The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

Mac Tonight

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I love Corey Burton.

Who would have thought that this guy…

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…Is also the same guy who lovingly welcomes you into the parks on the trams!
 
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TP2000

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Caught a commercial on YouTube for DCA's Food and Wine Festival starting March 4th.

Sadly, I know it won't be as good as Epcot's that I attended last November. For one thing... it's in DCA.

There's SO MUCH POTENTIAL for DCA with festivals. Culture & Ethnic festivals, food festivals, arts festivals, etc.

They've barely scratched the surface there, and they seem content to just regurgitate various versions of their Food & Wine thing. Instead of pretending they're ever going to bring Paint The Night back to DCA, just turn that giant parade route into a seasonal festival venue and be done with it.
 

mickEblu

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According to Fresh Baked during the upcoming POTC refurb they will be removing those two large trees in the courtyard that frame the building marquee. They haven’t looked healthy for a while but Ugh, I hope they are replaced with two mature trees (if the rumor is true).

What’s going to happen when huge atmosphere game changing trees like the one by BTMRR or the ficus in the Alice in Wonderland queue have to go one day? Those are irreplaceable.
 
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CaptinEO

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According to Fresh Baked during the upcoming POTC refurb they will be removing those two large trees in the courtyard that frame the building marquee. They haven’t looked healthy for a while but Ugh, I hope they are replaced with two mature trees (if the rumor is true).

What’s going to happen when huge atmosphere game changing trees like the one by BTMRR or the ficus in the Alice in Wonderland queue have to go one day? Those are irreplaceable.
Fresh baked's made up rumors have never turned out to be true.

Why? Because he is a youtuber and not an insider. His "sources" are (likely) CMs in the parks, not anyone corporate. CMs tend to get info wrong all the time.
 

mickEblu

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Fresh baked's made up rumors have never turned out to be true.

Why? Because he is a youtuber and not an insider. His "sources" are (likely) CMs in the parks, not anyone corporate. CMs tend to get info wrong all the time.

Well technically they re not made up if it’s coming from the CMs which I agree about. Yeah CMs are wrong often. As far as Fresh Dave I think he’s about 50/50 no? I only started watching him and other vloggers religiously during the pandemic when I was starved of Disney Parks content. He never really tries to drop any bombshell news. It’s always small stuff like “ I think the trams might be coming back next month” or this news about the trees which I suspect may be true as I had noticed they were unhealthy a while back.

On another note I think that he does sometimes come up with illogical conclusions to certain things during construction projects. I also find his fascination with wanting the parks to be crowded to be a bit strange. With that said I enjoy his content and his passion for the parks and I am envious that he gets to go to Disneyland for a living. Especially now that he quit his day job.
 

CaptinEO

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Well technically they re not made up if it’s coming from the CMs which I agree about. Yeah CMs are wrong often. As far as Fresh Dave I think he’s about 50/50 no? I only started watching him and other vloggers religiously during the pandemic when I was starved of Disney Parks content. He never really tries to drop any bombshell news. It’s always small stuff like “ I think the trams might be coming back next month” or this news about the trees which I suspect may be true as I had noticed they were unhealthy a while back.

On another note I think that he does sometimes come up with illogical conclusions to certain things during construction projects. I also find his fascination with wanting the parks to be crowded to be a bit strange. With that said I enjoy his content and his passion for the parks and I am envious that he gets to go to Disneyland for a living. Especially now that he quit his day job.
I don't necessarily think he's trying to give out inaccurate information as fact. It's just he has such a wide reach that any speculation he talks about people start posting all over the internet and it turns into fact.

I don't entirely blame him, I also blame the people that take his news and rerepeat it as if it were a fact.

Never seen his videos to be honest as vloggers arent my thing.
 

EPCOTCenterLover

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Sure, it's been a version of that since the 1970's. But this is getting ridiculous. Drive My Car? The Power Of The Dog?



I remember about five years ago when a gaggle of actresses got all snotty about the media making such a big deal about who they were wearing instead of what they were thinking. The actresses claimed they were professional busineswomen at an industry event, and thus any question about their hair/dress/look was sexist and barbaric.

And I'm thinking... "Ladies, if you want to present yourself as 'business professionals', then wear a professional business suit to this event instead of a backless/strapless/breast baring/thigh revealing $25,000 couture gown with 5 inch stilettos and hair piled to the heavens and four days of grooming done in advance."

If the ladies attending the Oscars don't want people to ask them "Who are you wearing?!?", they should stop dressing like this...
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And instead wear something like this to the Oscars as a "professional" attending an "industry business event"...
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Personally, I couldn't care less what any actor or actress thinks is important.
 
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chadwpalm

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In the Parks
No
With that said I enjoy his content and his passion for the parks and I am envious that he gets to go to Disneyland for a living. Especially now that he quit his day job.
I dunno if I'd want that life. I love Disneyland as much as anyone else, but I wouldn't want going to the parks it to feel like a job and not just going for enjoyment. Always having each trip have a purpose, always filming, etc. Just not for me. More power to him and the others who are cool with all that though.
 

TP2000

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According to Fresh Baked during the upcoming POTC refurb they will be removing those two large trees in the courtyard that frame the building marquee. They haven’t looked healthy for a while but Ugh, I hope they are replaced with two mature trees (if the rumor is true).

What’s going to happen when huge atmosphere game changing trees like the one by BTMRR or the ficus in the Alice in Wonderland queue have to go one day? Those are irreplaceable.

I agree that there are some trees at Disneyland that are irreplaceable. The ficus tree at Alice In Wonderland is a perfect example. The building itself that Alice is in is not much to look at, even with the outdoor track.

That said, it's easy for us to get complacent about trees as the years turn into decades. Often, they grow so huge they dwarf the buildings and obscure the architecture that was Imagineered there in the first place. I think those two sickly trees in front of Pirates are a good example of that. Pirates was originally Imagineered to walk right up to and thus be able to take in the New Orleans architecture easily and allow it to set an Opening Act in your mind as you headed inside. It really is an elegant and beautiful building.

Most 1960's photographs are amateur shots from tourists and don't do the building justice, but this one is pretty good. Notice the bullet ashtray sitting out front by the trashcan! Disneyland used to have those everywhere. 🚬

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Then in the late 1980's they redesigned the area to add the bridge in front to help alleviate crowds. They planted those two trees in the queue, a large tree in the planter in front of the queue, and they grew and grew. In 2000 they beefed up the signage in front for Fastpass with a wrought iron archway, pushing the marquee even further out from the bridge, and they planted vines and more shrubbery. The end result is that by the 2020's you enter the ride through a dark, overgrown tunnel. As you pass under the bridge, the trees then obscure the building from the queue itself, and you can barely tell there's a building there at all!

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That bridge will still be there, but it would be nice to be able to see the building again from different angles. Especially when you walk over the bridge above, or are in the queue as you head into the building.

A similar fate met Tomorrowland. They planted a couple of ficus trees at the entrance to the land in 1967, alongside the Bell System show on the left and the Monsanto ride on the right. But the entrance as designed in 1967 was wide open and you could see the clean and sleek buildings framing the land.

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Over a half a century later, and those ficus trees grew into monsters (as that type of tree does in the SoCal climate). Now Tomorrowland is a wall of green and it's hard to tell what's back there. The failed New Tomorrowland redesign of 1998 didn't help, but even after the recent rock removals it's still a ficus forest.

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There's actually Imagineering behind all of Disneyland's massive trees, and much of that Imagineering is quite good. A little replanting after 50 years would do the park good in several spots. In my opinion. :)
 

SuddenStorm

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I agree that there are some trees at Disneyland that are irreplaceable. The ficus tree at Alice In Wonderland is a perfect example. The building itself that Alice is in is not much to look at, even with the outdoor track.

That said, it's easy for us to get complacent about trees as the years turn into decades. Often, they grow so huge they dwarf the buildings and obscure the architecture that was Imagineered there in the first place. I think those two sickly trees in front of Pirates are a good example of that. Pirates was originally Imagineered to walk right up to and thus be able to take in the New Orleans architecture easily and allow it to set an Opening Act in your mind as you headed inside. It really is an elegant and beautiful building.

Most 1960's photographs are amateur shots from tourists and don't do the building justice, but this one is pretty good. Notice the bullet ashtray sitting out front by the trashcan! Disneyland used to have those everywhere. 🚬

KTPBKYC_5_67_N01B.jpg


Then in the late 1980's they redesigned the area to add the bridge in front to help alleviate crowds. They planted those two trees in the queue, a large tree in the planter in front of the queue, and they grew and grew. In 2000 they beefed up the signage in front for Fastpass with a wrought iron archway, pushing the marquee even further out from the bridge, and they planted vines and more shrubbery. The end result is that by the 2020's you enter the ride through a dark, overgrown tunnel. As you pass under the bridge, the trees then obscure the building from the queue itself, and you can barely tell there's a building there at all!

IMG_2166_original.JPG


That bridge will still be there, but it would be nice to be able to see the building again from different angles. Especially when you walk over the bridge above, or are in the queue as you head into the building.

A similar fate met Tomorrowland. They planted a couple of ficus trees at the entrance to the land in 1967, alongside the Bell System show on the left and the Monsanto ride on the right. But the entrance as designed in 1967 was wide open and you could see the clean and sleek buildings framing the land.

2eeacc133f7c7b79317cc93a00ca49a1.jpg


Over a half a century later, and those ficus trees grew into monsters (as that type of tree does in the SoCal climate). Now Tomorrowland is a wall of green and it's hard to tell what's back there. The failed New Tomorrowland redesign of 1998 didn't help, but even after the recent rock removals it's still a ficus forest.

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There's actually Imagineering behind all of Disneyland's massive trees, and much of that Imagineering is quite good. A little replanting after 50 years would do the park good in several spots. In my opinion. :)

The trees around the castle are another perfect example.

That said, the trees growing in Jungle and Tom Sawyer's Island have only enhanced those two experiences.
 

mickEblu

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I agree that there are some trees at Disneyland that are irreplaceable. The ficus tree at Alice In Wonderland is a perfect example. The building itself that Alice is in is not much to look at, even with the outdoor track.

That said, it's easy for us to get complacent about trees as the years turn into decades. Often, they grow so huge they dwarf the buildings and obscure the architecture that was Imagineered there in the first place. I think those two sickly trees in front of Pirates are a good example of that. Pirates was originally Imagineered to walk right up to and thus be able to take in the New Orleans architecture easily and allow it to set an Opening Act in your mind as you headed inside. It really is an elegant and beautiful building.

Most 1960's photographs are amateur shots from tourists and don't do the building justice, but this one is pretty good. Notice the bullet ashtray sitting out front by the trashcan! Disneyland used to have those everywhere. 🚬

KTPBKYC_5_67_N01B.jpg


Then in the late 1980's they redesigned the area to add the bridge in front to help alleviate crowds. They planted those two trees in the queue, a large tree in the planter in front of the queue, and they grew and grew. In 2000 they beefed up the signage in front for Fastpass with a wrought iron archway, pushing the marquee even further out from the bridge, and they planted vines and more shrubbery. The end result is that by the 2020's you enter the ride through a dark, overgrown tunnel. As you pass under the bridge, the trees then obscure the building from the queue itself, and you can barely tell there's a building there at all!

IMG_2166_original.JPG


That bridge will still be there, but it would be nice to be able to see the building again from different angles. Especially when you walk over the bridge above, or are in the queue as you head into the building.

A similar fate met Tomorrowland. They planted a couple of ficus trees at the entrance to the land in 1967, alongside the Bell System show on the left and the Monsanto ride on the right. But the entrance as designed in 1967 was wide open and you could see the clean and sleek buildings framing the land.

2eeacc133f7c7b79317cc93a00ca49a1.jpg


Over a half a century later, and those ficus trees grew into monsters (as that type of tree does in the SoCal climate). Now Tomorrowland is a wall of green and it's hard to tell what's back there. The failed New Tomorrowland redesign of 1998 didn't help, but even after the recent rock removals it's still a ficus forest.

img_8445-1920x1440.jpg


There's actually Imagineering behind all of Disneyland's massive trees, and much of that Imagineering is quite good. A little replanting after 50 years would do the park good in several spots. In my opinion. :)

I agree that their are areas that need to be pruned and cleaned up and you re right, there areas in the park that were just never intended to be dwarfed by gigantic trees. The problem is knowing when to trim them. I have the same issue in my front or backyard. I’ll see something lush and not want to touch it but lush quickly grows into wild and out of control which then effects other trees and plants around it which in the case of what we re talking about here - Disneyland architecture.

I can stomach the POTC tree removal because they re sick so that’s an easy choice. If they were fully healthy I’m not sure I’d green light the removal however, even if it may be the “right” choice- which is probably the same dilemma the powers that be face. Some medium sized trees in the POTC courtyard that are pruned properly is probably the right move.

Man, I wish I could have experienced TL in the 60s. Agree about those gigantic ficuses but considering the version of Tomorrowland we have now - would it really be worth removing them or replacing them with smaller trees? We re not really missing out on a great view and have that Astro Orbitor messing everything up anyway. Would it be worth exposing the two show buildings they were meant to obscure?
 
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mickEblu

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I dunno if I'd want that life. I love Disneyland as much as anyone else, but I wouldn't want going to the parks it to feel like a job and not just going for enjoyment. Always having each trip have a purpose, always filming, etc. Just not for me. More power to him and the others who are cool with all that though.

I agree. I couldn’t do it. Walking around the park filming yourself talking to yourself all day long?
 

mickEblu

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Forgot to ask @TP2000 (since based on your posting history it sounds like you are somewhat of a green thumb) would it even be possible to plant new trees where some of these giants are standing now considering the crazy root systems that must be under the ground?
 

chadwpalm

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In the Parks
No
I agree. I couldn’t do it. Walking around the park filming yourself talking to yourself all day long?
Yeah, I was watching one of his recent videos and realized that Fresh Baked is pretty much him now with his wife occasionally going (someone's gotta watch the kid). It's weird, because just a couple years ago he had a team of people that went (Ian, Sara, etc.) and now that he can finally make it a full time job he's all alone....walking around the parks alone talking to a camera. There's no more banter or exchanging of thoughts and ideas. Just him and his own thoughts. It's definitely shifted the paradigm of the content which used to be a day long trip broken up over the week, to sprinkling in construction updates, to now being a mix of trip reports, podcasts, and news...and most of the trip reports are a lot more geared to specific purposes than just general hanging out.

Many of my more recent trips have been alone and while it is cool to be able to do whatever you want in the parks, it does tend to get a little lonely at times. Especially now that I have a 2 year old nephew and find myself constantly thinking how much he'd love certain things. There's something to be said about going to Disneyland with friends and family and sharing the experience.
 

TP2000

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Forgot to ask @TP2000 (since based on your posting history it sounds like you are somewhat of a green thumb) would it even be possible to plant new trees where some of these giants are standing now considering the crazy root systems that must be under the ground?

Of course. Don't forget what Walt said; anything is possible at Disneyland! ;)

And by that I mean, Disneyland has daily access to a highly trained and well funded Horticulture department. The beauty of the park's landscaping speaks for the caliber of their talent. But Disneyland also has the ability and funding to bring in outside teams that have the heavy machinery to dig out and extract root systems from these trees, and then prep the area for new growth and future decades.

Would it be easy to remove and replace the Tomorrowland ficus trees? No, you're not going to be able to do that with just a few guys and a trip to Home Depot. It will require digging and extraction, shoring up building foundations, and some heavy machinery specifically made for stump removal and root extraction. And some money. But it's entirely possible. Then you refill the hole with several strata of draining soil and materials, and replant.

This isn't root extraction per se, but sometimes I'll just watch videos like this for an hour or so. I have no idea why I enjoy these videos, but I imagine somewhere in my ancient DNA there's an old Swedish lumberman who is smiling.

 
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mickEblu

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Of course. Don't forget what Walt said; anything is possible at Disneyland! ;)

And by that I mean, Disneyland has daily access to a highly trained and well funded Horticulture department. The beauty of the park's landscaping speaks for the caliber of their talent. But Disneyland also has the ability and funding to bring in outside teams that have the heavy machinery to dig out and extract root systems from these trees, and then prep the area for new growth and future decades.

Would it be easy to remove and replace the Tomorrowland ficus trees? No, you're not going to be able to do that with just a few guys and a trip to Home Depot. It will require digging and extraction, shoring up building foundations, and some heavy machinery specifically made for stump removal and root extraction. And some money. But it's entirely possible. Then you refill the hole with several strata of draining soil and materials, and replant.

Haha. Yeah that makes sense. I figured it would be expensive, a lot of work and require them redoing some of the surrounding areas. I wonder for example how much of let’s say, the Pixie Hollow area and the area Outside of Plaza Inn would need to be demo’d to extract those roots. In other words how big of a hole they need to extract those roots. Of course they could always just prune the trees. Haha
 

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