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GoofGoof

Premium Member
LOL, all he did was say it was based off the movies and not the books. Wow. Yes, the movies were based off the books and the fans would expect the areas to be out of the movies.
All of the Harry Potter locations in the park are places that existed in the books. They existed in the movies too, but the books came first. If there was a difference between the books and the movies and there were locations or characters that were only part of the movies that didn't exist in the books then I could see making an argument that the park is based on the movies and not the books.
 

ThemeParkJunkee

Well-Known Member
The conversation here today has been very interesting to me. I love theme parks precisely because they are themed. However, I also love roller coasters (and other types of thrill rides) for the fact the are very re-rideable. On my recent trip to Orlando, I really, really liked Busch Gardens Tampa. Certainly, there is an overall theme carried throughout the park, but not every "land" is heavily themed to it's location. If my belongings were already in the locker (cost money to use), I would re-ride many attractions. I had a better time here than I did at DHS, AK or Epcot.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Why wouldnt it be? Lets say they designed it based of the books and it came out looking much different than what people had seen in the movies. Wouldnt that just confuse people?

I agree with this. When @SJN1279 said "based on the movies not the books" I was thinking more in terms of the stories themselves not the physical structures. Of course they had to make the physical buildings look like the ones in the movies and they used the actors from the movies because that's what people already know. It's still all based on the books.
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
You do know the movies were based off of books right? The books came first. Same with Jurassic park.

This is incidental.

I've never been persuaded by the argument that Islands is somehow based on "literature".
It's based on popular IPs in general; it just happens that most IPs appear as written material first, mostly because movie studios value caution over originality and would prefer to adapt a successful novel or comic book rather than produce something brand new out of whole cloth. Walt Disney himself had the same mindset.

Look at the Islands of Adventure interpretation of Jurassic Park for a moment; it's clearly based off the film, not the novel. All the architecture, logos, individual dinosaur designs, the paint schemes of the vehicles, music, etc. etc. etc. are taken directly from the film, not the novel, and in any situation where the novel is in conflict with the film the film trumps it. For starters, why is John Hammond still alive and giving the preshow narration? If they were basing the attraction off the the novel, Hammond is Procompsognathus chow.

What about Dudley-Do-Right? He's always been a television character.

If this were indeed a literature park rather than an IP (movies included) park, you would have had Michael Crichton, not Steven Spielberg dedicating the ride when they opened it.
 
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twebber55

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I agree with this. When @SJN1279 said "based on the movies not the books" I was thinking more in terms of the stories themselves not the physical structures. Of course they had to make the physical buildings look like the ones in the movies and they used the actors from the movies because that's what people already know. It's still all based on the books.
agree....silly argument really...
 

spacemt354

Chili's
All of the Harry Potter locations in the park are places that existed in the books. They existed in the movies too, but the books came first. If there was a difference between the books and the movies and there were locations or characters that were only part of the movies that didn't exist in the books then I could see making an argument that the park is based on the movies and not the books.

I read the books a long time ago but I don't recall a roller coaster type description to the gringotts bank scene as seen in the film. Even the first film staged the gringotts vaults quite differently. So one could make the argument that the escape from gringotts ride is based on the films more than the books. Though one could also make the argument that it's based on neither since most of the ride didn't happen in either.
 

SirLink

Well-Known Member
This is incidental.

I've never been persuaded by the argument that Islands is somehow based on "literature".
It's based on popular IPs in general; it just happens that most IPs appear as written material first, mostly because movie studios value caution over originality and would prefer to adapt a successful novel or comic book rather than produce something brand new out of whole cloth. Walt Disney himself had the same mindset.

Look at the Islands of Adventure interpretation of Jurassic Park for a moment; it's clearly based off the film, not the novel. All the architecture, logos, individual dinosaur designs, the paint schemes of the vehicles, music, etc. etc. etc. are taken directly from the film, not the novel, and in any situation where the novel is in conflict with the film the film trumps it. For starters, why is John Hammond still alive and giving the preshow narration? If they were basing the attraction off the the novel, Hammond is Procompsognathus chow.

What about Dudley-Do-Right? He's always been a television character.

If this were indeed a literature park rather than an IP (movies included) park, you would have had Michael Crichton, not Steven Spielberg dedicating the ride when the opened it.

I would hazard a guess that they got Steven Speilberg seen as he helped with projects in IoA e.g. Dueling Dragons.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
This is incidental.

I dont think its incidental. Any idea spawned from the original story (the book) would not be possible had the book itself never been written. Regardless of how far a movie or attraction strays from the book its based on, its very creation is only due to the fact the book was written. They could make a Jurassic Park story in which John Hammonds DNA is crossed with a banana and he comes back as a human/fruit hybrid monster, then they could make an attraction based off that,.. its still based off the book.

(this post is strictly in response to your reply of, "its incidental" to @GoofGoof 's post, not any of the IOA is based off literature remarks, in which I believe you make a very good point)
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
I would hazard a guess that they got Steven Speilberg seen as he helped with projects in IoA e.g. Dueling Dragons.

That's barely public knowledge.
They used Spielberg because he's the public face of the Jurassic Park IP (which was and is the filmed version) and has always been strongly associated with his other IPs adapted by Universal (Jaws, ET, An American Tail, etc.)

Again, how do you reconcile Dudley Do-Right?
It's an IP park, not a literature park. Always has been.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I read the books a long time ago but I don't recall a roller coaster type description to the gringotts bank scene as seen in the film. Even the first film staged the gringotts vaults quite differently. So one could make the argument that the escape from gringotts ride is based on the films more than the books. Though one could also make the argument that it's based on neither since most of the ride didn't happen in either.
Actually it's in the first book when Harry and Hagrid go to get his money and the sorcerers stone. It describes how Hagrid feels sick from the ride and he even asks the Golblin to go slower.

"Based on" doesn't mean the ride has to follow the exact plot. Is Star Tours based on Star Wars? It doesn't follow the plot of any specific movie.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Actually it's in the first book when Harry and Hagrid go to get his money and the sorcerers stone. It describes how Hagrid feels sick from the ride and he even asks the Golblin to go slower.

"Based on" doesn't mean the ride has to follow the exact plot. Is Star Tours based on Star Wars? It doesn't follow the plot of any specific movie.
I never said it had to. But I can understand to an extent where the original poster is coming from. I'm not saying I agree, but I can see the viewpoint.

I don't understand why people were jumping on that poster's viewpoint.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I never said it had to. But I can understand to an extent where the original poster is coming from. I'm not saying I agree, but I can see the viewpoint.

I don't understand why people were jumping on that poster's viewpoint.
I'm still not sure I really understand where he was coming from and I don't see how questioning his post is jumping on him. Like others have said, it's a silly argument so in the words of Forest Gump "that's all I have to say about that";)
 

AMartin767

Active Member
Unfortunately, Maelstrom to Frozen is a good example. Do you think the average guest is going to care that Frozen has taken over and isn't really appropriate? Maybe but in the long run, no, they won't.

In the short term, no they won't notice the difference or care. But, in the long run, if the parks slowly devolve into marginalized places with lack of unique, appropriately themed and located attractions, they will find no reason to single out Disney over any other mediocre experience. Disney parks were conceived and built on the very foundation of the idea that they were offering something different and unique in the theme park realm. Guests are not walking around actively taking notice if these attractions are appropriately located or well themed or integral to the overall experience, no. Those very things are what Disney parks do WITHOUT THE GUEST BEING AWARE OF IT. That's the beauty of a well integrated, well themed, cohesive experience in a park. Make no mistake, the guest is aware of all these things instinctively and are just as likely to lose interest without putting a specific finger on why. THAT is what we are talking about here. We as Disney geeks/fanatics (whatever you want to label myself and others) discuss and debate, observe and ponder, wonder and research, investigate and speculate. We notice these intrinsic ideals because we are specifically looking for them and we KNOW they impact the guest experience for those who do not. Poor decisions about theme, location and integration will absolutely affect the common Disney guest, often without them even knowing and WILL affect their vacation choices over the long run.
 
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Matt7187

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At Target right now. I see the quality control for the christmas stufff is roughly the same as last years.

Sidenote but her expression is exactly how i feel right now. This store is mobbed.

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