The Spirit Takes the Fifth ...

[lebeau]

So, there are definitely different audiences between the comics and the television show. The comics are a depressing slog through the worst of humanity and when Judith dies, it's just another "Oh, really? Of course, it's the walking dead". But the TV show has been a slow burn on the morality vs survival thing and killing off the baby isn't going to go over well. But they may surprise us, who knows. I'd like to think there's a universe where an innocent child doesn't die, so, that's what I'm hoping for.

I suspect the question of Judith's fate will never be fully answered unless the show runs for several years. When she is old enough to be played by a child actor, she may show up. I fully expect some nonsensical answer like one of the RV crew picked her up and got her to safety. Although why they would take her out of the car seat during a gunfight/zombie attack is beyond me.

The comic has devolved into non-stop nihilism. But I think you are giving the TV show way too much credit. I can't take its morality seriously because it keeps changing sometimes within the same episode. Usually half the fun of watching the show is laughing at the stuff that doesn't make sense.

And calling the show a "slow burn" is putting the best possible spin on its glacial pacing. Mad Men and Breaking Bad are slow burns. Walking Dead is slow.

 

[lebeau]

Only Demi's version is available in full. The IM versions are snippets from D23, Disneyland, and some bootlegged stuff. Listen to enough of them and you can satisfy your itch. Or ... settle for Demi.

My kids will be satisfied with the Levato music video. But I really want to watch the spectacle of Elsa creating the ice palace and letting her powers go again. It was just so joyful to watch her cut loose after years of repression. Very empowering.

My biggest gripe with the movie was that her sainted parents actually gave her terrible life lessons about concealing her true self.

 

[JenniferS]

My kids will be satisfied with the Levato music video. But I really want to watch the spectacle of Elsa creating the ice palace and letting her powers go again. It was just so joyful to watch her cut loose after years of repression. Very empowering.

My biggest gripe with the movie was that her sainted parents actually gave her terrible life lessons about concealing her true self.

Yep - on all points.

 

[tissandtully]

I suspect the question of Judith's fate will never be fully answered unless the show runs for several years. When she is old enough to be played by a child actor, she may show up. I fully expect some nonsensical answer like one of the RV crew picked her up and got her to safety. Although why they would take her out of the car seat during a gunfight/zombie attack is beyond me.

The comic has devolved into non-stop nihilism. But I think you are giving the TV show way too much credit. I can't take its morality seriously because it keeps changing sometimes within the same episode. Usually half the fun of watching the show is laughing at the stuff that doesn't make sense.

And calling the show a "slow burn" is putting the best possible spin on its glacial pacing. Mad Men and Breaking Bad are slow burns. Walking Dead is slow.

AMC has every intention of renewing this show for 10 years, I've read that somewhere. Of course, those who have read issue 100 know what a messed up mind Kirkman has, and that things have barely been started on the TV show. I'm looking forward to you know who showing up in February, that should be fun.

 

[Cesar R M]

Try traveling with photo gear on an E-190.... In heavy weather.

E-190 as in embraer?

honestly, Its worse on the ERJ series.. tiny plane.. and shakes like a fighter jet.

 

[Funmeister]

You could not be more wrong. You could try, but you would fail.

There was quite a bit of info in the opening scenes. And it ALL paid off later. Maybe it could have paid off bigger than it did.

And the songs? You're along in that opinion. Every review praises the songs as ready for Broadway.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. The movie isn't perfect. But your particular criticisms mystify me.

Of course, Wreck It Ralph was good too. So, I suppose we just have wildly different taste in movies.

Since when were opinions "wrong?"

 

[tissandtully]

Since when were opinions "wrong?"

When they aren't your own...

 

[Funmeister]

The full animated sequence of "Let it Go" is on the Walt Disney Animation Facebook page legally here: https://www.facebook.com/DisneyAnimation

 

[TP2000]

Hoodies and crocs? That's OK for Denny's, maybe even Red Lobster, but who goes to an upscale restaurant dressed like that? Oh yeah, trash. Any comments @TP2000?

First of all, how are these people even still wearing crocs? I thought the croc company went out of business? Seriously.

But then I just have to remember that I've given up on most of the current WDW demographic being able to dress appropriately for the correct situation. There are clothes you wear to run errands at your local WalMart, and there are clothes you wear to an expensive dinner in the rooftop dining room of a big hotel. Those two sets of clothes are not the same. Unless you are not intelligent.

 

[lebeau]

Since when were opinions "wrong?"

I almost put a after that. I knew I should have. It was to be read in a Chandler Bing voice.

Having said that, everyone may be entitled to their opinion. But some opinions are wrong. For example, if you think Citizen Kane is a bad movie, you are wrong. Your opinion is your own. But clearly someone holding that opinion does not understand the medium well enough to know good from bad.

I am ignorant about wine. I wouldn't know a good wine from a bad one. My opinion on the subject is worthless. A wine connoisseur would have more valid opinions.

I was mostly kidding when I said the OPs opinions were wrong. But I'm also a little serious. Opinions can be without merit.

The full animated sequence of "Let it Go" is on the Walt Disney Animation Facebook page legally here: https://www.facebook.com/DisneyAnimation

Thank you for the link!!

 

[JenniferS]

The full animated sequence of "Let it Go" is on the Walt Disney Animation Facebook page legally here: https://www.facebook.com/DisneyAnimation

Thank you.
I just watched the whole thing. Twice. Still gives me chills.

 

[lebeau]

Thank you.
I just watched the whole thing. Twice. Still gives me chills.

You and me both. It was even better than I remembered.

Frozen is easily my favorite movie I have seen in theaters this year. It's a great movie.

 

[Funmeister]

I almost put a after that. I knew I should have. It was to be read in a Chandler Bing voice.

Having said that, everyone may be entitled to their opinion. But some opinions are wrong. For example, if you think Citizen Kane is a bad movie, you are wrong. Your opinion is your own. But clearly someone holding that opinion does not understand the medium well enough to know good from bad.

I am ignorant about wine. I wouldn't know a good wine from a bad one. My opinion on the subject is worthless. A wine connoisseur would have more valid opinions.

I was mostly kidding when I said the OPs opinions were wrong. But I'm also a little serious. Opinions can be without merit.



Thank you for the link!!

I think you may be confusing opinions with knowledge. Just because you have no knowledge of wine does not mean your opinion is not valid. It just means you are not educated about wine. You may prefer merlot for taste but pair it with a less favorable meal. Even though your opinion of the wine (that you like it) does not mesh with what food it should be consumed with (knowledge) does not mean your opinion about the taste of the wine does not count.

Let's not get into this. Let's get it back on track before we are forced to wear magicbands for 24 hours. lol

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Just because you have no knowledge of wine does not mean your opinion is not valid.

Can't really say I agree with this logic. If I have an opinion on a medical subject, but with no medical background or relevant education is it still "valid"? Not really. It's just an opinion.

I know it's "polite" to say "eveyone's opinion is valid", but really, common sense says otherwise.

 

[lebeau]

Can't really say I agree with this logic. If I have an opinion on a medical subject, but with no medical background or relevant education is it still "valid"? Not really. It's just an opinion.

I know it's "polite" to say "eveyone's opinion is valid", but really, common sense says otherwise.

Exactly.

People have lots of invaid (wrong) opinions. A lot of times, people don't like a work of art (or movie) because they don't understand it well enough to appreciate the craftsmanship. There are movies I don't especially like to watch. But I acknowledge that they are well made.

"It's just not my personal taste" is a valid opinion. "It's a bad movie" is not.

Conversely, there are movies that aren't especially well crafted that I enjoy immensely.

"I know it's kind of dumb, but I enjoy it" is a valid opinion. "That movie was the best movie ever!" is not.

Going back to the original post on Frozen, I can accept that someone didn't appreciate the movie. It's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. But if you don't appreciate that the songs were exceptional, you're wrong. They are.

 

[Funmeister]

Exactly.

People have lots of invaid (wrong) opinions. A lot of times, people don't like a work of art (or movie) because they don't understand it well enough to appreciate the craftsmanship. There are movies I don't especially like to watch. But I acknowledge that they are well made.

"It's just not my personal taste" is a valid opinion. "It's a bad movie" is not.

Conversely, there are movies that aren't especially well crafted that I enjoy immensely.

"I know it's kind of dumb, but I enjoy it" is a valid opinion. "That movie was the best movie ever!" is not.

Going back to the original post on Frozen, I can accept that someone didn't appreciate the movie. It's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. But if you don't appreciate that the songs were exceptional, you're wrong. They are.

There were a lot of bored toddlers and kids in the showing I experienced. I feel it was an excellent movie. It should definitely be considered for Walt Disney Theatrical. Not fair to compare it to Lion King. Lion King is much more appealing than Frozen to smaller children musically and visually. After 15 or 20 min in I could hear kids asking parents for more Mickey Mouse. lol

 

[Funmeister]

Beginning to think that maybe New Fantasyland would have been much better if they built a mega multi-princess dark ride attraction and utilized the remaining space for Alice expansion (as originally envisioned) and maybe a unique villains element? Upgrade Pinocchio's and add Daring Journey next to it where Be Our Guest is currently located. I think that would have been much more bang for the Disney buck. You could still keep Snow White in that scenario.

 

[choco choco]

"It's just not my personal taste" is a valid opinion. "It's a bad movie" is not.

Going back to the original post on Frozen, I can accept that someone didn't appreciate the movie. It's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. But if you don't appreciate that the songs were exceptional, you're wrong. They are.

It's nice we can have a discussion in a discussion forum. Debate is fun.

Right, I never said Frozen was a bad movie (I believe my exact words were "solid double.") I also never said the songs were bad, I said they "aren't quite there," which basically means another pass at them, maybe fleshing out a verse or melody here or there, could have resulted in more. I believe the Lopez's are capable of better work (get thee to BOOK OF MORMON!).

I tend to critique movies based on potential. This is why I'm so hard on Brave, which was a great idea chopped to incoherence - that makes it bad. But I think Monsters University is pretty good. That idea always sucked, so them getting anything watchable out of it at all is amazing, and I'm willing to call it good. Frozen as a tale of sisterly relations is brilliant, and I don't think they got as deep as they could have. Points docked for wasted potential.

It's good you liked the movie. It's good your kids like musicals!!!! Nothing would be worse than for this movie to flop, Disney misinterpreting it as people not liking musicals, like they did with hand-drawn animation, and then never making another one. Never leave me, Disney musicals.

I gather I'm alone on the Wreck-It-Ralph branch. Not just in this forum but among people I know too. Something about it just didn't sit right with me.

 

[mahnamahna101]

Beginning to think that maybe New Fantasyland would have been much better if they built a mega multi-princess dark ride attraction and utilized the remaining space for Alice expansion (as originally envisioned) and maybe a unique villains element? Upgrade Pinocchio's and add Daring Journey next to it where Be Our Guest is currently located. I think that would have been much more bang for the Disney buck. You could still keep Snow White in that scenario.

If they totally imploded Tomorrowland Speedway for Alice and Wreck-it Ralph, I don't think anyone would bat an eye

Alice maze
Alice dark ride
Cheshire Cat family coaster (theming and swooping)
Red Queen dining hall
Tea Cups relocated and enclosed (neon and SFX are added)
Wreck-it Ralph E-ticket (MIB:AA meets Test Track)

Over... a gas-guzzling kiddie ride

Not to mention Storybook Circus where Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is (Mickey fun house C-ticket and Dueling Dumbos), Little Mermaid upgraded to E-ticket status, BATB area and Tangled bathrooms are same as is, Snow White stays as is but gets a massive facelift while World Dr. is reworked to allow for Frozen and Giants (the next Disney musical) to get a shoot-the-chutes (38" height requirement) and mini-ToT (34") respectively.

In the end... you get 3-5 additions with ZERO replacements but TDO would never think like this lol

 

[lebeau]

There were a lot of bored toddlers and kids in the showing I experienced. I feel it was an excellent movie. It should definitely be considered for Walt Disney Theatrical. Not fair to compare it to Lion King. Lion King is much more appealing than Frozen to smaller children musically and visually. After 15 or 20 min in I could hear kids asking parents for more Mickey Mouse. lol

There's no accounting for kids and toddlers. My 4 and 8 year old liked it a lot. But you know, there's just no telling what kids will or will not like. We didn't have any bored kids in our screening. My 4 year old was kind of bored with the Mickey short. *shrug*