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George Lucas on a Bench

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I think one of the keys to its superiority is its nostalgic old school feel. Disneyland mostly looks to the past in its themes and attractions. Everybody knows this, making the "Disneyland is not a museum" schtick we read and hear time and time again by even Disney employees all the more baffling. Yes, it's like a museum. It's a nostalgic time capsule.

Everything works against Galaxy Edge. It shuns all the classic Star Wars elements and characters in favor of modern Disney Star Wars. Rather than using something recognizable and nostalgic like the beloved George Lucas Star Wars, they created a weird boring planet devoid of whimsy populated by the Disney characters. Music, a key element that drew inspiration from the past in Star Wars and is simply inseparable from the series...is not to be found in GE.
 

mickEblu

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I think one of the keys to its superiority is its nostalgic old school feel. Disneyland mostly looks to the past in its themes and attractions. Everybody knows this, making the "Disneyland is not a museum" schtick we read and hear time and time again by even Disney employees all the more baffling. Yes, it's like a museum. It's a nostalgic time capsule.


Everything works against Galaxy Edge. It shuns all the classic Star Wars elements and characters in favor of modern Disney Star Wars. Rather than using something recognizable and nostalgic like the beloved George Lucas Star Wars, they created a weird boring planet devoid of whimsy populated by the Disney characters. Music, a key element that drew inspiration from the past in Star Wars and is simply inseparable from the series...is not to be found in GE.


Well said. With the changes I’ve seen the last few years I hope they do make it a real museum or at least make certain attractions and parts of the park historical landmarks.
 

smooch

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Galaxies Edge made me appreciate Cars Land in a way I didn’t before. Yeah I don’t spend a lot of time there (but really other than NOS I don’t spend a lot of time anywhere) and yeah I think the RSR experience is less than the sum of its parts but after GE I began to feel differently about it. Could it be that it’s not the new kid on the block anymore? Maybe but it’s a land (kind of) built in the same era as GE. It has the same huge scale as GE but they executed the land to give us that Disney whimsy and charm.
I think one of the keys to its superiority is its nostalgic old school feel. Disneyland mostly looks to the past in its themes and attractions. Everybody knows this, making the "Disneyland is not a museum" schtick we read and hear time and time again by even Disney employees all the more baffling. Yes, it's like a museum. It's a nostalgic time capsule.

Everything works against Galaxy Edge. It shuns all the classic Star Wars elements and characters in favor of modern Disney Star Wars. Rather than using something recognizable and nostalgic like the beloved George Lucas Star Wars, they created a weird boring planet devoid of whimsy populated by the Disney characters. Music, a key element that drew inspiration from the past in Star Wars and is simply inseparable from the series...is not to be found in GE.

I think the thing that it really all comes down to for me is that GE takes itself too seriously. Given the fact that it is located in Disneyland where everything is built to be sort of realistic but caricatures of what they represent like Frontierland being a romanticized representation of the old west and so on. Cars Land does just that, they don't try to say that we are living in the canon timeline of the Cars universe which could lock them into certain decisions. Added on that is like mentioned before they only use Disney Star Wars which has notoriously had poor reception compared to classic Star Wars. Yes everyone can argue they actually liked the sequels and think original Star Wars is boring, but we haven't seen the movies have the cultural impact Star Wars did when it was released and when the rest of the original trilogy movies were released.

The fact that it is in Disneyland is what bothers me the most, because you could make the argument that Pandora also takes itself seriously and is canon in the Avatar timeline but aside from the fact that people didn't care about Avatar story-wise that much, I think the park it is in is what allows it to take itself more seriously. I bring Pandora up in the GE debate a lot but I think it is a valid point, Animal Kingdom does take itself more seriously than castle parks like Disneyland and Magic Kingdom. That's why I think the more serious, "realistic" style of the land works, it meshes with the other areas like Harambe in the park that are also realistic depictions of real world areas (however realistic you want to argue it is, but it's not a polished idealized representation like NOS for example). But because GE is a bleak, war torn, hyper realistic / serious land that is surrounded by so many charming lands that don't take themselves seriously, it seriously sticks out in a bad way. It would be like if Disney had the Fairy Godmother walking around in Fantasyland forever and because she is from Cinderella we can only have the same few Cinderella characters, but we can't even have the main character everyone loves walking around.

I definitely think they have the framework to make the land more enjoyable, even if they removed the canon status and allowed walkaround characters of Darth Vader, Luke, Leia, Han, etc. we would have the same land there. I would love to see more characters and to have things tied to the OT and heck even the prequels, but that wouldn't fix the land. I have loved Cars Land since the first time I visited it, the neon signs at night are so incredibly beautiful and seeing the cars driving around gives the land a very unique aspect to it with fun kinetic motion. I also really enjoy the ride system, I think it's a good mix of darkroom storytelling and thrill. I love the indoor section, they just have fun with the ride. It isn't realistic you drive into the cave and then end up back on the main road in Radiator Springs, but I just think seeing the area at night with all the cars around is super cool.
 

TROR

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mickEblu

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I think the thing that it really all comes down to for me is that GE takes itself too seriously. Given the fact that it is located in Disneyland where everything is built to be sort of realistic but caricatures of what they represent like Frontierland being a romanticized representation of the old west and so on. Cars Land does just that, they don't try to say that we are living in the canon timeline of the Cars universe which could lock them into certain decisions. Added on that is like mentioned before they only use Disney Star Wars which has notoriously had poor reception compared to classic Star Wars. Yes everyone can argue they actually liked the sequels and think original Star Wars is boring, but we haven't seen the movies have the cultural impact Star Wars did when it was released and when the rest of the original trilogy movies were released.

The fact that it is in Disneyland is what bothers me the most, because you could make the argument that Pandora also takes itself seriously and is canon in the Avatar timeline but aside from the fact that people didn't care about Avatar story-wise that much, I think the park it is in is what allows it to take itself more seriously. I bring Pandora up in the GE debate a lot but I think it is a valid point, Animal Kingdom does take itself more seriously than castle parks like Disneyland and Magic Kingdom. That's why I think the more serious, "realistic" style of the land works, it meshes with the other areas like Harambe in the park that are also realistic depictions of real world areas (however realistic you want to argue it is, but it's not a polished idealized representation like NOS for example). But because GE is a bleak, war torn, hyper realistic / serious land that is surrounded by so many charming lands that don't take themselves seriously, it seriously sticks out in a bad way. It would be like if Disney had the Fairy Godmother walking around in Fantasyland forever and because she is from Cinderella we can only have the same few Cinderella characters, but we can't even have the main character everyone loves walking around.

I definitely think they have the framework to make the land more enjoyable, even if they removed the canon status and allowed walkaround characters of Darth Vader, Luke, Leia, Han, etc. we would have the same land there. I would love to see more characters and to have things tied to the OT and heck even the prequels, but that wouldn't fix the land. I have loved Cars Land since the first time I visited it, the neon signs at night are so incredibly beautiful and seeing the cars driving around gives the land a very unique aspect to it with fun kinetic motion. I also really enjoy the ride system, I think it's a good mix of darkroom storytelling and thrill. I love the indoor section, they just have fun with the ride. It isn't realistic you drive into the cave and then end up back on the main road in Radiator Springs, but I just think seeing the area at night with all the cars around is super cool.


Well Said. I really enjoy the sequel trilogy and find it much more entertaining than the original trilogy. So my issue really has nothing to with the sequel trilogy but is them being so fixed on that time line and excluding characters from the OT. The Bantha mover would have been huge for the land and Chapek needs to get fired for cutting that out of the budget. Of course, it’s not just the timeline, my main issues are the lack of greenery, water features, kinetic energy etc.


So I say bring on some sort of stunt show featuring a lightsaber duel. Give me a cave walkthrough with a holographic or AA Yoda. C3P0 and R2D2 should Always be walking around the land as well as other random droids and aliens. I’m honestly ok with no Han, Leia or Luke as seeing CM actors that look nothing like the real characters does nothing for me. Darth Vader needs to make an appearance in the land somehow. Maybe in some little show the same way they do with Kylo over on the First Order side of the land. The dinner show restaurant With some Jabbas lair esque AAs would be great too. None of this really solves the lack of kinetic energy though. That’s the one thing I’m not sure they can fix. The fake ships taking off don’t work when you see them sitting their stationary behind a fence and you just walked by a real train, ship, boat, raft, and canoes on the ROA that all move. If not the Bantha Mover they need to add something that moves along that wall separating the ROA from GE. Of course, in the aftermath of COVID 19 we d be lucky to see C3PO, let alone everything else I listed.
 
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smooch

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Well Said. I really enjoy the sequel trilogy and find it much more entertaining than the original trilogy. So my issue really has nothing to with the sequel trilogy but is them being so fixed on that time line and excluding characters from the OT. The Bantha mover would have been huge for the land and Chapek needs to get fired for cutting that out of the budget. Of course, it’s not just the timeline, my main issues are the lack of greenery, water features, kinetic energy etc.


So I say bring on some sort of stunt show featuring a lightsaber duel. Give me a cave walkthrough with a holographic or AA Yoda. C3P0 and R2D2 should Always be walking around the land as well as other random droids and aliens. I’m honestly ok with no Han, Leia or Luke as seeing CM actors that look nothing like the real characters does nothing for me. Darth Vader needs to make an appearance in the land somehow. Maybe in some little show the same way they do with Kylo over on the First Order side of the land. The dinner show restaurant With some Jabbas lair esque AAs would be great too. None of this really solves the lack of kinetic energy though. That’s the one thing I’m not sure they can fix. The fake ships taking off don’t work when you see them sitting their stationary behind a fence and you just walked by a real train, ship, boat, raft, and canoes on the ROA that all move. If not the Bantha Mover they need to add something that moves along that wall separating the ROA from GE. Of course, in the aftermath of COVID 19 we d be lucky to see C3PO, let alone everything else I listed.

I think it's hilarious knowing they've had all the Star Wars costumes for like Darth Vader and Darth Maul from the Jedi Training Academy and they can't use them just because it's not in the timeline. A permanent training academy location would have been so cool to have but it doesn't fit the lore, yet they have scrappers building lightsabers for tourists. And yes the fact that there are canoes and the Mark Twain on the ROA right outside of GE makes the difference very apparent. I wish they could have added some sort of motion to the ships, it's so silly they even put them behind walls. At least make them photo opportunities and let people sit in them. They could have made a People Mover-esque ride where it is themed to the Luke's Speeder model just adapted to fit a few rows of people per vehicle and put that somewhere so it is visible in other parts of the land, that could add some kinetic movement, a relaxing ride themed to Star Wars, but nothing of that sort at all.
 

smooch

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I don't think I've ever seen a Family Guy episode it its entirety- and this comment just ensured that I never will.

Honestly it's like the Simpsons for me, I will ONLY watch the old episodes. And I know Family Guy isn't as old of a series but the first couple seasons were genuinely funny. That being said, I think the Simpsons is a better show in comparison, the iconic character style and the type of humor in the Simpsons are more enjoyable in general, but there are still some pretty good Family Guy episodes. I think it's sad when shows end up going on for so long that they lose all sense of identity and the new episodes are so distinctly different from the original show in the worst ways possible. I'm all for shows evolving over time, but it feels like both shows have lost their sense of humor and their charm, and I know this is a very popular opinion, but when I saw the Disney+ Simpson short with Maggie it reaffirmed why I will never watch a new Simpsons episode, it feels like a show made my different people using the same characters, probably because that's exactly what it is.
 

SuddenStorm

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Honestly it's like the Simpsons for me, I will ONLY watch the old episodes. And I know Family Guy isn't as old of a series but the first couple seasons were genuinely funny. That being said, I think the Simpsons is a better show in comparison, the iconic character style and the type of humor in the Simpsons are more enjoyable in general, but there are still some pretty good Family Guy episodes. I think it's sad when shows end up going on for so long that they lose all sense of identity and the new episodes are so distinctly different from the original show in the worst ways possible. I'm all for shows evolving over time, but it feels like both shows have lost their sense of humor and their charm, and I know this is a very popular opinion, but when I saw the Disney+ Simpson short with Maggie it reaffirmed why I will never watch a new Simpsons episode, it feels like a show made my different people using the same characters, probably because that's exactly what it is.

I've watched an embarrassing amount of early Simpsons with my D+ membership, the early seasons are delightful comedy and I love watching traditional animation. It scares me that Disney's trying to integrate them with the Disney brand.
 

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