as grand as it should be, unlike Disneyland’s incredible 50th and relatively great 60th.
But it’s getting a bit tired, all these Cedar Point posts.
Disneyson
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Re: Cedar Point, I think it might not be as good on the large floats, but I really think that, considering that there is no IP, the "drum" floats in Soundsational look pretty weak compared to the smaller floats in this parade. The variety of stunts in this parade and the degree of difficulty is much higher here, too. There is also a LARGE number of performers. It looks to me like there are more performers in this parade than most daytime Disney parades (or at LEAST an equal amount). I think the main places where it lacks are the dancing, detail on the larger floats, leitmotiefs in the music changing slightly (this parade's music gets repetitive), and (if you care) the lack of IP. Otherwise I think it's a winner.
Moving away from the 150th (as requested above): I think that it's just stunning that Disney's doing (less than) 50 golden statues, using it's existing projectors to do a color wash on the icons, releasing two items that should have opened a year ago, a kite show, and a new fireworks show. The reason we keep bringing it back to CP is because they are doing what looks like, at first glance, an equal amount for their celebration (1 new ride, parade maps onto fireworks show, KiteTails maps roughly onto the finale show).
I think that I would be wary about putting too much pressure on "Disney Enchantment". Essentially, the entire 50th Anniversary is being carried on it's back (unless the kite show is incredibly good). Putting so much pressure on one entertainment offering, ESPECIALLY when replacing a beloved spectacular, is going to be really tenuous, and I think how the fans regard the entire celebration hangs on this show.
Moving away from the 150th (as requested above): I think that it's just stunning that Disney's doing (less than) 50 golden statues, using it's existing projectors to do a color wash on the icons, releasing two items that should have opened a year ago, a kite show, and a new fireworks show. The reason we keep bringing it back to CP is because they are doing what looks like, at first glance, an equal amount for their celebration (1 new ride, parade maps onto fireworks show, KiteTails maps roughly onto the finale show).
I think that I would be wary about putting too much pressure on "Disney Enchantment". Essentially, the entire 50th Anniversary is being carried on it's back (unless the kite show is incredibly good). Putting so much pressure on one entertainment offering, ESPECIALLY when replacing a beloved spectacular, is going to be really tenuous, and I think how the fans regard the entire celebration hangs on this show.
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Brenthodge
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Sorry we are using the efforts of smaller regional parks with less resources to highlight the penny penching efforts of one of the worlds largest entertainment conglomerates. Should we use Disney’s own history against them? Like a 30th anniversary at Disneyland that had the gift giver extraordinare that gave out cars, or a 15th at Disney world that did something similar, or a 25th that had a new day parade, and a (love it if hate it) very over the top castle trim package or a 20th with a day parade, Epcot daytime lagoon show, AND Spectromagic. Disney is replacing two existing nighttime spectacles, replacing a night one with a day one, adding lights to attractions, using existing infrastructure to light existing buildings, and delaying the opening of under construction attractions to have something to market. But yeah, I guess it does get annoying using Cedar Point to make them look bad, when they can do that on their own.
James Alucobond
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At this point, I feel it is unreasonable to expect or demand that more attractions open in time for the 50th. It is disappointing that not everything will be ready on the first day of the celebration, but the originally intended schedule obviously went off the rails due to circumstances beyond Disney's control. They could have managed their time better prior to COVID, but hindsight is 20/20.
Parades are a more reasonable request, but I think that if they must prioritize certain parts of the celebration over others, they're making the right decisions. I'd wager the nighttime spectaculars are much, much more important to the average guest, and as others have noted, the cavalcades are apparently still highly rated, which leads me to believe people just want to see their favorite characters at this point. Not that parades don't add substantially to the atmosphere, but I would be similarly inclined to put them toward the bottom of my list of things that need to return ASAP for the 50th if I were Disney. I get that some people are really into the parades, but yeah.
brb1006
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Also where's Charlie Brown, Lucy, and Snoopy?
Brenthodge
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I don’t feel like capitol expedetures that should have been made years ago really count as “anniversary plans” they are things they need to do to add capacity (or refresh existing attractions). With the entertainment options, it’s more “lateral moves” than adds. I guess it’s just time to expect less and less from those that used to give more.
Brenthodge
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They don’t really use that IP in parades or shows outside of the children’s areas. A miss I think. They really don’t use them as park mascots.
James Alucobond
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Grievances with deferred maintenance notwithstanding, I would certainly expect refreshes of and additions to existing attractions at a historic park to be part of anniversary plans. That the work needs to be done and that capacity desperately needs to be added does not mean that moves in that direction cannot or should not be incorporated into or counted as part of the 50th. Part of what's exciting about celebrations like this is that they're a great excuse to get long-needed things approved.
brb1006
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They did a similar thing with Dorney Park in Pennsylvania, the exception is Knott's Berry Farm.
Disney Analyst
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I get it. Believe me I do. but this isn’t the Cedar Point thread - you have valid points, but I don’t think this thread needs more videos or photos unrelated to the 50th.
Brenthodge
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People are using real world examples to highlight Disney’s shortcomings. I don’t think it’s being hi jacked into a cedar point discussion. If we were talking about their new chicken shack, then maybe, but I think it’s fair to point out where Disney is being “outshone” relative to cost of experience. I’m scared to mention Dollywoods use of drones in their nightly fireworks show this summer at the risk of being accused of having an in with Miss Parton herself.
and that may have to do with the fact that peanuts was at knotts prior to the acquisition. They may have chosen to “marry the two” but let the existing CrdarFair parks (who also had a liscencing deal) use the characters they were (relegated mostly to kids) and knotts more of a full park usage. But we best discuss that elsewhere. Some people are getting annoyed.
Brenthodge
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I agree, but it feels like those “needs to be done anyway” are taking the place of what they used to do for much lesser anniversary years.
James Alucobond
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The infrastructure upgrades will be with us for a long time and will benefit us for years to come. A 50th parade is enjoyable for 18 months, if that given the current uncertainty with live entertainment. Considering that they must make choices now that they're short-staffed and in a time crunch (even if they deserve the blame for some of that), I know where I'd rather they put their effort.
Disneyson
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I mean, I’ll bite. What’s being done is fantastic, and while I’m sure that this is a situation of having a nearby large patch of land to place the drones, I feel like there MUST be a location at Disney that can be cleared to do this, especially with the oft-quoted “blessing of size”.
I’m not really asking for new attractions to open any longer - I think that the problem here is the lack of easy things that COULD be doing and are plainly not. Re-introduction of Citizens of Hollywood. Bring PUSH back. Do an updated version of “Broadway at the Top”. Orange Bird Walk-Around, or even, like, a puppet flying around in the windows/balconies above the dole whip shack. Same with Figment, or even a Muppet Mobile Labs concept with Dreamfinder’s ship. Put the Earfful Tower back up. Pop-Up of Adventurer’s Club characters in the Jungle Cruise Canteen for some ridiculously pricy upcharge event. Bring back a few Tapestry of Nations puppets to have a cavalcade along with Mickey and Minnie. Get the Rivers of Light Shamans into the KiteTails show, and let them talk. Turn the castle into a birthday cake for 15 minutes in the evening. Put up a Toontown facade for the RailRoad for a limited time. Update the final scene of CoP. Hook and Smee on a Jetski outside of Grand Floridian.
It’s small stuff like this. There is no history being honored in this festival, and while other theme parks are celebrating their history with their fan service-centric celebrations this year (Cedar Point, HHN), Disney is making one-to-one swaps with existing entertainment and adding less than 50 statues to the park. I believe that’s why people are upset, not because TRON isn’t finished.
Brenthodge
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Ding ding ding. You win the “gets it” prize!
Brenthodge
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Considering what they charge, choices shouldn’t be that difficult to make. They clearly have chosen NOT to do things, blame it on the pandemic, and have apologists support their decisions with continued spending. While it wasn’t “Disney level” whatever THAT is these days, Kings Island just closed out a two week festival with additional entertainment, a nightly parade, majorly ramped up good offerings, themed decor throughout the park from parking toll booth to flower carts, and you know how much extra it cost the average day guest or passholders?Nothing (other than food or drink purchases) the point is guest experience is no longer the deciding factor in Disney’s planning rubric.
James Alucobond
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Should they be doing more given what we pay? Almost certainly. In light of the decision to reduce scope due to the time crunch, do I think they've diverted focus to the things I would prefer they focus on? For me, that's a yes as well. A parade just doesn't seem comparatively important to me, even if we "should" have one. Guest experience is factoring into the decisions even if not in the way you want; they're not giving guests everything that they perhaps deserve, but they are using the experience to weigh relative importance.