The Spirited Back Nine ...

[Sped2424]

What else could be in the BatB area? It seems massive. I can imagine Beast's Castle and a little village but it seems to be much bigger than that.

Honestly it should have been bigger, the town belle lives in could have been huge over here and not just a tavern and one shop sadly. Man just imagine how great new fantasyland could have been here with the right budget and them using cosmic rays and the speedway. Could have been something special. What's even more interesting, is unlike our mini beast castle it seems they are actually getting a real castle for their possible be our guest entrance. Ah tdo you're paining my heart.

 

[wdwmagic]

Remember there is a dedicated section for the Asia parks at http://forums.wdwmagic.com/forums/tokyo-hong-kong-and-shanghai.40/

 

[danlb_2000]

Just booked my vacation for next year. Nov 13-16 at the Hard Rock at UNI and Nov 16-22 at the Polynesian. Never stayed there before so hopefully its a good resort. Here's to praying that the parks are not a huge mess, or at least that the Christmas decor will be up to cover any issues. We as a family have never been to Disney when the Christmas stuff is out, is it just as beautiful as you would think it to be? Any insight?

Major projects at the Poly and Magic Kingdom should be done by then so they should be ok, AK and DHS, maybe not.

 

[TalkingHead]

We as a family have never been to Disney when the Christmas stuff is out, is it just as beautiful as you would think it to be? Any insight?

Personally, I think WDW and Uni do a poor job decorating for Christmas (or is it "Winter Holidays"?). And the decorations have just gotten more limited at WDW over the years.

In fact, the best Orlando park for Xmas decorations and entertainment is SeaWorld, which has numerous seasonal shows available to day guests.

 

[Zac Skellington]

I was receiving brain-washing signals through my Magical Tracking Band (Silver Shamrock style.)

Lol! 1982, I remember it well...

 

[SirLink]

Many in the "casual" community don't even know that Disney exists outside of the United States. And it's not like OLC is going to do a big marketing campaign here in the US about it. You rarely EVER here about TDLR news here in the US.

Heard some stuff that OLC has been meeting with various Travel Agencies across Europe (e.g. Virgin Holidays, Thomas Cook, unpronounceable Danish one, etc.) to increase their presence at the expense of WDW... hell even Anaheim will get more consideration than WDW in the next decade with European Travel Agents.

 

[Bolna]

Heard some stuff that OLC has been meeting with various Travel Agencies across Europe (e.g. Virgin Holidays, Thomas Cook, unpronounceable Danish one, etc.) to increase their presence at the expense of WDW... hell even Anaheim will get more consideration than WDW in the next decade with European Travel Agents.

Japan is certainly becoming more of a tourist destination here in Europe. Considering that flights are only slightly longer than to the U.S., it really is not that far away at all! Will be interesting to see if TDL will appear in travel brochures!

 

[John]

It's a little soon to feel burned isn't it? You and all the rest of us have no idea what is going in there. You are reacting strictly to your own imagination. Kiddie rides might be first, who knows, but they are the fastest to get built and operational in a park that needs things for kids AND things in general.

You are correct about the original essence being out of there. That happened the day they closed the working studio, which was ages ago. You cannot show how to make movies if you are not making movies. They gave it a shot and it didn't work financially or practically, such is life.

Also, I don't think that anyone is saying that they welcome that particular part of the project, if it is indeed a part of it, however, they are appearing to be doing something which is more then we have seen in years. It's what people have been saying... Curse them because they are doing nothing and then curse them when they do start but it doesn't agree with what we, as individuals, might what to see. There is no way to win, is there?

Ahhhhh my old ( not your age...) Goofyernmost, how did I know this was coming? Of course I am reacting to my own imagination. Isnt that what we do here? You are a smart guy so I wont even drop the "its a discussion board" on you. I would say its three things. My imagination, the information which was given to us by 74 and what WDW history has happened. Its no secret I don't have a positive POV where it comes to TDO.....you do. That's fine.

Financially or practically? isn't that a summation also? You seem to take it at face value. I am not buying it. There are many attractions and entertainment that you can not link a financial statement to as being worthy of existing. Come on we all have had this discussion before. Now the studio at the park may have not been a profitable studio but it was a part of the experience as you mentioned.

I am not cursing them because they are doing something. Trust me I want to applaud them. I want to love what they are doing. Carnival rides under ANY circumstance is not OK with me. Ok with you? That's fine, agree to disagree.

There were those that were OK with the Carnival rides if they were "well themed" . Do you want me to name names?

side bar: Seems the PML is living up to their well deserved reputation. If someone who reads and participates in a Spirited thread they are considered to have contracted the "Spirited virus".

 

[sshindel]

side bar: Seems the PML is living up to their well deserved reputation. If someone who reads and participates in a Spirited thread they are considered to have contracted the "Spirited virus".

Careful with the "they". Some folks posting in the PML also are defending people posting in the Spirited threads, as they themselves are posting there.

 

[NemoRocks78]

side bar: Seems the PML is living up to their well deserved reputation. If someone who reads and participates in a Spirited thread they are considered to have contracted the "Spirited virus".

Well deserved reputation? Were you not a member for a year or two?

 

[sshindel]

side bar: Seems the PML is living up to their well deserved reputation. If someone who reads and participates in a Spirited thread they are considered to have contracted the "Spirited virus".

In the sense of full disclosure, here are the posts in which I have talked in the PML about your earlier post. I did mean to come in here and respond directly to it, but in all honesty, after thinking and typing all of this, I decided that I saw enough of your side of things that I didn't feel the need to bring it in this thread to discuss it. Call it therapeutic.

There is one tiny piece I will cut out of my longer post, and I cut it for the reason that I used the tiniest bit of information that I remember gathering from you when you were a member in the PML. I don't think it's info you'd be upset over me posting even out here, but since I'm not 100% sure how much you share with the world-at-large on the internet, I decided to cut it anyway. If you want to know what I cut, please feel free to PM me, or ask whomever is coming into the PML and reporting back out.

Honest question. Did I miss where the entire DHS makeover was going to be carnival rides and half built cars attractions? For 1.2 - 1.6 Billion?

Who said that?

Ok, so I'm exaggerating a touch, and I'll admit that. It was based on a post from John (whom I've always liked and respected, wait that shouldn't be past tense, whom I like and respect):

I would bet anything that the last thing we will see is anything SW. probably the first thing will be the kiddie carnival rides. I don't care what they are themed or how well they are carnival rides. personally I can not believe some of the posters here that seem to be Ok with it.....well if they are well themed......huh? That's acceptable. Then go on to say that they exist elsewhere in the parks....huh? That too is acceptable? Carni rides are CHEAP, uninspiring and unimaginative!....hello! Again what I have read is that most will be geared to the kiddies. Nothing wrong with that if you are a child or have children. But if you are an adult.......well.

Now we can hold out hope that SW will have some spectacular E Ticket. But will it? We don't really have to look no further then FL to see TDO's recent work. Very beautiful....substance....not so much. DHS even though it lacked much for the kids ( actually lacked much in the way of rides for anybody ) was an incredible park. The theming, the ambiance I would say was as good as any of the O-Town theme parks. As we all know TDO and Eisner rushed the park to open because of a new park opening up the road. WHat they lacked in rides and attractions they went with street-mosphere, a true sense of a real working studio. What they did provide was an EXPERIENCE!

SO then slowly but surely they cut most of everything we loved. The "essence" of the park is long gone. They now have cut attractions. SO what they did was stripped the park down to the bare bones. The first thing we will do is put in CARNIVAL rides and somehow there are people who welcome this? Are you kidding me? Tell me people what attraction or ride could be worse then a carnival ride? Whats a lower class attraction? There is none! So you will be happy with the bottom? Oh but it will be themed so well.....pppppffffffttttt!!!!!!

So Shindle you answered your own rhetorical question. Yea we are feeling just a little burned.

I get the feeling of being burned from what has been put out in the last few dozen years. I get his position a little because from what I remember he visits the parks <redacted family info>. I know that everyone without kids is sick of kids attractions being put in, especially after NFL was basically a wash for everyone without that demographic.

I guess my two thoughts here that were so disconnected with his post were:
1) DHS does need child-friendly rides, and being blunt, I'd rather them put a little less money into a couple (well themed) spinners and whatnot to fill out that need, and have a little more money for expanding the other offerings. They could drop a few hundred million on one nice dark ride sure, or a few hundred million to build a few child-friendly attractions, and then have more bang for their buck. Kids love amazing dark attractions, but they love Dumbo nearly as much. And honestly, as much as I loved Peter Pan's Flight as a kid, it just doesn't hold up, and I'd rather spend 1/2 the time standing in line for Dumbo with my kid than PPF. Maybe PPF is a bad example, as it really does not hold up to adult scrutiny as well, and is so far past needing an update that it's kind of embarrassing. I digress too much. Anyway, I can't poo-poo "Carnival" attractions until I know and see the entire makeup of the redo. If they roll out 1.2 billion dollars of updates, and they are all carnival rides, I'll help lead the pitchfork parade.
2) DHS was, at one point, a well themed park, but I can barely remember the last time I felt that way. It's such a jumbled mess, and has been for so long that I've ranked it as the absolute bottom of the barrel for "theme" in the entire Disney resort, including both water parks (one of which I've never stepped foot in). It's the park on my trips that I wish I could convince the family to jettison. Actually, there are two of them. I wish I could convince my family to do a trip of just MK and DAK, but that's beside the point. I don't think DHS has been "beautiful" for many, many years. I truly hope that some of that budget goes to actually help improve the theme of the park, because I can think of two places in the park that I actually feel are well themed (the very beginning of Hollywood Blvd, and a stretch of Sunset Blvd, which is done just as well or better over at USF). Oh, and the Muppet area, but that is a personal bias because I worship those little felt creatures.

Overall though, I've said it out in the Spirit thread, but without any details on the overhaul, which I know that you and other insiders are not at liberty to divulge yet, I'm not ready to crap all over it. I'm going to put on my standard "cautiously optimistic" hat so that I can be happily surprised if something good is announced, and only slightly disappointed if something underwhelming is set to be built. Maybe I've just not been following the rumors close enough to feel confident about the entire makeup of the redo.

I don't want you to think I'm talking about you behind your back, because as above, I do like and respect you.

 

[xdan0920]

side bar: Seems the PML is living up to their well deserved reputation. If someone who reads and participates in a Spirited thread they are considered to have contracted the "Spirited virus".

what's the reputation?

People that make small donations to WDWMagic to support all the work Steve @wdwmagic puts into running it?

Seems like a good reputation to me.

Maybe you are referring to something else though.

Careful with the "they". Some folks posting in the PML also are defending people posting in the Spirited threads, as they themselves are posting there.

Wrong buddy. Apparantly if there is a Premium Member badge next to your name, you are part of whatever it is we are evidently a part of. We are all of one mind.

 

[Sped2424]

Well deserved reputation? Were you not a member for a year or two?

What is pml??

 

[stevehousse]

What is pml??

Premium members lounge...a small forum on here only for premium members to chat in and post.

 

[Hakunamatata]

What is pml??

Premium Member Lounge


Hale Hydra

 

[RayTheFirefly]

What is pml??

I think we stumbled onto a quarrel of a secret society or something.

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[John]

In the sense of full disclosure, here are the posts in which I have talked in the PML about your earlier post. I did mean to come in here and respond directly to it, but in all honesty, after thinking and typing all of this, I decided that I saw enough of your side of things that I didn't feel the need to bring it in this thread to discuss it. Call it therapeutic.

There is one tiny piece I will cut out of my longer post, and I cut it for the reason that I used the tiniest bit of information that I remember gathering from you when you were a member in the PML. I don't think it's info you'd be upset over me posting even out here, but since I'm not 100% sure how much you share with the world-at-large on the internet, I decided to cut it anyway. If you want to know what I cut, please feel free to PM me, or ask whomever is coming into the PML and reporting back out.

SShindle it had nothing to do with you one single bit. I to respect you and always had a great online relationship with you and most of the PML members. In fact there is no other member here I respect more then Richard. Truly a great guy. I have even met some really nice people from the PML in the real world and consider them friends. Really good people. But I just think its uncool to say something disparaging about someone when they are not there to defend themselves. But in retrospect it was once said..." Its non of our business what others think of us". So I will consider this a dead issue......I should have just let it roll off my back. No need to cause a blue page bru ha ha.

As far as the "reputation" is concerned. Well I have been around long enough to know why there is one. I think you are right, I should be careful with the "they". I will not name names. It really isn't called for. Remember, nothing said in the PML stays in the PML. Just have to remind everybody once in a while.

Maybe Steve should give me a cut, you know there will be people scrambling to pay up to get access....like they might be missing something....LOL











I don't want you to think I'm talking about you behind your back, because as above, I do like and respect you.

 

[ProfSavage]

Sitting here at my computer like...

 

[John]

Well deserved reputation? Were you not a member for a year or two?

Yes, I was.

You are a good dude James, It has nothing to do with you. The problem is without singling one person or another everyone gets lumped together. What happened has happened in the past and probably will happen in the future. Always one bad apple. Heck I may even be guilty of it. Doesn't make me feel any better being on the receiving end.

 

[WDW1974]

Just a note or two on all the TDR excitement:

Frozen/Arrendale (or is it Arrendelle or how about Oslo?) is going to be the new port at TDS. The highlight will be a HUGE scale modern attraction that will cost (on the low end) $350 million plus.

EDIT: since gotten note that price may be higher because of 'nature' of showbuilding (I am betting on the giant ice castle that I suggested months ago for MK!)

Also, right now, they are not doing a BoG despite what people think they are seeing in art

Back to OP ...

No Frozen product beyond entertainment will be going in TDL;

No, the SDMT isn't going to TDL;

The Raceway, the StarJets and the Tomorrowland Terrace (the absolute worst place you could eat in a park of great food) are going bye-bye;

Shockingly they will be relocating Small World just a bit over into what was Tomorrowland;

Looks like a restaurant that overlooks the parade route will wind up where TT sits now in its 70s glory;

This won't all be built by 2017, but most work will commence by then and some may well be done;

There is no Candyland/Sugar Rush/Wreck It Ralph component. There is an expanded Alice in Wonderland presence, which includes an attraction (or two);

When all is said and done, I wish I could tell you that the makeover/rebranding of TPFKaTD-MGMS will be as impressive as either the work in just one of Tokyo's parks. But I am not and can not.

About some of the PML drama here ... my opinion hasn't changed. Posters shouldn't be using it as a defacto gossip room about other members. If someone wants to comment on this or any other thread, then do it here or there. I never say something here about anyone that I wouldn't say to their face in the real world. If my threads are interesting enough to read and comment on, then you might as well be an adult and put your thoughts here.