NewfieFan
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Ah yes, I've received those before! Of course, you could walk right into the next show!
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh FASTPASS distribution temporarily moving
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Ah yes, I've received those before! Of course, you could walk right into the next show!
Yes they are continuing to do this.
fireworkz
Active Member
Exactly! I know the only purpose of this is to promote Philharmagic, but seems odd to continue doing this promotion when you're right in front of it.
Then again as Raven said many don't know it's even there hiding behind all of the strollers. Plus no visible outside line or queue like the rest of FL.
Neverland
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Yup, at Peter Pan's Flight. And I was also told that the Philhar fastpass machines will be half Pooh, half Philharmagic (with signs telling guests which machines will give you what). Don't know how much truth there is to that, that's just what I heard.
BrerFrog
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RAXIP
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From The Hub:
Pooh FASTPASS distribution moves to PhilharMagic July 7
Date: 07/05/2010
As work for the expansion of Fantasyland continues, FASTPASS distribution for The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh is relocating to Mickey's PhilharMagic. While we aren't currently offering FASTPASS for PhilharMagic, we will continue to occasionally distribute surprise passes for the attraction along with those for Pooh and Peter Pan.
Neverland
Active Member
That's probably what the person who told me heard, she was just confused. So technically the Philhar fastpass machines will sorta be half Pooh half Philhar, but in the same way the Pooh fastpass machines were. With special surprise fastpasses... That everyone gets... :lol:
Biff215
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The area in front of Pooh is a huge mess right now. When we were there last week, it was hard to even find the Fastpass machines as they were literally boxed in by construction walls.
We rode both Pan and Pooh multiple times (we have a 2 year old), and wouldn't even think about riding either without a Fastpass. Those lines are not only slow but also really boring for kids and adults alike. Hopefully this work will address that issue at Pooh.
We rode both Pan and Pooh multiple times (we have a 2 year old), and wouldn't even think about riding either without a Fastpass. Those lines are not only slow but also really boring for kids and adults alike. Hopefully this work will address that issue at Pooh.
Next Big Thing
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Rob562
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True, but without Fastpass those Standby lines would move 5x-10x faster (or whatever the ratio of Fastpass-to-Standby Guests is on those attractions). Yes, there would be some additional people in line in front of you because they would've used FP if it were available, but I think the line itself would still move a lot faster.
I feel Fastpass works best on medium-capacity attractions, where the Standby doesn't get TOO long, and the attraction can still handle the throughput. ToT, the coasters, Safari, Jungle Cruise, etc
Where it really doesn't work at all are the super-high-capacity attractions like Haunted Mansion (which they thankfully removed Fastpass on) or Buzz (which should really have FP removed), or shows that handle thousands of people at once (Indy, LMA, etc).
It also causes more problems than it's worth at the low-capacity attractions like Pan and Pooh. Because the ride system is so low-capacity, it keeps the Fastpass waiting line long, and the Standby line at an utter crawl.
So while I'm fine with the FP system in general, I think it really needs some tweaking/removal in a few instances.
-Rob
Horizonsfan
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Totally agree. Once again, the Disneyland resort figured this out about FP a few years ago yet somehow WDW hasn't.
tirian
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Quoted for truth.
If I'm not mistaken, DL removed FP from their PPF because the Standby was ridiculously long.
FP works in some cases, but it simply isn't needed for omnimovers and short dark rides.
Biff215
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Totally agreed, but I'm still thankful for it while it exists. Waiting 2 minutes for Pan or Pooh or 30 is a huge difference when bringing a 2 year old!
I agree the system is misused in many ways. I had to laugh each time we walked by Pan and saw the ridiculous 45+ minute wait. If you don't walk off that ride disappointed after that then I'll hand it to you! Once you ride it once you realize it's not worth anything more than a 15 minute wait (Pooh also).
Neverland
Active Member
This is what it looked like a few days ago:
From what I understand, what will be happening is that that wall is going to expand and encompass the fastpass distribution area, half of Pooh's queue, and then I'm assuming more of the queue eventually. For a little while, guests will enter and exit in the same areas they do now, but I heard that the entrance and exit will be moved around as the reworking progresses. All this just sounds like it will be utter chaos in there...
RSoxNo1
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Other than Nemo Submarine Voyage, I'm not sure Disneyland has an attraction in the main park that doesn't use fastpass that should. I would argue that there are several in the Magic Kingdom that should use it, and yes that would include Pirates, Mansion and it's a small world all seasonally. I agree than Buzz should switch over to seasonal Fastpass operation, but in my opinion, you shouldn't have to wait more than 30 minutes for an attraction without Fastpass being an option.
The ride system is irrelevant, if the standby weight will be over 30 minutes, than Fastpass should be offered. It's that simple. The difference is shows - Fastpass doesn't seem to work that well. They need to start stamping them with the same tag going on the World of Color Fastpasses "Early and Late Entrance will not be Permitted".
Next Big Thing
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I'm not sure when you're going that the wait for PotC is over 30 min. I was ther on July 3rd the other day and walked straight on. HM had a bit of a line, but it was moving, pretty decent and the sign said 20 mins. The Buzz line seemed to be moving pretty well everytime I went on it while I was there. We had to have went on it at least 10 times and didn't wait more than 10-15 minutes each time. When there was no FP, obviously we went faster, but it was going pretty fast.
Also, IASW does not need FP, even seasonally. I go to the parks at least once or twice a month and there has only been 1 time in the past year i've seen IASW get up over 30 minutes and that was last August. It was a walk on all last week. I also agree with whoever said that the smaller capacity rides like Pooh and Pan shouldn't have FP. All it does is slow up what could be a fairly quick stand by line without FP.
Neverland
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I waited 40 minutes for PotC last Monday. They had both sides of the queue open, as well as the extended queue that snakes back and forth across the covered entry area.
RSoxNo1
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It's not often for Pirates, Mansion and Small World, but I go during non-peak times and I've seen the waits for all three at 30 minutes+ in the last 3 years.
The comparison to Disneyland is tough because there are more attractions in Disneyland to help spread the crowds. If any attraction needs Fastpass in the Magic Kingdom it's Tomorrowland Speedway. I just feel that on most days of the year, you should at least have the option to use Fastpass for attractions that have waits over 30 minutes.
I think on pretty much every day, Peter Pan would still have a wait over 30 minutes without Fastpass, so I wouldn't eliminate it - all that would be is a bandaid solution to a minor problem: The Standby line for Peter Pan is too long. I would say that Winnie the Pooh often times has a wait of about 40 minutes, and while I think it should keep Fastpass, I think it's a better argument for removal than Peter Pan.
Either way, the real issue isn't "should these attractions have fastpass". The issues are:
To those that say Disneyland has it figured out - I completely disagree. The parks are completely different, and by virtue of having more things to do in Disneyland than Disney World, the wait times for the major attractions are going to be shorter.
The comparison to Disneyland is tough because there are more attractions in Disneyland to help spread the crowds. If any attraction needs Fastpass in the Magic Kingdom it's Tomorrowland Speedway. I just feel that on most days of the year, you should at least have the option to use Fastpass for attractions that have waits over 30 minutes.
I think on pretty much every day, Peter Pan would still have a wait over 30 minutes without Fastpass, so I wouldn't eliminate it - all that would be is a bandaid solution to a minor problem: The Standby line for Peter Pan is too long. I would say that Winnie the Pooh often times has a wait of about 40 minutes, and while I think it should keep Fastpass, I think it's a better argument for removal than Peter Pan.
Either way, the real issue isn't "should these attractions have fastpass". The issues are:
- Capacity of the specific attractions
- Capacity of Fantasyland as a whole
- Capacity of the Magic Kingdom as a whole
- Too many Fastpasses distributed for these attractions
To those that say Disneyland has it figured out - I completely disagree. The parks are completely different, and by virtue of having more things to do in Disneyland than Disney World, the wait times for the major attractions are going to be shorter.