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The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

Distorian

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All the talk over in the Disneyland Forward thread about a third gate has me wondering what are the ideal possible themes for a third park in Disneyland? Westcot is definitely the most popular option, probably followed by Disney Sea. Of the two, I think reviving the Long Beach Disney Sea is more interesting but obviously the Toy Story Lot is likely too small for anything that. I do think the two ideas could be pretty easily combined, however. I also would love to see a retooled and reworked Disney's America as I think Liberty Street and Big City USA are two lands that would be excellent additions to the Resort.

As for original themes, a park centered around folklore from different countries could be interesting. Such a park could include a "New Fantasyland", but also lands revolving around Ancient Greece (Hercules, Odyssey), Arabia (Aladdin, Sinbad, Gilgamesh), China (Mulan, Yeti, Monkey King), and Mesoamerica (Emperor's New Groove, Indiana Jones, Raging Spirits). If we really want to hamfist Marvel representation into the park, we could still do a New York City land here and liberate California Adventure from his comic captors.
 

NobodyElse

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Is it me, or do these hazmat situations always happen in Tomorrowland?!?

Seriously, this isn't the first time this has happened in Tomorrowland. But it's always only a Tomorrowland thing. Why?

Well, Monsanto was in there for quite some time...
 

Distorian

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Keep finding myself thinking about what DCA could have been, so I wanted to keep going on this. In this vision the park would be expanded to cover the Simba Lot and Paradise Pier Hotel with Disneyland Drive running in a tunnel underneath to accommodate all of these concepts.

First, I'm bringing back Sunshine Plaza, but rather than tacky puns and gaudy colors, it'll be reminiscent of Balboa Park with Churrigueresque architecture. As much as I like Buena Vista Street, I find it unnecessary to have it alongside Hollywood Land. We'll also return the C-A-L-I-F-O-R-N-I-A letters and mosaics to the front of the park. Instead of Carthay Circle Theater serving as the park icon, I'm envisioning a California Palace with towers and flags. Inside would be a fully realized Golden Dreams with an animatronic cast like American Dreams, as it was meant to be.
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Let's head west from the hub and enter Hollywood Land, which has been mirrored. Guests will enter through a studio gate, such as Paramount's, which will blend the land well with Sunshine Plaza. We will retain Hollywood Blvd. with its Red Car Trolley, but rather than a mural at the end of the road we will have Carthay Circle Theater, inside which will be the Great Movie Ride. Along the rest of the street with be restaurants, shops, and Muppet Vision 3D housed inside the Pan Pacific Theater as well as Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin. Going north along Hollywood Blvd. you will go down the palm street-lined Sunset Blvd. with Tower of Terror looming over the end of its winding path. Along this route are two other attractions, the Animation Academy, housed inside of recreation of the old Hyperion Studios, and Superstar Limo. Unlike its original horrifying version, this iteration would have the same premise of getting to a movie premiere on time, but rather than being a dark ride it is an indoor coaster that takes you through the Hollywood Hills, Mulholand Drive, and the other crazy roadways of Los Angeles; also it'll be, like the rest of the land, set in the Golden Age instead of 2001 and there will be no cheap movie star cameos throughout.

Moving further west, we enter in Bear Flag Square. This will be the Mexican inspired section of the park, blending in nicely behind Carthay Circle Theater and Tower of Terror. Spanish pueblos will create a mid 19th century Alto California town with a fountain and a sit down restaurant. Here there will be the Coco boat ride, a Zorro stunt show, the Mission Tortilla experience housed inside a pueblo mission building. Here we will also find Dia de los Muertos festivals within the park.
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Venturing south and serving as a break from Hollywood Land and Bear Flag Square, is Bountiful Valley Farm. Helping to ease the transition will be the presence of Wine Country Trattoria with its Mediteranean architecture. Here there will be It's Tough to be a Bug, a petting zoo, a tractor pull (think Mater's), an attraction similar to Living with the Land showcasing California's impressive produce, and lastly Soarin' over California.

Bountiful Valley Farm helps mark the transition into Grizzly Peak, which will be on the old Simba Lot. Creating the berm will be the Grand Californian, the entrance of which will be off the current Paradise Way, renamed California Way. In the center of the land will be a Grizzly River Run heavily populated with wildlife. Running through the mountain will featured a mine train. The mountain will also be layered on top of a show building for a Gold Rush boat ride in the style of Western River Expedition to make use of space. Also in the land will be a Museum of the Weird, inspired by the road side attractions found near the Redwoods. We will also maintain Redwood Creek Challenge Trail with the addition of a section panning for gold like was once found at Knott's. We will also give the land a small tourist trap town like those outside of Yosemite where we'll find gift shops, restaurants, and Country Bear Jamboree.

Traveling back east, we will enter Car Land, stripped of its specific Radiator Springs theming. There we will still find Radiator Springs Racers within a midcentury California desert town with diners, neon, and Joshua Trees. In this new Car Land there will also be a Road Trip attraction in which guests drive electric vehicles through show scenes and gags along America's interstate system. We will also give the land a drive-in movie theater restaurant like that found in Hollywood Studios, which will help smooth the transition between Hollywood Land and Car Land.

Now there are two lands left. Jettisoning off from the east of the hub is a San Francisco land. It will share a bay with Paradise Pier which will be in the park's southeastern corner. Full of Queen Anne architecture, the land will feature several attractions, including a Cable Car coaster through the city's hilly streets, the Boudin Bakery Tour, and near the bay, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. In the northern corner of the land where the current transportation plaza sits will be a China Town subland with a Mulan dark ride and Fireworks Factory shooting exposition like what was once planned in Discovery Bay. This area will also play host to Lunar New Year Celebrations within the park. The portion of San Francisco along the bay will be reminiscent of Pacific Wharf and feature a set of animatronic sea lions in the water and on the rocks.

At last we come to Paradise Pier, which I have preserved despite the haters. Much of this land maintains its original offerings, including California Screamin, Mickey's Fun Wheel, Golden Zephyrs, Silly Symphony Swings, Games of the Boardwalk, Toy Story Midway Mania, World of Color, and King Triton's Carousel. We will omit The Little Mermaid and instead use that space for a Mary Poppins dark ride along the boardwalk that hones in on the Jolly Holiday aesthetic. Further development of the beach's theme will be made so that there is a Tide Pool area where kids can play in the sand, splash in the water, and scavenge for starfish and other life. Space permitted, we shall also include a second hotel within the park berm, this being the Paradise Pier hotel, which will mimic the style of Hotel del Coronado in San Diego.

In all, this version of the park there are nearly forty attractions, almost all of which are family accessible. Every aspect of this park embraces its California theme unapologetically and, more importantly, creates environments that people enjoy spending their time in. This would easily be a full day park worth visiting without missing Disneyland.
I had another vision. Hollywood Land really is a good branching off point for a variety of different themes and ideas. Another user mentioned a premieval attraction based on La Brea Tar Pits. I like this concept and I do think a boat ride through the Ice Age would be incredible. However, what I wanted to suggest is a Hollywood Land boat ride based on a Sword-and-Sandals epics of the 1950's. Traveling through such movies as Ben-Hur, Quo Vadis, The Ten Commandments, The Robe, Cleopatra. It doesn't have to be these specific movies, but invoking that imagery of vibrant, lively antiquity with grand scale and spectacle. Outside of Spaceship Earth, antiquity gets the short staff in Disney Parks, which is shocking given how rich it is to explore in a theme park setting.
 

britain

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I had another vision. Hollywood Land really is a good branching off point for a variety of different themes and ideas. Another user mentioned a premieval attraction based on La Brea Tar Pits. I like this concept and I do think a boat ride through the Ice Age would be incredible. However, what I wanted to suggest is a Hollywood Land boat ride based on a Sword-and-Sandals epics of the 1950's. Traveling through such movies as Ben-Hur, Quo Vadis, The Ten Commandments, The Robe, Cleopatra. It doesn't have to be these specific movies, but invoking that imagery of vibrant, lively antiquity with grand scale and spectacle. Outside of Spaceship Earth, antiquity gets the short staff in Disney Parks, which is shocking given how rich it is to explore in a theme park setting.

It really would be nice to see a little more of that legit antiquity brought to life. I don't think Disney would really make rides like that anymore, but - steering back to 3rd park ideas - I'd love to walk through Roman streets, or a Grecian village, or a Babylonian garden. It's the sort of thing World Showcase has some of, but theme park fans (at least here in North America) could use a lot more. It seems Mid-Century, Victorian, Old West or Medieval Europe are the only time periods Disney really wants to transport you to. There are the Adventurelands/Animal Kingdoms, but those tend to feel like you are walking through ruins rather than taken back in time to other civilations.
 

Distorian

Well-Known Member
Disney's America was so peak. Flawed, but real potential. The biggest issue is a lot of the best stuff for an America themed park- Wild West, Turn-of-the-Century, New Orleans, Space Exploration - had already been done at Disneyland (that's because Disneyland is an America themed park, in case you didn't know). Still, I can very easily picture a theme park with the following lands: Colonial America (Boston, Philadelphia, Williamsburg inspiration), a Turn-of-the-Century World's Fair (Columbian Exposition, Pan-American Exposition, Louisiana Purchase Exposition, etc.), Rocky Mountain boom town (somehow, despite the existence of four Frontierlands, the Rockies have never been represented), 1950's Middle American small town, and New York City at the heart of the park. I do think Dixie would make for a good land, as well, but given the removal of Splash I doubt Disney has any interest in touching the romanticized South again.
Coming back to this yet again, I was trying to envision what a centerpiece of such a park could be. Obvious answers would be Independence Hall or Statue of Liberty, but I find those cheap and gimmicky. Besides, Knott's already has a fantastic replica of Independence Hall. Instead, I was thinking as guests enter through Liberty Street, they see the Rocky Mountains rising above a large harbor, much like what one might find in Montana. Aesthetically it would be reminiscent of DisneySea with Mount Prometheus. The mountain(s) themselves could play host to a roller coaster as well as a Western River Expedition type boat ride.
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At some point I need to tackle a more fleshed out design of such a park. I can see the entrance pretty clearly. The ticket booths would be brick arches, similar to what is found at Independence Hall. Rising up behind them, instead of a train station, is a Georgian civic structure of some sort, reminiscent of Independence Hall, Old Massachusetts State House, or the Rhode Island State House - red brick walls with a tall white tower.
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Guests would pass by this civic structure (which, for practical purposes, serves as the park's "city hall") and under another set of brick arches to enter into the Town Square, in the center of which is an equestrian statue of George Washington. To the left is The American Adventure, to the right The Hall of Presidents. The rest of the street is exactly as one might picture it with cobblestone roads, red brick buildings, white sash windows, and projecting iron signs - all the features one might find in the oldest parts of Philadelphia, Boston, Annapolis, Alexandria, and Williamsburg. A couple alleyways stretch off the main road to little nooks and corners that offer a more intimate getaway. Horse drawn carriages take guests down the main road to the park's "hub," which overlooks Freedom Harbor and the Rocky Mountains across the water. In the bay stands a replica of the USS Constitution. Sitting on the corner of the hub is an old, candlelit tavern.
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To one side of the hub lies Indian Country, home to the Indian Village, Pocahontas, and The Adventures of Lewis and Clark. To the other, Big City, USA, a mid-century New York City. Surrounding Big City USA's berm is The New Yorker, an elegant hotel made up to resemble the streets of Manhattan on the portion facing the park and appear more like the Plaza Hotel on the portion facing the outside world. This land would play host to Spider-Man and the Avengers, a Broadway show (Newsies, perhaps), as well as a pizzeria.
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For now, this is all I'm able to see clearly, but I like the image in my mind and I want to keep fleshing it out, even if it does frustrate @Disney Irish that I'm doing it here in the Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread.
 
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mickEblu

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Original Poster
This break from my annual pass seems different than a couple years ago. It’s been a couple months now and I have Zero Disneyland FOMO this time around. Maybe we’ve just had our fill for a while. You get to a point where only the most perfect of days at the park makes the 2.5 hours round trip on the road and the hassle of it all worth it. We also have a clear trade off and decided to do a couple small trips instead including a short Disney Cruise out of San Diego.

Before I let our passes expire I asked myself if Disney didn’t sell Magic Keys, how many times would you be willing to go to the park and pay full price. My answer was 1-2 times. Once during Spring when Disneyland is in peak form and maybe another time during Christmas. Although I wasn’t as enamored with the park this past Christmas. Just Too crowded. If we hadn’t just come off our passes expiring, the 3 day So Cal tickets are a great deal also.

Obviously the main advantages of being a key holder is the access and flexibility. With that said, I still believe that the tourist/ vacationers day at the park is still the best way to do Disneyland. Stay at a hotel. Stay 1-2 days. Get there refreshed early in the morning. Get Lightning Lane. Etc. That’s my idea of an ideal day at the park. Not getting there at 1pm with wait times peaking after an hour and 40 minute battle on the 5 Freeway. Essentially experiencing something the ideal way IMO as opposed to experiencing a much watered down version of that more often.
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Happy St. Patrick's Day to @Disney Irish and all of our lads and lassies here with a bit of the Emerald Isle in them!

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And best of luck to our old pal Blossom Nose Murphy, and wishing him a swift recovery on March 18th!


Same to you....

A traditional Irish blessing.

"May the road rise up to meet you.
May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face;
the rains fall soft upon your fields and until we meet again,
may God hold you in the palm of His hand."
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Chef Andrew Sutton, the chef that launched the Napa Rose back in 2001, is retiring. He was a big name back when DCA opened, and because the park itself was such a disaster that immediately face-planted, it was nice that there were a few small hits in the Resort Expansion of '01.

The Napa Rose was one of those smaller hits among the catastrophic misadventure of the early 00's, and Andrew Sutton was the name credited for that success. I've had many wonderful dinners at the Napa Rose since '01. And several nice dinners and a cocktail or two (ahem) at the Carthay Circle restaurant/lounge and 1901 Lounge next door that Chef Sutton also was the executive chef for.

Chef Sutton has had a great career, and still looks quite dashing a quarter century later. Disneyland's food scene would not, and could not, be the same without him. Please join me in wishing him bon voyage to his well-deserved retirement!

 

CaptinEO

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Chef Andrew Sutton, the chef that launched the Napa Rose back in 2001, is retiring. He was a big name back when DCA opened, and because the park itself was such a disaster that immediately face-planted, it was nice that there were a few small hits in the Resort Expansion of '01.

The Napa Rose was one of those smaller hits among the catastrophic misadventure of the early 00's, and Andrew Sutton was the name credited for that success. I've had many wonderful dinners at the Napa Rose since '01. And several nice dinners and a cocktail or two (ahem) at the Carthay Circle restaurant/lounge and 1901 Lounge next door that Chef Sutton also was the executive chef for.

Chef Sutton has had a great career, and still looks quite dashing a quarter century later. Disneyland's food scene would not, and could not, be the same without him. Please join me in wishing him bon voyage to his well-deserved retirement!

This is huge. I really hope they have a good replacement in mind and that he wasn't forced out. Gloria, The Korean chef that used to be the chef of Carthay Circle and now is chef of Club 33 would be a great choice. Not a big fan of Alex Flores who has ran Carthay post covid and changed up the menu for the worse.

I really hope this isn't a budget cut decision but could see it as the new president slashing budgets to make a statement.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
This is huge. I really hope they have a good replacement in mind and that he wasn't forced out. Gloria, The Korean chef that used to be the chef of Carthay Circle and now is chef of Club 33 would be a great choice. Not a big fan of Alex Flores who has ran Carthay post covid and changed up the menu for the worse.

I really hope this isn't a budget cut decision but could see it as the new president slashing budgets to make a statement.

The new Thought Leader doesn't arrive until next week, so it's unlikely she had any say in this. Or even knows who Chef Sutton was, although I imagine she's dined at Napa Rose quite a few times at company do's and conferences.

I think it was just time for Chef Sutton to move on after a long and storied career in Anaheim, if not outright retire and go play golf and do consulting gigs on the side.

Disneyland was lucky to have him for the 25+ years that they did! He really moved the dining experience Resortwide into the 21st century and allowed it to stand up all on its own, even in restaurants without fireflies and boats full of tourists floating by.
 

Distorian

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I firmly believe the best case scenario for the submarine lagoon is to convert it into Skull Rock and the Jolly Roger, with a return of the mermaids. This would work best if Autopia was taken out alongside. That would make rerouting the Monorail easier and allow for a greater expansion of Fantasyland, ideally with a Tangled attraction.
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Side note about a Tangled attraction, the one at Tokyo is obviously excellent in many ways and I'd love for a near copy to come to Disneyland, however it is lacking in tension. Between the Best Day Ever and Flower Gleam and Glow segments ought to be a confrontation with the guards (which is already set up by the scene of Maximus looking for Flynn) which results in a small drop (think first PotC drop). It would mimic the story beat from the actual film, help break up the attraction a little, and offer a bit more padding as the ride is very condensed.

Girlfriend and I just watched Tangled the other day and I was reminded how great a movie it is. It really does deserve greater prominence at Disneyland.
 
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PiratesMansion

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I firmly believe the best case scenario for the submarine lagoon is to convert it into Skull Rock and the Jolly Roger, with a return of the mermaids. This would work best if Autopia was taken out alongside. That would make rerouting the Monorail easier and allow for a greater expansion of Fantasyland, ideally with a Tangled attraction.
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Side note about a Tangled attraction, the one at Tokyo is obviously excellent in many ways and I'd love for a near copy to come to Disneyland, however it is lacking in tension. Between the Best Day Ever and Flower Gleam and Glow segments ought to be a confrontation with the guards (which is already set up by the scene of Maximus looking for Flynn) which results in a small drop (think first PotC drop). It would mimic the story beat from the actual film, help break up the attraction a little, and offer a bit more padding as the ride is very condensed.

Girlfriend and I just watched Tangled the other day and I was reminded how great a movie it is. It really does deserve greater prominence at Disneyland.
While that would be cool, it does not at all fit Tomorrowland.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
What wild March weather the entire country is having this week! An atmospheric-river for Seattle, a blizzard from Minneapolis to Boston, record breaking cold for the Midwest and South, and record breaking heat for Southern California!

It's currently 92 degrees in Anaheim, and the longest line in the park is 105 minutes for Tiana's Bayou Bash N' Splash. And per usual, Grizzly River Run is closed for several months of winter "refurbishment" that is light on refurbishment and heavy on labor savings for a ride that gets you a bit too wet for wintertime. All other DCA E Tickets have wait times well over an hour.

But if you are from Wisconsin or Washington, what a fun summer-like day to be at Disneyland for the heat wave!

Take it away, girls...

 

TomorrowlandWall

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Just remembered back in April of 2024 a single frame of “we call it Imagineering” gave us a tease of a whole class of new S.E.A. Members we have never seen before as well as “S.E.A. West Coast Headquarters”

Doest anyone know if this has popped up anywhere else or has any idea of what it could be for?

One idea, Jock Lindsey’s Hangar bar was part of the Disneyland Forward concepts presented to the city. As an idea of something Disney could put as part of the new “entertainment district” going to the Toy Story Lot. What if thats where the S.E.A. Is going?

In brief what would an Adventure version of Fantasy Springs look like? Then tie it all together using the Society of Explorers and Adventurers. Anyways, just a thought.

Kungaloosh!
 

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