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The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Season 7: Fantasmic Journeys [CONCLUDED!]
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Ugh. I’ve realized that every link in Time’s project is a budroll, but I still can’t keep my brain from clicking every single one. 
tcool123
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Well actually...
Rare earthquake hits Florida panhandle
A 4.0 magnitude earthquake was reported in the Florida panhandle Thursday morning, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
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We can experience it for free very very rarely
JokersWild
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Hey, guys. Before I get into the team-specific reviews, I just want to make some general comments that cover everyone’s projects. First, I really appreciate the hard work that went into each of these projects. The task was pretty daunting, but you guys did an all around fantastic job, and you should all be proud of your work. At the time of me writing this, we haven’t begun to discuss the ranking, but I can tell that this is going to be another very close project.
In terms of the projects, I’m very surprised that you all chose the Living Seas plot. I’ll get more into it later, but I do think that it was a mistake in some respects, though I totally understand wanting to use a larger, more apparent plot of land and avoid making FutureWorld lopsided.
I also just want to point out how glad I am with the uniqueness of each project. There have been quite a few FutureWorld pavilion pitches over the years and most of them have been centered around the same concepts, so I’m glad to see those (mostly) absent from your pitches.
Also, I ADORE the maps. All of them were done so well and it was really cool to see your pavilions fully integrated into the rest of the park.
BUT WHICH PAVILION WAS THE BEST? WHO WILL WIN? WHO WILL BE SENT HOME UNTIL THE NEXT PROJECT BEGINS? STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT.
General
Before I get into it, I’d first like to talk about your pavilion’s placement and overall design. First, I’m conflicted about your placement. FutureWorld West has primarily focused on the naturalistic and fanciful. While your pavilion sort of does that, it’s technological enough that I wonder if it would fit more in FutureWorld East with Universe of Energy and especially World of Motion. I think that Forecast Follies and Take Flight (to an extent) represent both of those qualities just enough that it justifies its placement, but I’m still conflicted. Though I totally get you putting it there to round out both sides of FutureWorld.
In terms of the building, I really love it. It’s perfectly EPCOT and perfectly fits the iconic skyline of the rest of the park. I love that this is a pavilion with an open interior as well. I wish that more pavilions did that. There were a few aesthetic features that fell to the wayside during brainstorming that I wish were kept in the final product (I think I remember you discussing a sloped hallway that had the shadow of a spinning rotor that sounded amazing), but I still really loved that you ended up with. I also think that your logo is the best of the bunch. While the others are great, I think that yours matches the style of the others really perfectly. It succinctly and elegantly describes exactly what your pavilion is.
The idea of an aviation pavilion is a great one. Initially I had worried about it being too redundant with World of Motion on the other side of the park, but you guys differentiated it nicely and made a distinct, unique addition to your EPCOT, especially with the addition of weather. I think that there might be a few other air-related sciences that you could have explored, or even another exhibit or two to compliment Forecast Follies, to further differentiate it, but air travel is a great angle and I totally don’t blame you guys for wanting to focus on that.
Opening Day
I’m just going to rip the band-aid off - I think that “The Sky Was the Limit” should have been your dark ride. I really enjoy Take Flight, and I’ll go into more detail about it soon, but I think that a ride focused around the history of aviation is more distinctly EPCOT and more fitting in FutureWorld than a dark ride about traveling around the world - especially when your pavilion is a quarter mile away from the part of the park that explores exactly that.
Boeing is a very interesting choice. Personally, I would have looked more towards an airline since air travel is such a heavy focus, but Boeing is still a great choice.
Attraction-wise, I love the presentation and structure of Take Flight, but I’m not sure if it’s really something that fits in FutureWorld. There doesn’t seem to be much, if any, education to it, which (unfortunately if you didn’t like that aspect of early EPCOT) was integral to the design philosophy of the park. Even including some of the city facts that you included in your attraction description as some type of occasional narration I think would have helped make it feel more “EPCOT-y.” I really enjoy the ride as a whole and I like that you basically made “If You Had Wings” if they gave it a budget, but it doesn’t scream EPCOT to me, unfortunately.
Forecast Follies, however, absolutely does fit the tone of EPCOT. The characters are great, the songs seem fun, and the music written for the show is really fantastic and very Sherman Brothers-sounding. My main concern is redundancy. This is literally right next door to The Land which features a strikingly similar show with a different theme. As much as I like this, I think that it might be too similar to Kitchen Kabaret. That being said, this is a super solid show, and I really enjoyed the concept.
Like I mentioned earlier, “The Sky Was the Limit” 100000% should have been your dark ride. It just screams EPCOT to me. I am fascinated by the history of aviation, and you hit all of the right events. I love the air travel memorabilia, I love the content of the actual film, and I really love the airport design exhibits. This was very apparently a passion project, and it’s a shame that it’s stuck as a smaller exhibit when it could have been so much more. Really solid job. This is the most EPCOT-feeling part of this pavilion.
The Mouse is an inspired choice for an exhibit. I love its inclusion, and it’s a total no-brainer for something like this. If I had one critique it’s that I would have liked to have seen this open to guests rather than have it stuck behind a fence.
Dining and shopping are great. It’s nice to see more dining added to FutureWorld, and I love the inclusion of a corporate lounge. I also like the idea of taste being the sixth layer of Earth’s atmosphere. I just picture a solid layer of food protecting us from the sun like a delicious o-zone layer.
1990s/ 2000s
Ludwig von Drake is a great addition to the film. Makes total sense for the time period, and it’s done very well.
I hate Forecast Follies, so great job there. If I had one complaint it’s that Bob Marley died in 1981.
Soarin is a great, again very natural, addition. I’m glad that you made it Soarin’ Across America as well. The locations you chose were all great choices, and make total sense for this kind of attraction. It also makes total sense to have this replace Take Flight.
The Mouse update hurts my soul.
Sorry this section is so short. I don’t have a ton to say about mostly cosmetic updates, but they’re all done very well.
2020s
I’ve been waiting for Disney to add Nazis to EPCOT, and it’s finally happened.
The Rocketeer is a super unique choice, and I think that it’s totally justified. It’s a great way to bring some excitement to the pavilion, and overall it’s done exceedingly well. A KUKA ride system is a great choice, though at the same time I would have liked to have seen the old Space Pavilion jetpack concept resurrected for this attraction. It’s a pretty obvious choice, but it would have worked really well.
All in all, this is a really solid effort that was mostly successful. With a few shifts in focus and a few extra plusses this could have been something truly amazing, but I still think that this was a really great project. Great job!
I love the choice of focusing the pavilion around computers. It’s so 1980s that it hurts, and really fits the original EPCOT concept. I was initially worried that there wouldn’t be enough content to justify a full pavilion, or that it would be too redundant with Communicore, but I think that you guys did a fantastic job.
That being said, this is the one pavilion that I can’t justify being placed on the Living Seas plot. Again, I understand wanting to match the other side of FutureWorld, but it’s pretty inconsistent with the rest of the FutureWorld West pavilions.
I love the architecture and the logo. I’m so glad that you guys didn’t go with the computer chip on the tower. I think that your final design was reminiscent enough that certain people would recognize what it was representing while still being abstract enough that it fit with the other EPCOT pavilions. You logo is really fantastic, and I love that it updates with the pavilion. It’s ever so slightly too busy for an EPCOT logo, but that’s the nitpickiest of nitpicks and I’ve only lost a little sleep over it.
Texas Instrument is a great choice for a sponsor, but I can’t believe that IBM was not once mentioned in your brainstorming. To me, that’s the perfect choice for a computer pavilion, but Texas Instrument is still a very fitting choice.
EPCOT Center
The Compu-Tour is a ton of fun. Again, a super big nitpick, but I don’t think that you needed the set-up with Dr. Turing and the Digitizer. EPCOT just kinda did things to do things, i.e. Universe of Energy bringing you from a theater to the Jurassic Period with no explanation or the Dreamfinder just spiriting people away to the world of Imagination because you dared cross his path, so I don’t think that it was totally necessary. That being said, I love it as a tribute/ pseudo sequel to Adventure Thru Inner Space. The attraction is just peak EPCOT. It’s a bit dry and very educational while bringing guests through some really interesting sets and unique places that you would never find someplace else. I also love the addition of the internet to the end of the attraction. It’s very reminiscent of the ending to Spaceship Earth ‘94, but broad enough that it doesn’t feel like you’re treading quite the same ground. My only question is whether e-mail was really used in the ways described in the attraction in 1982. All in all, really solid dark ride, and extremely well fitting for EPCOT Center.
Cyber Showcase was a lot of fun as well. I think that a few of the exhibits were actually in Communicore, but everything fits and some of them seem like they’d be very popular for the time period.
Epcot
AOL is a fantastic choice for a new sponsor.
I was worried about Web Surfer because I’m a ing nerd and I don’t like change, but this was a lot of fun, and it made total sense to make a rollercoaster themed around the internet. It was honestly really interesting to read how the attractions changed, and I could tell that you took care to try to make it apparent that you were reusing the space of a former attraction. It really added to the realism to me. The actual attraction was a lot of fun, and fit very well within that version of Epcot. And honestly, I thought that this attraction rounded out FutureWorld rather well, especially with this predating Mission Space by a handful of years. Great job and really solid effort, though I still mourn the loss of The Compu-Tour.
The Navigator Lounge also makes a lot of sense. It reminds me of the post-show updates that SSE got after AT&T took over sponsorship in the ‘90s.
EPCOT
As much as it hurts me to see IPs in MY EPCOT, I think this was done very well. I love the nod to the Compu-Tour in the coaster’s rename. The actual attraction is great, and totally fits modern EPCOT. It seems like something that would be very popular were it to actually be built.
Tech Talk is interesting, but, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, I think it would be more successful if it used a character from an IP. Though I again appreciate the resurrection of one of your 1982 characters, I don’t think that there’s much of a point to it especially when the rest of the pavilion is so openly centered around Wreck-It Ralph. Aside from that, the show is really well done and I enjoy the core concept, especially in an EPCOT that never got Turtle Talk with Crush.
Cyber Cafe is fun, but I think that it would have been better served as a regular restaurant not centered around memes. I could see something this cursed at Universal, but it’s a bit out there for Disney. Great menu, and great theming though. Retail’s fun. I don’t have much to say about it, but it’s solid.
Overall, I really enjoyed this pavilion. The ‘82 version was just quintessential EPCOT, while the subsequent versions had an incredibly solid thrill ride and a very realistic IP revitalization. Really great effort, guys.
Team Reality - Beneath the Surface
I’m so sorry if this ends up being a bit shorter than the others. I’m running out of time, and I’ve been writing for like an hour and a half already. But actually, this is just a teaser for More Pooh Talk. Hear my full thoughts live tomorrow evening.
Anyway, this was another slam dunk of a pavilion. Totally fit in FutureWorld West, and while I was initially worried that the building would be too similar to The Land and Imagination, I kinda like how your FutureWorld has a mountain range of glass. It helps tie the three pavilions together at least. In terms of your logo, I thought that it was the most bland. I like it, I just think that you could have gone more abstract with it. Maybe some sort of representation of Earth’s core or a mineral in the Earth? I dunno. This is a total nitpick.
1982
Beneath Our Feet was a lot of fun, and was VERY EPCOT. While I think that the terravators are done well, I don’t think that it was really necessary. Like I said to Team Time, EPCOT was about the abstract for the most part. Maybe a short film preshow? The first few scenes of your attraction might do better as part of a preshow as well if only to spread out the information and make the ride a bit more digestible. I really enjoyed the ride, and I think you covered some interesting topics. I really love how integral the elevation of the track was to the story of the attraction as well. It really helped drive home the idea of traveling deeper and deeper into the Earth. This was a super solid attraction. While it had a few pacing issues, it fits like a glove in the pantheon of classic EPCOT dark rides.
How Our World Formed is great. Love the video. Rocky is adorable.
The Rock Works is, again, just quintessential EPCOT. I love the exhibits, especially the earthquake one. Really solid job.
The Rest Because I’ve Run Out of Time
I love how realistic the pavilion changes feel. Adding a story and allowing guests to bypass the ride is painfully Epcot. Storm Rescue is a lot of fun, and like Team Time, adds some great thrills to FutureWorld. Only this time it doesn’t come at the cost of a great dark ride, so that helps quell the cynic in me. The ERS Labs are a great update on the Rockworks and I really enjoyed the updated exhibits and heavier focus on storms.
The only real critique I have for the modern version is that if you were going to rename the pavilion to include Rocky, I think that he should have been utilized in the dark ride as well. Everything is very solid otherwise.
Again, I’m so sorry that this review is shorter than the others. We’ll go more into it during More Pooh Talk. Overall, this pavilion was absolutely fantastic and I think that you captured the spirit of all three EPCOT’s exceptionally well. Fantastic job.
In terms of the projects, I’m very surprised that you all chose the Living Seas plot. I’ll get more into it later, but I do think that it was a mistake in some respects, though I totally understand wanting to use a larger, more apparent plot of land and avoid making FutureWorld lopsided.
I also just want to point out how glad I am with the uniqueness of each project. There have been quite a few FutureWorld pavilion pitches over the years and most of them have been centered around the same concepts, so I’m glad to see those (mostly) absent from your pitches.
Also, I ADORE the maps. All of them were done so well and it was really cool to see your pavilions fully integrated into the rest of the park.
BUT WHICH PAVILION WAS THE BEST? WHO WILL WIN? WHO WILL BE SENT HOME UNTIL THE NEXT PROJECT BEGINS? STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT.
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Team Space - The World Above
Firstly, great job to both @tcool123 and @MickeyWaffleCo. Watching the thread, you both seem to have taken the leadership role in some respects and you guys did a great job keeping everyone together and on the same page. I think that you guys were the quickest to solidify your concept and after that everything came together pretty naturally, so kudos all around. Team Space - The World Above
General
Before I get into it, I’d first like to talk about your pavilion’s placement and overall design. First, I’m conflicted about your placement. FutureWorld West has primarily focused on the naturalistic and fanciful. While your pavilion sort of does that, it’s technological enough that I wonder if it would fit more in FutureWorld East with Universe of Energy and especially World of Motion. I think that Forecast Follies and Take Flight (to an extent) represent both of those qualities just enough that it justifies its placement, but I’m still conflicted. Though I totally get you putting it there to round out both sides of FutureWorld.
In terms of the building, I really love it. It’s perfectly EPCOT and perfectly fits the iconic skyline of the rest of the park. I love that this is a pavilion with an open interior as well. I wish that more pavilions did that. There were a few aesthetic features that fell to the wayside during brainstorming that I wish were kept in the final product (I think I remember you discussing a sloped hallway that had the shadow of a spinning rotor that sounded amazing), but I still really loved that you ended up with. I also think that your logo is the best of the bunch. While the others are great, I think that yours matches the style of the others really perfectly. It succinctly and elegantly describes exactly what your pavilion is.
The idea of an aviation pavilion is a great one. Initially I had worried about it being too redundant with World of Motion on the other side of the park, but you guys differentiated it nicely and made a distinct, unique addition to your EPCOT, especially with the addition of weather. I think that there might be a few other air-related sciences that you could have explored, or even another exhibit or two to compliment Forecast Follies, to further differentiate it, but air travel is a great angle and I totally don’t blame you guys for wanting to focus on that.
Opening Day
I’m just going to rip the band-aid off - I think that “The Sky Was the Limit” should have been your dark ride. I really enjoy Take Flight, and I’ll go into more detail about it soon, but I think that a ride focused around the history of aviation is more distinctly EPCOT and more fitting in FutureWorld than a dark ride about traveling around the world - especially when your pavilion is a quarter mile away from the part of the park that explores exactly that.
Boeing is a very interesting choice. Personally, I would have looked more towards an airline since air travel is such a heavy focus, but Boeing is still a great choice.
Attraction-wise, I love the presentation and structure of Take Flight, but I’m not sure if it’s really something that fits in FutureWorld. There doesn’t seem to be much, if any, education to it, which (unfortunately if you didn’t like that aspect of early EPCOT) was integral to the design philosophy of the park. Even including some of the city facts that you included in your attraction description as some type of occasional narration I think would have helped make it feel more “EPCOT-y.” I really enjoy the ride as a whole and I like that you basically made “If You Had Wings” if they gave it a budget, but it doesn’t scream EPCOT to me, unfortunately.
Forecast Follies, however, absolutely does fit the tone of EPCOT. The characters are great, the songs seem fun, and the music written for the show is really fantastic and very Sherman Brothers-sounding. My main concern is redundancy. This is literally right next door to The Land which features a strikingly similar show with a different theme. As much as I like this, I think that it might be too similar to Kitchen Kabaret. That being said, this is a super solid show, and I really enjoyed the concept.
Like I mentioned earlier, “The Sky Was the Limit” 100000% should have been your dark ride. It just screams EPCOT to me. I am fascinated by the history of aviation, and you hit all of the right events. I love the air travel memorabilia, I love the content of the actual film, and I really love the airport design exhibits. This was very apparently a passion project, and it’s a shame that it’s stuck as a smaller exhibit when it could have been so much more. Really solid job. This is the most EPCOT-feeling part of this pavilion.
The Mouse is an inspired choice for an exhibit. I love its inclusion, and it’s a total no-brainer for something like this. If I had one critique it’s that I would have liked to have seen this open to guests rather than have it stuck behind a fence.
Dining and shopping are great. It’s nice to see more dining added to FutureWorld, and I love the inclusion of a corporate lounge. I also like the idea of taste being the sixth layer of Earth’s atmosphere. I just picture a solid layer of food protecting us from the sun like a delicious o-zone layer.
1990s/ 2000s
Ludwig von Drake is a great addition to the film. Makes total sense for the time period, and it’s done very well.
I hate Forecast Follies, so great job there. If I had one complaint it’s that Bob Marley died in 1981.
Soarin is a great, again very natural, addition. I’m glad that you made it Soarin’ Across America as well. The locations you chose were all great choices, and make total sense for this kind of attraction. It also makes total sense to have this replace Take Flight.
The Mouse update hurts my soul.
Sorry this section is so short. I don’t have a ton to say about mostly cosmetic updates, but they’re all done very well.
2020s
I’ve been waiting for Disney to add Nazis to EPCOT, and it’s finally happened.
The Rocketeer is a super unique choice, and I think that it’s totally justified. It’s a great way to bring some excitement to the pavilion, and overall it’s done exceedingly well. A KUKA ride system is a great choice, though at the same time I would have liked to have seen the old Space Pavilion jetpack concept resurrected for this attraction. It’s a pretty obvious choice, but it would have worked really well.
All in all, this is a really solid effort that was mostly successful. With a few shifts in focus and a few extra plusses this could have been something truly amazing, but I still think that this was a really great project. Great job!
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Team Time - The DataBase
GeneralTeam Time - The DataBase
I love the choice of focusing the pavilion around computers. It’s so 1980s that it hurts, and really fits the original EPCOT concept. I was initially worried that there wouldn’t be enough content to justify a full pavilion, or that it would be too redundant with Communicore, but I think that you guys did a fantastic job.
That being said, this is the one pavilion that I can’t justify being placed on the Living Seas plot. Again, I understand wanting to match the other side of FutureWorld, but it’s pretty inconsistent with the rest of the FutureWorld West pavilions.
I love the architecture and the logo. I’m so glad that you guys didn’t go with the computer chip on the tower. I think that your final design was reminiscent enough that certain people would recognize what it was representing while still being abstract enough that it fit with the other EPCOT pavilions. You logo is really fantastic, and I love that it updates with the pavilion. It’s ever so slightly too busy for an EPCOT logo, but that’s the nitpickiest of nitpicks and I’ve only lost a little sleep over it.
Texas Instrument is a great choice for a sponsor, but I can’t believe that IBM was not once mentioned in your brainstorming. To me, that’s the perfect choice for a computer pavilion, but Texas Instrument is still a very fitting choice.
EPCOT Center
The Compu-Tour is a ton of fun. Again, a super big nitpick, but I don’t think that you needed the set-up with Dr. Turing and the Digitizer. EPCOT just kinda did things to do things, i.e. Universe of Energy bringing you from a theater to the Jurassic Period with no explanation or the Dreamfinder just spiriting people away to the world of Imagination because you dared cross his path, so I don’t think that it was totally necessary. That being said, I love it as a tribute/ pseudo sequel to Adventure Thru Inner Space. The attraction is just peak EPCOT. It’s a bit dry and very educational while bringing guests through some really interesting sets and unique places that you would never find someplace else. I also love the addition of the internet to the end of the attraction. It’s very reminiscent of the ending to Spaceship Earth ‘94, but broad enough that it doesn’t feel like you’re treading quite the same ground. My only question is whether e-mail was really used in the ways described in the attraction in 1982. All in all, really solid dark ride, and extremely well fitting for EPCOT Center.
Cyber Showcase was a lot of fun as well. I think that a few of the exhibits were actually in Communicore, but everything fits and some of them seem like they’d be very popular for the time period.
Epcot
AOL is a fantastic choice for a new sponsor.
I was worried about Web Surfer because I’m a ing nerd and I don’t like change, but this was a lot of fun, and it made total sense to make a rollercoaster themed around the internet. It was honestly really interesting to read how the attractions changed, and I could tell that you took care to try to make it apparent that you were reusing the space of a former attraction. It really added to the realism to me. The actual attraction was a lot of fun, and fit very well within that version of Epcot. And honestly, I thought that this attraction rounded out FutureWorld rather well, especially with this predating Mission Space by a handful of years. Great job and really solid effort, though I still mourn the loss of The Compu-Tour.
The Navigator Lounge also makes a lot of sense. It reminds me of the post-show updates that SSE got after AT&T took over sponsorship in the ‘90s.
EPCOT
As much as it hurts me to see IPs in MY EPCOT, I think this was done very well. I love the nod to the Compu-Tour in the coaster’s rename. The actual attraction is great, and totally fits modern EPCOT. It seems like something that would be very popular were it to actually be built.
Tech Talk is interesting, but, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, I think it would be more successful if it used a character from an IP. Though I again appreciate the resurrection of one of your 1982 characters, I don’t think that there’s much of a point to it especially when the rest of the pavilion is so openly centered around Wreck-It Ralph. Aside from that, the show is really well done and I enjoy the core concept, especially in an EPCOT that never got Turtle Talk with Crush
.Cyber Cafe is fun, but I think that it would have been better served as a regular restaurant not centered around memes. I could see something this cursed at Universal, but it’s a bit out there for Disney. Great menu, and great theming though. Retail’s fun. I don’t have much to say about it, but it’s solid.
Overall, I really enjoyed this pavilion. The ‘82 version was just quintessential EPCOT, while the subsequent versions had an incredibly solid thrill ride and a very realistic IP revitalization. Really great effort, guys.
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Team Reality - Beneath the Surface
I’m so sorry if this ends up being a bit shorter than the others. I’m running out of time, and I’ve been writing for like an hour and a half already. But actually, this is just a teaser for More Pooh Talk. Hear my full thoughts live tomorrow evening.
Anyway, this was another slam dunk of a pavilion. Totally fit in FutureWorld West, and while I was initially worried that the building would be too similar to The Land and Imagination, I kinda like how your FutureWorld has a mountain range of glass. It helps tie the three pavilions together at least. In terms of your logo, I thought that it was the most bland. I like it, I just think that you could have gone more abstract with it. Maybe some sort of representation of Earth’s core or a mineral in the Earth? I dunno. This is a total nitpick.
1982
Beneath Our Feet was a lot of fun, and was VERY EPCOT. While I think that the terravators are done well, I don’t think that it was really necessary. Like I said to Team Time, EPCOT was about the abstract for the most part. Maybe a short film preshow? The first few scenes of your attraction might do better as part of a preshow as well if only to spread out the information and make the ride a bit more digestible. I really enjoyed the ride, and I think you covered some interesting topics. I really love how integral the elevation of the track was to the story of the attraction as well. It really helped drive home the idea of traveling deeper and deeper into the Earth. This was a super solid attraction. While it had a few pacing issues, it fits like a glove in the pantheon of classic EPCOT dark rides.
How Our World Formed is great. Love the video. Rocky is adorable.
The Rock Works is, again, just quintessential EPCOT. I love the exhibits, especially the earthquake one. Really solid job.
The Rest Because I’ve Run Out of Time
I love how realistic the pavilion changes feel. Adding a story and allowing guests to bypass the ride is painfully Epcot. Storm Rescue is a lot of fun, and like Team Time, adds some great thrills to FutureWorld. Only this time it doesn’t come at the cost of a great dark ride, so that helps quell the cynic in me. The ERS Labs are a great update on the Rockworks and I really enjoyed the updated exhibits and heavier focus on storms.
The only real critique I have for the modern version is that if you were going to rename the pavilion to include Rocky, I think that he should have been utilized in the dark ride as well. Everything is very solid otherwise.
Again, I’m so sorry that this review is shorter than the others. We’ll go more into it during More Pooh Talk. Overall, this pavilion was absolutely fantastic and I think that you captured the spirit of all three EPCOT’s exceptionally well. Fantastic job.
Thanks Jokers!! (That feels so condescending to say lol), really appreciate the kind words!!Hey, guys. Before I get into the team-specific reviews, I just want to make some general comments that cover everyone’s projects. First, I really appreciate the hard work that went into each of these projects. The task was pretty daunting, but you guys did an all around fantastic job, and you should all be proud of your work. At the time of me writing this, we haven’t begun to discuss the ranking, but I can tell that this is going to be another very close project.
In terms of the projects, I’m very surprised that you all chose the Living Seas plot. I’ll get more into it later, but I do think that it was a mistake in some respects, though I totally understand wanting to use a larger, more apparent plot of land and avoid making FutureWorld lopsided.
I also just want to point out how glad I am with the uniqueness of each project. There have been quite a few FutureWorld pavilion pitches over the years and most of them have been centered around the same concepts, so I’m glad to see those (mostly) absent from your pitches.
Also, I ADORE the maps. All of them were done so well and it was really cool to see your pavilions fully integrated into the rest of the park.
BUT WHICH PAVILION WAS THE BEST? WHO WILL WIN? WHO WILL BE SENT HOME UNTIL THE NEXT PROJECT BEGINS? STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT.
------------------------------Firstly, great job to both @tcool123 and @MickeyWaffleCo. Watching the thread, you both seem to have taken the leadership role in some respects and you guys did a great job keeping everyone together and on the same page. I think that you guys were the quickest to solidify your concept and after that everything came together pretty naturally, so kudos all around.
Team Space - The World Above
General
Before I get into it, I’d first like to talk about your pavilion’s placement and overall design. First, I’m conflicted about your placement. FutureWorld West has primarily focused on the naturalistic and fanciful. While your pavilion sort of does that, it’s technological enough that I wonder if it would fit more in FutureWorld East with Universe of Energy and especially World of Motion. I think that Forecast Follies and Take Flight (to an extent) represent both of those qualities just enough that it justifies its placement, but I’m still conflicted. Though I totally get you putting it there to round out both sides of FutureWorld.
In terms of the building, I really love it. It’s perfectly EPCOT and perfectly fits the iconic skyline of the rest of the park. I love that this is a pavilion with an open interior as well. I wish that more pavilions did that. There were a few aesthetic features that fell to the wayside during brainstorming that I wish were kept in the final product (I think I remember you discussing a sloped hallway that had the shadow of a spinning rotor that sounded amazing), but I still really loved that you ended up with. I also think that your logo is the best of the bunch. While the others are great, I think that yours matches the style of the others really perfectly. It succinctly and elegantly describes exactly what your pavilion is.
The idea of an aviation pavilion is a great one. Initially I had worried about it being too redundant with World of Motion on the other side of the park, but you guys differentiated it nicely and made a distinct, unique addition to your EPCOT, especially with the addition of weather. I think that there might be a few other air-related sciences that you could have explored, or even another exhibit or two to compliment Forecast Follies, to further differentiate it, but air travel is a great angle and I totally don’t blame you guys for wanting to focus on that.
Opening Day
I’m just going to rip the band-aid off - I think that “The Sky Was the Limit” should have been your dark ride. I really enjoy Take Flight, and I’ll go into more detail about it soon, but I think that a ride focused around the history of aviation is more distinctly EPCOT and more fitting in FutureWorld than a dark ride about traveling around the world - especially when your pavilion is a quarter mile away from the part of the park that explores exactly that.
Boeing is a very interesting choice. Personally, I would have looked more towards an airline since air travel is such a heavy focus, but Boeing is still a great choice.
Attraction-wise, I love the presentation and structure of Take Flight, but I’m not sure if it’s really something that fits in FutureWorld. There doesn’t seem to be much, if any, education to it, which (unfortunately if you didn’t like that aspect of early EPCOT) was integral to the design philosophy of the park. Even including some of the city facts that you included in your attraction description as some type of occasional narration I think would have helped make it feel more “EPCOT-y.” I really enjoy the ride as a whole and I like that you basically made “If You Had Wings” if they gave it a budget, but it doesn’t scream EPCOT to me, unfortunately.
Forecast Follies, however, absolutely does fit the tone of EPCOT. The characters are great, the songs seem fun, and the music written for the show is really fantastic and very Sherman Brothers-sounding. My main concern is redundancy. This is literally right next door to The Land which features a strikingly similar show with a different theme. As much as I like this, I think that it might be too similar to Kitchen Kabaret. That being said, this is a super solid show, and I really enjoyed the concept.
Like I mentioned earlier, “The Sky Was the Limit” 100000% should have been your dark ride. It just screams EPCOT to me. I am fascinated by the history of aviation, and you hit all of the right events. I love the air travel memorabilia, I love the content of the actual film, and I really love the airport design exhibits. This was very apparently a passion project, and it’s a shame that it’s stuck as a smaller exhibit when it could have been so much more. Really solid job. This is the most EPCOT-feeling part of this pavilion.
The Mouse is an inspired choice for an exhibit. I love its inclusion, and it’s a total no-brainer for something like this. If I had one critique it’s that I would have liked to have seen this open to guests rather than have it stuck behind a fence.
Dining and shopping are great. It’s nice to see more dining added to FutureWorld, and I love the inclusion of a corporate lounge. I also like the idea of taste being the sixth layer of Earth’s atmosphere. I just picture a solid layer of food protecting us from the sun like a delicious o-zone layer.
1990s/ 2000s
Ludwig von Drake is a great addition to the film. Makes total sense for the time period, and it’s done very well.
I hate Forecast Follies, so great job there. If I had one complaint it’s that Bob Marley died in 1981.
Soarin is a great, again very natural, addition. I’m glad that you made it Soarin’ Across America as well. The locations you chose were all great choices, and make total sense for this kind of attraction. It also makes total sense to have this replace Take Flight.
The Mouse update hurts my soul.
Sorry this section is so short. I don’t have a ton to say about mostly cosmetic updates, but they’re all done very well.
2020s
I’ve been waiting for Disney to add Nazis to EPCOT, and it’s finally happened.
The Rocketeer is a super unique choice, and I think that it’s totally justified. It’s a great way to bring some excitement to the pavilion, and overall it’s done exceedingly well. A KUKA ride system is a great choice, though at the same time I would have liked to have seen the old Space Pavilion jetpack concept resurrected for this attraction. It’s a pretty obvious choice, but it would have worked really well.
All in all, this is a really solid effort that was mostly successful. With a few shifts in focus and a few extra plusses this could have been something truly amazing, but I still think that this was a really great project. Great job!
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Team Time - The DataBase
I love the choice of focusing the pavilion around computers. It’s so 1980s that it hurts, and really fits the original EPCOT concept. I was initially worried that there wouldn’t be enough content to justify a full pavilion, or that it would be too redundant with Communicore, but I think that you guys did a fantastic job.
That being said, this is the one pavilion that I can’t justify being placed on the Living Seas plot. Again, I understand wanting to match the other side of FutureWorld, but it’s pretty inconsistent with the rest of the FutureWorld West pavilions.
I love the architecture and the logo. I’m so glad that you guys didn’t go with the computer chip on the tower. I think that your final design was reminiscent enough that certain people would recognize what it was representing while still being abstract enough that it fit with the other EPCOT pavilions. You logo is really fantastic, and I love that it updates with the pavilion. It’s ever so slightly too busy for an EPCOT logo, but that’s the nitpickiest of nitpicks and I’ve only lost a little sleep over it.
Texas Instrument is a great choice for a sponsor, but I can’t believe that IBM was not once mentioned in your brainstorming. To me, that’s the perfect choice for a computer pavilion, but Texas Instrument is still a very fitting choice.
EPCOT Center
The Compu-Tour is a ton of fun. Again, a super big nitpick, but I don’t think that you needed the set-up with Dr. Turing and the Digitizer. EPCOT just kinda did things to do things, i.e. Universe of Energy bringing you from a theater to the Jurassic Period with no explanation or the Dreamfinder just spiriting people away to the world of Imagination because you dared cross his path, so I don’t think that it was totally necessary. That being said, I love it as a tribute/ pseudo sequel to Adventure Thru Inner Space. The attraction is just peak EPCOT. It’s a bit dry and very educational while bringing guests through some really interesting sets and unique places that you would never find someplace else. I also love the addition of the internet to the end of the attraction. It’s very reminiscent of the ending to Spaceship Earth ‘94, but broad enough that it doesn’t feel like you’re treading quite the same ground. My only question is whether e-mail was really used in the ways described in the attraction in 1982. All in all, really solid dark ride, and extremely well fitting for EPCOT Center.
Cyber Showcase was a lot of fun as well. I think that a few of the exhibits were actually in Communicore, but everything fits and some of them seem like they’d be very popular for the time period.
Epcot
AOL is a fantastic choice for a new sponsor.
I was worried about Web Surfer because I’m a ****ing nerd and I don’t like change, but this was a lot of fun, and it made total sense to make a rollercoaster themed around the internet. It was honestly really interesting to read how the attractions changed, and I could tell that you took care to try to make it apparent that you were reusing the space of a former attraction. It really added to the realism to me. The actual attraction was a lot of fun, and fit very well within that version of Epcot. And honestly, I thought that this attraction rounded out FutureWorld rather well, especially with this predating Mission Space by a handful of years. Great job and really solid effort, though I still mourn the loss of The Compu-Tour.
The Navigator Lounge also makes a lot of sense. It reminds me of the post-show updates that SSE got after AT&T took over sponsorship in the ‘90s.
EPCOT
As much as it hurts me to see IPs in MY EPCOT, I think this was done very well. I love the nod to the Compu-Tour in the coaster’s rename. The actual attraction is great, and totally fits modern EPCOT. It seems like something that would be very popular were it to actually be built.
Tech Talk is interesting, but, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, I think it would be more successful if it used a character from an IP. Though I again appreciate the resurrection of one of your 1982 characters, I don’t think that there’s much of a point to it especially when the rest of the pavilion is so openly centered around Wreck-It Ralph. Aside from that, the show is really well done and I enjoy the core concept, especially in an EPCOT that never got Turtle Talk with Crush
Cyber Cafe is fun, but I think that it would have been better served as a regular restaurant not centered around memes. I could see something this cursed at Universal, but it’s a bit out there for Disney. Great menu, and great theming though. Retail’s fun. I don’t have much to say about it, but it’s solid.
Overall, I really enjoyed this pavilion. The ‘82 version was just quintessential EPCOT, while the subsequent versions had an incredibly solid thrill ride and a very realistic IP revitalization. Really great effort, guys.
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Team Reality - Beneath the Surface
I’m so sorry if this ends up being a bit shorter than the others. I’m running out of time, and I’ve been writing for like an hour and a half already. But actually, this is just a teaser for More Pooh Talk. Hear my full thoughts live tomorrow evening.
Anyway, this was another slam dunk of a pavilion. Totally fit in FutureWorld West, and while I was initially worried that the building would be too similar to The Land and Imagination, I kinda like how your FutureWorld has a mountain range of glass. It helps tie the three pavilions together at least. In terms of your logo, I thought that it was the most bland. I like it, I just think that you could have gone more abstract with it. Maybe some sort of representation of Earth’s core or a mineral in the Earth? I dunno. This is a total nitpick.
1982
Beneath Our Feet was a lot of fun, and was VERY EPCOT. While I think that the terravators are done well, I don’t think that it was really necessary. Like I said to Team Time, EPCOT was about the abstract for the most part. Maybe a short film preshow? The first few scenes of your attraction might do better as part of a preshow as well if only to spread out the information and make the ride a bit more digestible. I really enjoyed the ride, and I think you covered some interesting topics. I really love how integral the elevation of the track was to the story of the attraction as well. It really helped drive home the idea of traveling deeper and deeper into the Earth. This was a super solid attraction. While it had a few pacing issues, it fits like a glove in the pantheon of classic EPCOT dark rides.
How Our World Formed is great. Love the video. Rocky is adorable.
The Rock Works is, again, just quintessential EPCOT. I love the exhibits, especially the earthquake one. Really solid job.
The Rest Because I’ve Run Out of Time
I love how realistic the pavilion changes feel. Adding a story and allowing guests to bypass the ride is painfully Epcot. Storm Rescue is a lot of fun, and like Team Time, adds some great thrills to FutureWorld. Only this time it doesn’t come at the cost of a great dark ride, so that helps quell the cynic in me. The ERS Labs are a great update on the Rockworks and I really enjoyed the updated exhibits and heavier focus on storms.
The only real critique I have for the modern version is that if you were going to rename the pavilion to include Rocky, I think that he should have been utilized in the dark ride as well. Everything is very solid otherwise.
Again, I’m so sorry that this review is shorter than the others. We’ll go more into it during More Pooh Talk. Overall, this pavilion was absolutely fantastic and I think that you captured the spirit of all three EPCOT’s exceptionally well. Fantastic job.
JokersWild
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Hey, guys. Final rankings are going to come tonight. We've had some scheduling issues so we're not able to reach a consensus for the time being. Expect the next project in a few. Everyone should be nice and cozy in their new brainstorming PM in about a half hour.
Sure just make it suspenseful,....
MickeyWaffleCo.
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I could help...
JokersWild
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The Timekeeper continued to survey EPCOT, totally unaware that the Imagineers had all built pavilions.
“Ah, there it is.” said The Timekeeper. “Let’s get him before he gets away again.”
The Timekeeper turned to the Imagineers only to find that they were all gone, leaving behind three brand new pavilions.
“Guys? Oh. Wait. It’s gone again. Hmm.” The Timekeeper jumped through a portal, leaving EPCOT behind.
“Ah, there it is.” said The Timekeeper. “Let’s get him before he gets away again.”
The Timekeeper turned to the Imagineers only to find that they were all gone, leaving behind three brand new pavilions.
“Guys? Oh. Wait. It’s gone again. Hmm.” The Timekeeper jumped through a portal, leaving EPCOT behind.
montydysquith-navarro
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PMs ARE BACK?!?!
Orange Cat
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We won the brainstorming race by 2 pages (next to the other teams combined) Team Reality!
JokersWild
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JokersWild
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When The Imagineers came to, they found themselves in an unfamiliar place. The room was mostly dark , lit only by an old television and a dim lamp. Through the shadows, some of them noticed that the room was...cross shaped.
“Wait a minute.” chimed @b-wolf95. “Is this the House of the Future?”
“Oh, wow.” said a mysterious voice. A bang could be heard, followed by the sounds of falling pizza boxes. The lights came on, revealing the House of the Future, now standing abandoned and mostly derelict. The building stands in ruins aside from a dirty couch and an old CRT television. A strange black figure stands in front of them.
“Hey, guys.” He says. “It’s been a while. Uh, yeah. So for the new guys, I’m Mr. One Way. I live here with my roommate.” He pulls up the broken shell of SIR, who looks like he’s been powered down for quite some time.
“Things have been pretty lonely since 1986 ended, but you know.” He punched SIR in the shoulder. “Get this guy goin’ and it’s a party, y’know?” Mr. One Way laughed nervously. The Imagineered looked on with visible discomfort.
“But why are we back here?” asked @Mickeynerd17 .
Mr. One Way shrugged. Suddenly, SIR’s eyes lit up.
“B-b-beginning ne-nex-next project.”
“Well that’s new.” said Mr. One Way, surprised and suddenly a little less lonely.
“Wait a minute.” chimed @b-wolf95. “Is this the House of the Future?”
“Oh, wow.” said a mysterious voice. A bang could be heard, followed by the sounds of falling pizza boxes. The lights came on, revealing the House of the Future, now standing abandoned and mostly derelict. The building stands in ruins aside from a dirty couch and an old CRT television. A strange black figure stands in front of them.
“Hey, guys.” He says. “It’s been a while. Uh, yeah. So for the new guys, I’m Mr. One Way. I live here with my roommate.” He pulls up the broken shell of SIR, who looks like he’s been powered down for quite some time.
WELCOME TO 1986
“Things have been pretty lonely since 1986 ended, but you know.” He punched SIR in the shoulder. “Get this guy goin’ and it’s a party, y’know?” Mr. One Way laughed nervously. The Imagineered looked on with visible discomfort.
“But why are we back here?” asked @Mickeynerd17 .
Mr. One Way shrugged. Suddenly, SIR’s eyes lit up.
“B-b-beginning ne-nex-next project.”
“Well that’s new.” said Mr. One Way, surprised and suddenly a little less lonely.
MickeyWaffleCo.
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I’m happy but also now I can’t spy on the others.
Orange Cat
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That’s sorta depressing
JokersWild
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In the 1986 competition, we designed a Blue Sky Disneyland that encompassed new takes on various traditional lands, however, one piece is still missing.
For this challenge, the teams will create an original land for Blue Sky Disneyland that fills the void of the park’s missing Frontierland.
Tips
- Though we are asking for a land that is analogous to Frontierland, we are very much wanting a land that matches this resort’s other unique themes and lands.
- The Program Guide for this Stanza will include the Blue Sky Disneyland website. Study it carefully in order to craft a strong land that fits both Blue Sky Disneyland and Blue Sky Disney Resort.
- Due to the abundance of holidays that occur this week, your timeline will be somewhat extended. Use this to your advantage.
Project Managers
Reality - @Pi on my Cake
Space - @Disney Dad 3000
Time - @AceAstro
This project is due on Friday, April 2, 2021, at 11:59 PM EST
Time Zones
Orlando Time - 11:59 PM
Anaheim Time - 8:59 PM
Tokyo Time - 1:59 PM
Hong Kong Time - 12:59 PM
Paris Time - 5:59 AM
Guest Reviewers
Reality - @TheOriginalTiki
Space - @MANEATINGWREATH
Time - @monkey92514
Any specific questions feel free to ask in your brainstorming PMs or below.
Thank you, best of luck everyone, and enjoy The Sorcerer’s Apprentice Season 7: FANTASMIC JOURNEYS!
- Though we are asking for a land that is analogous to Frontierland, we are very much wanting a land that matches this resort’s other unique themes and lands.
- The Program Guide for this Stanza will include the Blue Sky Disneyland website. Study it carefully in order to craft a strong land that fits both Blue Sky Disneyland and Blue Sky Disney Resort.
- Due to the abundance of holidays that occur this week, your timeline will be somewhat extended. Use this to your advantage.
Project Managers
Reality - @Pi on my Cake
Space - @Disney Dad 3000
Time - @AceAstro
This project is due on Friday, April 2, 2021, at 11:59 PM EST
Time Zones
Orlando Time - 11:59 PM
Anaheim Time - 8:59 PM
Tokyo Time - 1:59 PM
Hong Kong Time - 12:59 PM
Paris Time - 5:59 AM
Guest Reviewers
Reality - @TheOriginalTiki
Space - @MANEATINGWREATH
Time - @monkey92514
Any specific questions feel free to ask in your brainstorming PMs or below.
Thank you, best of luck everyone, and enjoy The Sorcerer’s Apprentice Season 7: FANTASMIC JOURNEYS!
MickeyWaffleCo.
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Uh oh. We missed a digit
MickeyWaffleCo.
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Alright, everyone on every team....
LET’S KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK THIS ROUND!
LET’S KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK THIS ROUND!
Orange Cat
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No we need to put it in the park.