The Matterhorn- Tomorrowland or Fantasyland?

[Rich T]

A Roomba is sort of like a robot butler.

I should have been more specific.

 

[Rich T]

Who says we don't have a city on the moon?

No, no, no not THAT dump! (Just one Starbucks and it’s inside the company store???) A REAL city!

 

[Practical Pig]

The fact he didn't mention Arrow at all in the Imagineering Story show is testament ...

Well, to be fair, he didn't edit the show himself.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Well, to be fair, he didn't edit the show himself.

Definitely, but I think it's the whole package- selling his autograph on cheap prints of attraction posters, his way of telling stories that often ignores the team he was with, the fact he sells pine of his head, etc, that make me think the fame has gotten to him a bit in the last decade.

He's iconic and his contributions to the industry deserve respect, but I could do without the unabashed monetization of his fanbase.

 

[mickEblu]

Definitely, but I think it's the whole package- selling his autograph on cheap prints of attraction posters, his way of telling stories that often ignores the team he was with, the fact he sells pine of his head, etc, that make me think the fame has gotten to him a bit in the last decade.

He's iconic and his contributions to the industry deserve respect, but I could do without the unabashed monetization of his fanbase.

I have to admit I felt the same way when I first saw him selling the autographs for $20 a pop (Kind of feels a little too commercial and as you say cheapens it) but then I thought who am I to knock this man for making a living? I mean, Disney the company engages in the same unabashed monetization of their fan base yet we give them our money hand over fist. So why not support one of the legends of Disneyland and the theme park industry?

 

[WallyWorld]

I voted other....it's a transition between the 2. Such a good transition, there is a poll about it this many years later.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Pirates Liar on Tom Sawyer Island. Speaking just on current state, something being fantasy doesn't seem to mean it fits only in Fantasyland. That's part of the conundrum: if the only thing that defines the Matterhorn as belonging in Fantasyland, is a monster, the folklore of which is actually part of the real life cultures of some folks (maybe not geographically), then does it really belong in Fantasyland?

Sort as an academic exercise: would Expedition Everest thematically fit within Disneyland's Fantasyland?

Pirates Liar does not fall into Frontierland. It's its own thing dab smack in the middle of the rivers of america on tom sawyer island. not part of any land.

 

[Rich T]

Pirates Liar does not fall into Frontierland. It's its own thing dab smack in the middle of the rivers of america on tom sawyer island. not part of any land.

There is one threadbare way Pirates Lair fits onto Tom Sawyer Island: In the book, Tom and his friends love to pretend to be bloodthirsty pirates.

Yes, it’s a lame justification for the makeover and—boy, oh boy did Disney latch onto it as their shield (“We’re not ruining the island, we’re making it even *more* faithful to Mark Twain’s work!”)

Blechhh.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Definitely, but I think it's the whole package- selling his autograph on cheap prints of attraction posters, his way of telling stories that often ignores the team he was with, the fact he sells pine of his head, etc, that make me think the fame has gotten to him a bit in the last decade.

He's iconic and his contributions to the industry deserve respect, but I could do without the unabashed monetization of his fanbase.

I took the tour that @mickEblu mentioned. It was a fun experience. Not mindblowing, and the accompanying video that was made for the tour didn't work, but he was a fun tour guide and it was cool to be shown around by an Imagineering legend.

While he hasn't really mentioned a team he worked with, I don't really feel like that's super unique among the "celebrity" Imagineers. Tony Baxter, for example, in the many podcasts, interviews, etc I've watched/listened to, will talk about his relationship/mentoring by Claude Coats, but he doesn't really talk about anyone else who worked with him either when he's talking about his own attractions.

I will admit that I could do without the "pay money to have a BBQ at Gurr's House for occasion x" emails I get from time to time, but I'm not going to let them sour my opinion of his legacy.

And as for the autographs on the cheap attraction posters? You can call me a schmuck if you want, but I regret nothing.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Also, Pirates Lair is hot trash that makes no sense except for mercenary reasons, and if there was anything cool that came in the original update, it appeared to be long gone last year when I visited. WDW's TSI, left relatively unaltered up to and including an open fort you can still explore, is much better.

 

[smooch]

I used to agree with this. Then I got old. And the bobsleds got less comfortable.

I'm very young and on my last trip to DLR in July 2018 I noticed how rough the tracks really were. I remember thinking during the whole ride that it was honestly a tiny bit painful from the sudden jerking around like the one section where you dip down suddenly into the lower tunnel area. That being said, I would be devastated if they gutted the tracks and redid them and it lost the roughness. I think that's part of the ride's identity, whether it's comfortable or not. It makes it more believable to me, a bobsled run down a mountain would be a rough experience and it's fun to pretend.