The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[truecoat]

Soarin’ is fun but not a ground breaking attraction.

I beg to differ. Although the theming is somewhat lacking, Soarin' was a groundbreaking attraction. Yes, it's a simulator, but its design was significant.

 

[Phroobar]

I beg to differ. Although the theming is somewhat lacking, Soarin' was a groundbreaking attraction. Yes, it's a simulator, but its design was significant.

I don't think Soarin' really counts anymore as significant or original. A lot of parks through out the world have flying theaters now. Heck, there is one in the Mall of America.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I don't think Soarin' really counts anymore as significant or original. A lot of parks through out the world have flying theaters now. Heck, there is one in the Mall of America.

Doesn't feel really fair, seeing as Disney was the one who created the experience, and out of the various versions other companies have created since, I haven't experienced one that gave the same sensation as the original in DCA.

It's like saying other parks have boat rides, so Pirates is no longer original or significant...

(Soarin is by no means my favourite attraction, we only rode it once on our last trip, but it deserves some credit)

 

[Disney Analyst]

Just watched a video of Haunted Mansion Holiday... Did Oogie Boogie get a refresh or new figure? He looks better, and seems to be moving a lot smoother than previous years. Less... jittery looking, more realistic.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Meanwhile on our last trip we only managed to ride RSR once.

But we spent a lot of time riding Incredicoaster and Guardians.

For me, DCA is a great park to get some thrills in, or find some food, and then you go back to Disneyland. Nothing really wrong with that, since most people are on an AP or park hopper, most likely...I think it’s getting into solid park territory.

That's not the signs of a solid park, that's the sign of a park that's a glorified intermission for the main attraction.

It won't be a healthy park until people actually go out of their way to visit the park on its own terms, rather than as a break from Disneyland.

 

[Disney Analyst]

That's not the signs of a solid park, that's the sign of a park that's a glorified intermission for the main attraction.

It won't be a healthy park until people actually go out of their way to visit the park on its own terms, rather than as a break from Disneyland.

Truly a near impossible task when Disneyland is what I'd consider the best theme park, DCA will always and forever be a fun diversion. A Disneyland overflow where they put rides they can't fit in the original.

I truly don't think there is much wrong with that. Both parks are busy. DCA isn't a ghost town like when it first opened, and it will only get better... but it will always be the park across from the best park.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Truly a near impossible task when Disneyland is what I'd consider the best theme park, DCA will always and forever be a fun diversion. A Disneyland overflow where they put rides they can't fit in the original.

I truly don't think there is much wrong with that. Both parks are busy. DCA isn't a ghost town like when it first opened, and it will only get better... but it will always be the park across from the best park.

Disneyland is not so uniquely good that a solid second gate becomes impossible. That's just giving them an excuse to keep treating it poorly, just because it'll never be Disneyland, so why even bother trying at all?

 

[Disney Analyst]

Disneyland is not so uniquely good that a solid second gate becomes impossible. That's just giving them an excuse to keep treating it poorly, just because it'll never be Disneyland, so why even bother trying at all?

I absolutely think they should try, I just don't think anyone here will ever see it as something that can compare to Disneyland.

For me, it's already pretty good as it is, adding these next 4 attractions will really push it up even more. Better than DHS in my opinion already.

 

[mickEblu]

Disneyland is not so uniquely good that a solid second gate becomes impossible. That's just giving them an excuse to keep treating it poorly, just because it'll never be Disneyland, so why even bother trying at all?

The thing is what percentage of guests are actually experiencing DCA as a single day park? No Magic Keyholders obviously. So the non MK's who aren't buying park hoppers but are staying multiple days and throw in one DCA day as part of their 3 day trip? Not sure what the percentage is but it doesn't seem very high. It obviously benefits Disney to make DCA as strong as possible but I'm not quite sure how high it was on the priority list until recently. Then again they spent a lot of money on DCA foolishly in the 2010's so the desire was there to an extent.

 

[PiratesMansion]

The thing is what percentage of guests are actually experiencing DCA as a single day park?

I don't know, but (cue tangent) it endlessly fascinates me that many, MANY people on Reddit are seemingly determined to do so and/or would if left to their own devices.

It seems to me the overriding thought process among WDW vets looking to come west tends to be: 1) Disneyland is small, so obviously we can do it in a day, right? and/or 2) Magic Kingdom is similar to Disneyland, so obviously I should go to DCA because it's the more unique park, right? Thankfully the locals are able to talk sense into most (though certainly not all) prospective DLers, but it's truly fascinating to me how often this thought process crops up.

Meanwhile, Disneylanders going to WDW for a day or so tend to gravitate to MK because it's most like Disneyland, when IMO they're better off going to Epcot or DAK if they have to pick and choose.

Going back to the main point a bit, I do wonder how people younger than us tend to view the parks and if they're a bit more equal in valuing the parks or if they're even a bit more DCA-inclined by comparison. I definitely know people who prefer DCA because it has more thrilling rides and more room to move. The idea of buying a single day ticket to DCA is far-fetched to me, but perhaps it wouldn't be to them. Perhaps people like that are growing in numbers. I wish we had some data to determine if this is something actually happening or just a wild hypothesis of mine.

 

[Disney Irish]

The thing is what percentage of guests are actually experiencing DCA as a single day park? No Magic Keyholders obviously.

Um, I am a MK who spends a day at DCA.

Remember not all MKs are locals that just come for a few hours and go home. Many come from all over the West Coast and stay at hotels/motels around the Resort. And so spend a day or two at DL and a day at DCA without park hopping.

Now this might be a smaller percentage of the MK population, but its certainly not zero. And my bet is that as DCA gets stronger this number will rise, and DCA will even out in terms of the amount staying for a full day.

 

[Rich T]

Hey, remember a little while back when we were having fun discussing the pros and cons of A.I. art when Bing Image creator became readily available to just about everyone? Ah, those were the days. Now just a couple of years later… Holy crud.

Is anyone else here unsettled by how quickly the media-based part of the world, combined with the human desire for money, is getting A.I. insane?

I just watched a video from the Youtube channel Pleasant Green about A.I. songwriting services and his experience with a site using A.I. actors-for-hire posing as songwriters. And then he uses both services hilariously to deliver a rather chilling message about how easy it is to fool the GP.

This is freaky scary. On the one hand, I think it’s cool the possibilities depicted in Ready Player One will probably arrive sooner than anyone thought…

On the other hand, I’m very worried that the human race is not prepared for the speed at which these tools are being used to produce computer-created fictions posing as realities.

If it all continues to refine and grow at its present rate, can you imagine what the world could be like in five years? Heck, one year. Next month.

On a note that’s a bit less important than, say, the fate of human creativity… I can’t help but wonder (of course) how this tidal wave of A.I. reality-substitution will effect the theme park industry in the long run.

 

[DLR92]

Hey, remember a little while back when we were having fun discussing the pros and cons of A.I. art when Bing Image creator became readily available to just about everyone? Ah, those were the days. Now just s couple of years later… Holy crud.

Is anyone else here a unsettled by how quickly the media-based part of the world, combined with the human desire for money, is getting A.I. insane?

I just watched a video from the Youtube channel Pleasant Green about A.I. songwriting services and his experience with a site using A.I. actors-for-hire posing as songwriters. And then he uses both services hilariously to deliver a rather chilling message about how easy it is to fool the GP.

This is freaky scary. On the one hand, I think it’s cool the possibiltles depicted in Ready Player One will probably arrive sooner than anyone thought…

On other hand, I’m very worried that the human race is not prepared for the speed at which these tools are being used to create computer-created fictions posing as realities.

If it all continues to refine and grow at its present rate, can you imagine what the world could be like in five years? Heck, one year. Next month.

On a note that’s a bit less important than, say, the fate of human creativity… I can’t help but wonder (of course) how this tidal wave of A.I. reality-substitution will effect the theme park industry in the long run.

I’m a big proponent to ban AI.

 

[Rich T]

I’m a big proponent to ban AI.

Though I can’t see that happening (except in regards to specific uses), I am in favor of quickly tightening the reins and applying all laws of copyright, plagiarism, fraud, etc. as swiftly and seriously as possble. Every government on the planet needs to realize the serious implications of what is happening globally right now.

#1: It should be a criminal offense to knowingly create a falsehood via A.I. and present it to the public as news or reality.

#2 It should be particularly illegal to present an A.I. creation as a real person, and criminal to use that deception for financial gain.

All A.I. fakery should be presented in a context that makes it clear to the viewer/listener that the presentation is artificial.

- A.I. as a tool: OK depending on how it’s used
- A.I. as a deliberate deception: criminal

 

[Phroobar]

I'm pretty sure a few of you are A.I.

 

[mickEblu]

I don't know, but (cue tangent) it endlessly fascinates me that many, MANY people on Reddit are seemingly determined to do so and/or would if left to their own devices.

It seems to me the overriding thought process among WDW vets looking to come west tends to be: 1) Disneyland is small, so obviously we can do it in a day, right? and/or 2) Magic Kingdom is similar to Disneyland, so obviously I should go to DCA because it's the more unique park, right? Thankfully the locals are able to talk sense into most (though certainly not all) prospective DLers, but it's truly fascinating to me how often this thought process crops up.

Meanwhile, Disneylanders going to WDW for a day or so tend to gravitate to MK because it's most like Disneyland, when IMO they're better off going to Epcot or DAK if they have to pick and choose.

Going back to the main point a bit, I do wonder how people younger than us tend to view the parks and if they're a bit more equal in valuing the parks or if they're even a bit more DCA-inclined by comparison. I definitely know people who prefer DCA because it has more thrilling rides and more room to move. The idea of buying a single day ticket to DCA is far-fetched to me, but perhaps it wouldn't be to them. Perhaps people like that are growing in numbers. I wish we had some data to determine if this is something actually happening or just a wild hypothesis of mine.

I guess I just don’t think the average person spends a lot of time thinking about the differences between the parks as for most Disneyland visitors it’s one product separated by 100 feet and a gate. But yes I’d say the younger audience is a bit more favorable towards DCA. Thrill rides? Alcohol? Pixar? Performative contrarian/ Hipsters?

Not that I disagree in regards to MK but I think for me on my first visit to WDW I’d spend more time there simply for the morbid curiosity of comparing and the volume of attractions. But on subsequent visits I could see how I’d spend less time there.

 

[mickEblu]

Um, I am a MK who spends a day at DCA.

Remember not all MKs are locals that just come for a few hours and go home. Many come from all over the West Coast and stay at hotels/motels around the Resort. And so spend a day or two at DL and a day at DCA without park hopping.

Now this might be a smaller percentage of the MK population, but its certainly not zero. And my bet is that as DCA gets stronger this number will rise, and DCA will even out in terms of the amount staying for a full day.

Yeah but you’re a freak of nature. lol. You spend a whole day at DCA without park hopping? Is this typical for you. Why?

 

[DLR92]

And I just spend 1 hour inside DCA.

 

[Rich T]

…But on subsequent visits I could see how I’d spend less time there.

I’ve managed to trim my MK time down to zero. Rivers of America is gone and Tomorrowland Speedway remains. Brilliance.