The Land Escalator Replacement?

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I don't. Seemed a shame.
The entrance to the Land is shaded in the afternoon. I have noticed scores of people sitting or napping on the walls along the sidewalk. Maybe the Glass was making it too hot in there...or...the tree was about to break through so instead of getting rid of the tree, they removed the obstruction. But, I really haven't got a clue. :p
 

willtravel

Well-Known Member
Love this! So true. I can remember in March 1983 being in awe of that building inside. Then again, I was in awe of every building in Epcot Center FW. None of it feels like this anymore. The closest is this building from inside. The smell inside is a top 5 greatest smell in all of WDW. Also, the most aweinspiring for me back then was walking up to WoM. Seeing the ride curl around outside and into the building was magnetic for my imagination! Every ride in that park (1983) had me at "Hello" I was 12 yrs old too!
I agree with you. WOM was for me so aaahhh inspiring. And all of the pavillions back then. I think they created the feel they were suppose to create. For me, whats inside to explore. A time that can never come back or recreated. That why I don't complain about the pavillions and explore all and everything. They could end up like WOL.:eek:
 

articos

Well-Known Member
The entrance to the Land is shaded in the afternoon. I have noticed scores of people sitting or napping on the walls along the sidewalk. Maybe the Glass was making it too hot in there...or...the tree was about to break through so instead of getting rid of the tree, they removed the obstruction. But, I really haven't got a clue. :p

It does get hot over there, but my guess is it was structural. Don't know. If that piece needed to be rebuilt, I can see the company just opting to remove it, then horticulture not realizing they needed to keep that tree pruned.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
My guess is simply general aesthetic reasons. The whole hill up to The Land has been turned into a DAK Oasis Lite.

The area used to be more classical EPCOT. Clean lines. Stern, sparse. Then during the latest makeover some new kids decided that because the pavilion is about the land, there should be like lotsa trees and shrubs and plants and stuff, 'and you know what would look kool too...how 'bout we have some trees growing through the roof, glass domes are like so eighties'.
Just guessing here, but I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't too far off.

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MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
The Land, like all of the original pavilions, was built with a sense of discovery to its entry. There's a build up of anticipation that's planned into the arrival. You were to walk towards the towering glass pyramid that was built to resemble a huge geometric greenhouse, with a wide open skylit entry beckoning you towards glass entry doors, with lots of natural light inside. Not the mostly hidden, dark entryway the way it is today, with the huge planter completely blocking any view of the entry from the front. The entry of the land was symmetrical to the entries of the other pavilions around and opposite. Once you were inside, it opened up all around you, and you could just see the boats taking off for the greenhouse underneath, along with the food court down below. You were made - by design - to have to walk all the way around the edges of the pavilion to create a sense of entry and lay out what was to come once you were inside the pavilion, before being given the option to go in to one of the shows, or go downstairs to eat or ride Living with the Land. When you walked into The Land, you took a moment to take it all in, then got (somewhat) excited to go on Living with the Land, with a real human. (Yes, it was a decent ride back then, darnit!)

It's not the pavilion that has a poor layout, it's that Soarin' was never meant to go here, nor is the pavilion used or staffed the way it was designed. Respectfully, I think "keeping Soarin' and bulldozing the rest of it" or opening the ground floor means essentially throwing away "The Land" as a place and admitting that it's just Soarin' now, which I disagree with. I'd rather renovate the pavilion and give it a new lease on life modernizing what it was built to be, rather than just throw all of the marbles to Soarin', which was squeezed in with very little thought.


Nicely stated. I think Soarin', with a new film, needs a new entrance, from World Showcase. There are several spots where one could be built that are no further from the actual show building than the Land Pavilion is. Put a new movie in the Circle of Life theater, preferably with some AA's on stage to help tell the story. The intention should be for the movie to be seen first, let you off downstairs to ride a rejuvenated (but only slightly, it still holds up well) boat ride through the greenhouses. Were I to get everything I want, our AA guides that we met in the new theater presentation would make several appearances on the ride as well, perhaps in the scenes at the start of the ride (or something that replaces a portion of those), again between greenhouses, and again just before disembarking, to continue the story. And then, reclaim the old Food Rocks/Kitchen Kabaret theater for an AA/mulitmedia presentation about future land use (maybe with the smell of oranges from an automated citrus farm that is sure to be just over the Horizon).

Ok, done dreaming. Back to work.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
There she is, the way she's supposed to look, with proper landscaping and clean glass/paint.
Been meaning to post this. Two glass panels on the left (south) side were broken and replaced by two panels of unknown material, or possibly they were simply dirty beyond belief.
Anybody notice this, or know if it's been repaired?
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Also, bonus! Behold the splendour of EPCOT Center. Its murals, its artistry, its majesty.

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articos

Well-Known Member
My guess is simply general aesthetic reasons. The whole hill up to The Land has been turned into a DAK Oasis Lite.

The area used to be more classical EPCOT. Clean lines. Stern, sparse. Then during the latest makeover some new kids decided that because the pavilion is about the land, there should be like lotsa trees and shrubs and plants and stuff, 'and you know what would look kool too...how 'bout we have some trees growing through the roof, glass domes are like so eighties'.
Just guessing here, but I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't too far off.

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I don't believe it was really that intentional. The trees were never supposed to get as large or lush as they have been allowed to become. The landscape is supposed to complement the building, not hide it. The horticulture team evidently never got that memo, and just let the mature trees get out of hand. I think when the sign was redone, they replanted the planter with little input from WDI or consulting the original design intent, and since the area was starting to get overrun, they just decided that trees fit with the other trees, and added. Then those matured and filled in, and we have what we have now. I don't think the Oasis Lite look was planned, it's just become that way, and now they try to complement what's already there. Even though it's not supposed to be. They wouldn't have taken the skylight out without a reason. That thing is heavy.
 

Belowthesurface

Well-Known Member
Respectfully, I think "keeping Soarin' and bulldozing the rest of it" or opening the ground floor means essentially throwing away "The Land" as a place and admitting that it's just Soarin' now, which I disagree with.

Disney kind of already does this with park signage that says 'The Land featuring Soarin' and the giant sign out front of the Land.
 

Nemo14

Well-Known Member
The Land, like all of the original pavilions, was built with a sense of discovery to its entry. There's a build up of anticipation that's planned into the arrival. You were to walk towards the towering glass pyramid that was built to resemble a huge geometric greenhouse, with a wide open skylit entry beckoning you towards glass entry doors, with lots of natural light inside. Not the mostly hidden, dark entryway the way it is today, with the huge planter completely blocking any view of the entry from the front. The entry of the land was symmetrical to the entries of the other pavilions around and opposite. Once you were inside, it opened up all around you, and you could just see the boats taking off for the greenhouse underneath, along with the food court down below. You were made - by design - to have to walk all the way around the edges of the pavilion to create a sense of entry and lay out what was to come once you were inside the pavilion, before being given the option to go in to one of the shows, or go downstairs to eat or ride Living with the Land. When you walked into The Land, you took a moment to take it all in, then got (somewhat) excited to go on Living with the Land, with a real human. (Yes, it was a decent ride back then, darnit!)

It's not the pavilion that has a poor layout, it's that Soarin' was never meant to go here, nor is the pavilion used or staffed the way it was designed. Respectfully, I think "keeping Soarin' and bulldozing the rest of it" or opening the ground floor means essentially throwing away "The Land" as a place and admitting that it's just Soarin' now, which I disagree with. I'd rather renovate the pavilion and give it a new lease on life modernizing what it was built to be, rather than just throw all of the marbles to Soarin', which was squeezed in with very little thought.


Wish I could triple "like" this! I miss EPCOT Center!!!!
 

DsnyFevr

Active Member
Yup - and if WDW would get the FP machines for Soarin out FRONT, or on the top floor, I suspect they would be in much better shape. Just a personal observation - but I think a good 45% of the traffic is to GET to the FP machines, and another 45% to get BACK to Soarin.
Very smart, this is very much needed.
 

articos

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, there are these technological innovations called "maps" and "signs" that appear to tip off the location of theme park attractions. :eek:

Of course, I was joking, and the original comment was regarding one attraction, Soarin', minimizing the importance of the rest of the attraction. :)
 

coolbeans14

Active Member
Even in its current state, it's definitely one of my favourite- and in my opinion most complete- pavilions. Although, I wish it still looked as amazing as it used to.
 

Cosmic Commando

Well-Known Member
So going on my Fastpass+ will it interact with my magic band?

Deluxe resort guests will receive unlimited escalator experiences during the length of their stay.
Moderate resort guests will receive four escalator experiences each day during the length of their stay.
Value resort guests will receive one escalator experience each day during the length of their stay. Don't use it on the way down!
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Deluxe resort guests will receive unlimited escalator experiences during the length of their stay.
Moderate resort guests will receive four escalator experiences each day during the length of their stay.
Value resort guests will receive one escalator experience each day during the length of their stay. Don't use it on the way down!
And offsite guest have to scale the outside of the building where it is exposed, and tunnel where it is not. The possible new Disney saying..."If you can't give us all your money...you ain't welcome here." Then they will pass out directions to Universal.
 

Acolli18

Well-Known Member
These escalators were done on the 11th and it caused a giant traffic jam. The line to get down the steps wrapped all the way out the main door. Bit of a ridiculous time for this to be happening!
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
These escalators were done on the 11th and it caused a giant traffic jam. The line to get down the steps wrapped all the way out the main door. Bit of a ridiculous time for this to be happening!
Disney has only been running theme parks in Florida for 40+ years. They need time to figure things out. Hiccups along the way will happen...
 

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