The time has come.....

[menamechris]

I'll let the quotes speak for themselves...

I suppose that was supposed to be clever. I'll give you a smiley for that However, the point seems to be missed by you comparing those two statements.

What Spirit is describing is how exactly this billion dollar+ investment is being actually used. No one truly knows. It is a P&C project that Disney refuses to comment on. And supposedly its full implementation could take up to a decade. What will its full impact be? Only Disney knows at this point.

However - there is no question that it is being used for guest data collection and getting into guests' wallets. This has even been reported as such by the media - both local and national. That is NOT a secret.

 

[Lee]

NextGen may be a watershed event here on this forum especially if/when guests accept and like the results. Several have put a lot of effort in trying to make it out to be evil and wasted effort.

But what if the opposite is true?
What if the benefits to the guest experience are either largely negative or underwhelming?

Nobody has the full story, and therefore making a negative judgement at this point is just as valid as making a positive one.

My present opinions are based on the information I currently have. Info that goes beyond cool keys or interactive games/queues. Could it turn out to be harmless? Sure, and I hope that's the case. But I'm erring on the side of caution. There is much potential for this to turn out...poorly...for the guest experience.

And he has determined that it is evil and will inflict class warfare upon the guests.

Not "will".
"May" or "can".

I hope it doesn't, but to just assume the best....

 

[bubbles1812]

I suppose that was supposed to be clever. I'll give you a smiley for that However, the point seems to be missed by you comparing those two statements.

What Spirit is describing is how exactly this billion dollar+ investment is being actually used. No one truly knows. It is a P&C project that Disney refuses to comment on. And supposedly its full implementation could take up to a decade. What will its full impact be? Only Disney knows at this point.

However - there is no question that it is being used for guest data collection and getting into guests' wallets. This has even been reported as such my the media - both local and national. That is NOT a secret.

@Wannabe... Everything Chris just said it correct. How NextGen is being implemented and all the exact details aren't known (though again, people know some info but no certainly not all). But the objective and goal really is no secret. As Chris said, it's been reported on repeatedly. Even beyond that, its pretty obvious. You said it yourself earlier..Disneu is first and foremost a business out to make money.

But anyways, the two statements you were comparing WERE NOT referring to the exact same thing so your comparison just seems rather silly. But I'll give you a too as point for trying.

Like lee said above, I'm erring on the side of caution with this one based on everything I've read and know up to this point. You can feel differently and that's perfectly fine. But I too see the potential in some of the new things come to potentially harm the guest experience for a good chucnk of Disney's visitors. And I truly hope I'm wrong. I don't root for WDW to fail

 

[Lee]

I suppose that was supposed to be clever. I'll give you a smiley for that However, the point seems to be missed by you comparing those two statements.

What Spirit is describing is how exactly this billion dollar+ investment is being actually used. No one truly knows. It is a P&C project that Disney refuses to comment on. And supposedly its full implementation could take up to a decade. What will its full impact be? Only Disney knows at this point.

However - there is no question that it is being used for guest data collection and getting into guests' wallets. This has even been reported as such my the media - both local and national. That is NOT a secret.

Exactly. It isn't just one thing.
The NextGen project has multiple aspects to it.
Is it cool room keys? Yes.
Is it interactive queues and rides? Yes.
Is it datamining? Yep.
Is it having a princess show up magically in a mirror to tell a kid goodnight? Uh-huh.
Is it cashless/careless payment systems? Yeah.
Is it a means for the company to get into guests' wallets with more ease? Absolutely.

NextGen is vague, nebulous and impossible to define with any accuracy.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Exactly. It isn't just one thing.
The NextGen project has multiple aspects to it.
Is it cool room keys? Yes.
Is it interactive queues and rides? Yes.
Is it datamining? Yep.
Is it having a princess show up magically in a mirror to tell a kid goodnight? Uh-huh.
Is it cashless/careless payment systems? Yeah.
Is it a means for the company to get into guests' wallets with more ease? Absolutely.

NextGen is vague, nebulous and impossible to define with any accuracy.

Good gosh. Is it coming to Disneyland?

 

[menamechris]

Good gosh. Is it coming to Disneyland?

I would imagine parts of it would. But I don't think Disneyland is as interested in taking advantage of the unassuming tourist as WDW is. Just my opinion, though...

 

[Californian Elitist]

I would imagine parts of it would. But I don't think Disneyland is as interested in taking advantage of the unassuming tourist as WDW is. Just my opinion, though...

I hope you're right.

 

[Disneyboy17]

How is it stupid and rude? While I think he strategy and what he was suggesting be done was a tad misguided in his approach, his sentiment of wishing for change wasn't. And I saw nothing that suggested it was rude. You talk about how the park has to evolve...well that's exactly what he was wanting/demanding...that Disney fix the problems they have and evolve into something better, get back to the quality that Disney used to have. And if your criticism was directed toward his criticism of NextGen...well, whatever it turns out to be, we know that it's primary goal is not to plus the guest experience but to get guests to spend more..11% or so more as many sources have stated. And if I actually have to book a ride many months in advance...that sounds just super! Not...

Pixie Dust can't pay for my groceries at publix, next generation will help improve guest flow yes working at wdw is magical but there is also a realization that WDW is part of a huge corporation that at the end of the day as much as faries an mouses an farm animals exist at the parks there goal is to make money!!!!

 

[yeti]

Really? Bite the hand that feeds you? Not even sure what you're trying to say. If Lee wants to share facts, he should. If he wants to share his opinion, he should. But I find the editorializing without facts suspect at best. I figured that would be his response when I asked for the facts and that's perfectly fine. He doesn't have to share. But I also stand by my assertion that he probably doesn't have the full story (yet).

Suspect? Go ahead. But blatantly making fun of/lambasting/being Jimmy Thick is a different matter entirely.

 

[yeti]

Disturbing as it sounds, I'm staring to feel like people who seem legitimately thrilled about WDW in its current and future state are lying to themselves in a "remember sammy jankis" sort of fashion. Anyone who reads boards like these, anyway- I excuse average tourists who love WDW without knowing how good it can actually be. Poor blokes.

 

[ddbowdoin]

Disturbing as it sounds, I'm staring to feel like people who seem legitimately thrilled about WDW in its current and future state are lying to themselves in a "remember sammy jankis" sort of fashion. Anyone who reads boards like these, anyway- I excuse average tourists who love WDW without knowing how good it can actually be. Poor blokes.

EXCELLENT memento reference... haha

 

[Lucky]

The person who created this discussion can go scratch. This is stupid an rude. I've worked for Disney for over 15 years in creative entertainment for the parks an could've worked at Apple or Simens an have gotten offers for other big companies as well. I create magic everyday how many people say they've attended meetings to make or attempt to create more articulated characters on Friday look at blue prints for the relocation of fotlk an oversee how new parade performers for CDCTP are being trained today. If we don't evolve as a park we woulnt evolve as an organization, people will think wdw is stale if we don't add updates an Walt wouldn't still want if you had wings as an attraction would he? All I can say is have a magical evening

Just had trouble following your post/train of thought. I'm not 100% sure I know what point(s) you were making.

Seemed fairly clear to me.

Pixie Dust can't pay for my groceries at publix, next generation will help improve guest flow yes working at wdw is magical but there is also a realization that WDW is part of a huge corporation that at the end of the day as much as faries an mouses an farm animals exist at the parks there goal is to make money!!!!

Is this one clear too, especially the part about the farm animals? I guess some of us don't have the secret de-coder ring.

 

[MagicMike]

This thread is really bumming me out.

 

[menamechris]

Pixie Dust can't pay for my groceries at publix, next generation will help improve guest flow yes working at wdw is magical but there is also a realization that WDW is part of a huge corporation that at the end of the day as much as faries an mouses an farm animals exist at the parks there goal is to make money!!!!

This is...odd. Are you saying if NextGen wasn't happening, you wouldn't be able to afford your groceries at Publix? If WDW is in that much financial trouble, NextGen won't turn that boat around.

What do you do exactly for Disney Creative Entertainment - just out of curiosity?

 

[rsoxguy]

This thread is really bumming me out.

Perhaps "the time has come" for this...

 

[yeti]

EXCELLENT memento reference... haha

 

[Tom]

Is this one clear too, especially the part about the farm animals? I guess some of us don't have the secret de-coder ring.

He's new. He doesn't know that punctuation is free on this forum. He also has the "Sentence Scrambler" app turned on.

This is...odd. Are you saying if NextGen wasn't happening, you wouldn't be able to afford your groceries at Publix? If WDW is in that much financial trouble, NextGen won't turn that boat around.

What do you do exactly for Disney Creative Entertainment - just out of curiosity?

Not Creative Writing or Proofreading.

 

[Disneyboy17]

This is...odd. Are you saying if NextGen wasn't happening, you wouldn't be able to afford your groceries at Publix? If WDW is in that much financial trouble, NextGen won't turn that boat around.

What do you do exactly for Disney Creative Entertainment - just out of curiosity?

I cannot disclose all of my details for What I do at Disney has Lee come out an says what he does? I've given a clue as to what I do an know I speak of I used publix as an example I shop at super target for my shower curtains an Walmart for my milk geez some ppl on here nit pick everything!!

 

[Lee]

I do nothing....

 

[Disneyboy17]

Not Creative Writing or Proofreading.[/quote]

Definitely not that good try though!