The Imagineering Break Room

[spacemt354]

So I finally watched The Dark Knight.


Wow!!! Unbeleivable how good it was.


If I have to say some critiques I would say:

Spoiler: DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT

the ending was a bit off. I was surprised they did not end with The Joker in jail plotting his escape, perhaps they changed it due to Ledger's tragic death?

, and that the film did feel a bit long in the last third. In a way the first 2/3rd was a different film. But those two things aside, the first half felt like it could actually happen, which is what made it scary.

It's not for everyone (hint hint: my mom thought some of the Joker's scenes were downright retarded, and my dad thought it was good, but not spectacular), but my brother and I especially loved it.

It's not a perfect masterpiece, but since nothing is perfect, if it is not considered one I don't know what is.

The Joker reminded me of ultra creative, out of the box, and downright genius characters like Jack Sparrow (in the first film), Long John Silver in Walt's original and even to a lesser extent Treasure Planet (one of the reasons why TP wasn't as good as it could have been was because they did not use Long John Silver enough and properly), Indiana Jones, etc. The Joker had the perfect double: awesomely written with great motivations and dialogue, and perfect acting that does a good script justice.
The unpredictability like Jack Sparrow, and sheer genius of scenes was perfect.

I would also put The Incredibles as the number 2 Comic Book film as the villian's motivations there are superb as well.

Good night everyone, and I recommend you watch The Dark Knight Trilogy!!!
EDIT: the more I think about it the more I realize why my critique in the spoiler tag is a non-issue. It would take away a bit from the movie's purpose, and I suppose if Heath Ledger was still with us we'd have seen more of his epic portrayal.

Oohh so you finally saw it!

iirc, I heard somewhere that the 3rd movie in the trilogy was intended to be the Joker on trial, before Ledger's death. I think that might explain the semi-anti-climatic ending because I guess it was to be continued in the next one.

It's funny while it's still in my top comic book movies of all time -- probably #1 still, I actually think the Ben Affleck Batman is a better 'Batman' than TDK Trilogy Batman. So it's weird I think the villains were superb, as are most DC villains, but the actual title character is better in another movie for me.

 

[Daveeeeed]

Oohh so you finally saw it!

iirc, I heard somewhere that the 3rd movie in the trilogy was intended to be the Joker on trial, before Ledger's death. I think that might explain the semi-anti-climatic ending because I guess it was to be continued in the next one.

It's funny while it's still in my top comic book movies of all time -- probably #1 still, I actually think the Ben Affleck Batman is a better 'Batman' than TDK Trilogy Batman. So it's weird I think the villains were superb, as are most DC villains, but the actual title character is better in another movie for me.

As a whole I think Marvel is the far better company in producing quality content, but the Villians is something DC Comics kills Marvel at. Too many Villians have either dumb motives, or have the exact same powers as the superhero.

Also having Christopher Nolan make a film for you makes the field super unfair. That being said Rises was extremely disapointing for me (besides CatWomen). You can definitely tell they weren't done with the Joker quite yet.

 

[Suchomimus]

You can definitely tell they weren't done with the Joker quite yet.

 

[spacemt354]

As a whole I think Marvel is the far better company in producing quality content, but the Villians is something DC Comics kills Marvel at. Too many Villians have either dumb motives, or have the exact same powers as the superhero.

Also having Christopher Nolan make a film for you makes the field super unfair. That being said Rises was extremely disapointing for me (besides CatWomen). You can definitely tell they weren't done with the Joker quite yet.

Im gonna go see Spiderman tonight so i will report back on how the Vulture is as a villain

Batman and Spiderman have the best rogues gallery of villains imo, and those are my two favorite comic book characters so maybe thats why maybe it gives some credence to the old saying that the hero is only as good as the villain

 

[Disney Dad 3000]

Im gonna go see Spiderman tonight so i will report back on how the Vulture is as a villain

Batman and Spiderman have the best rogues gallery of villains imo, and those are my two favorite comic book characters so maybe thats why maybe it gives some credence to the old saying that the hero is only as good as the villain

Completely agree on this. Batman and Spidey villains for the most part are phenomenal.

 

[Daveeeeed]

Completely agree on this. Batman and Spidey villains for the most part are phenomenal.

Very very true. Batman and Spider-Man have definitely the most interesting villains, I should have said MCU. Can't wait to see Spidey this weekend, and I really do hope the villain is very good. You have to report on it tomorrow @spacemt354!

It could also be that Marvel uses their villains poorly. Looking at you Mandarin!

 

[Suchomimus]

Batman and Spiderman have the best rogues gallery of villains imo, and those are my two favorite comic book characters so maybe thats why maybe it gives some credence to the old saying that the hero is only as good as the villain

Completely agree on this. Batman and Spidey villains for the most part are phenomenal.

Very very true. Batman and Spider-Man have definitely the most interesting villains, I should have said MCU.

 

[Suchomimus]

It could also be that Marvel uses their villains poorly. Looking at you Mandarin!

I believe Disney may be to blame for that, and making most Marvel movies stories; particularly the ones with the Avengers; feel like the last one, instead of going in new directions.

 

[spacemt354]

@David2319 and anyone interested

Spider-Man: Homecoming was... 'Amazing?' 'Spectacular?' Good adjectives to describe it

Seriously, this was the best Spider-Man adaptation from the comics seen yet, modernized for the 21st century. I'd rather not give away too much, but talking about villains, the Vulture is close to perfect for this film in particular for many reasons. Ned, Peter's new friend, was a really enjoyable character. An older Russel from Up basically (in a good way)

Tony Stark did not overshadow the film, and it felt like a down to earth story BUT taking place within the MCU (something the Marvel TV shows like Agents of Shield struggled with out of the gate). Most of the easter eggs actually serve a purpose, though I will say some sounded like "hey, audience...remember Thor and Hulk and all the Avengers are here too!" But those were few and far between.

I will be honest and say I didn't like the 'Michelle' character too much. Maybe it was from lack of screen time, but every time she spoke it was basically the same joke over and over that was funny the first time, but...I get it, she's supposed to be the 'I don't care about anything' girl. I hope at least in the sequel she has more character development than that.

Another thing would be that the trailers...eh, if you watched them enough you can kinda piece together the plot, but thankfully there were some very cool surprises sprinkled throughout the film and especially towards the end.

Overall - Spider-Man 2 is a tough movie to beat as my favorite Spider-Man film, but this comes pretty close to 1A on first viewing.

 

[Disney Dad 3000]

@David2319 and anyone interested

Spider-Man: Homecoming was... 'Amazing?' 'Spectacular?' Good adjectives to describe it

Seriously, this was the best Spider-Man adaptation from the comics seen yet, modernized for the 21st century. I'd rather not give away too much, but talking about villains, the Vulture is close to perfect for this film in particular for many reasons. Ned, Peter's new friend, was a really enjoyable character. An older Russel from Up basically (in a good way)

Tony Stark did not overshadow the film, and it felt like a down to earth story BUT taking place within the MCU (something the Marvel TV shows like Agents of Shield struggled with out of the gate). Most of the easter eggs actually serve a purpose, though I will say some sounded like "hey, audience...remember Thor and Hulk and all the Avengers are here too!" But those were few and far between.

I will be honest and say I didn't like the 'Michelle' character too much. Maybe it was from lack of screen time, but every time she spoke it was basically the same joke over and over that was funny the first time, but...I get it, she's supposed to be the 'I don't care about anything' girl. I hope at least in the sequel she has more character development than that.

Another thing would be that the trailers...eh, if you watched them enough you can kinda piece together the plot, but thankfully there were some very cool surprises sprinkled throughout the film and especially towards the end.

Overall - Spider-Man 2 is a tough movie to beat as my favorite Spider-Man film, but this comes pretty close to 1A on first viewing.

More importantly, how much does Aunt May factor in the film?

 

[mickeyfan5534]

The latest in my obsessions: Willam



How much do I have to pay to see a drag queen mocking some of the more irritating Disney vloggers? Language warning.

 

[spacemt354]

More importantly, how much does Aunt May factor in the film?

Ah yes, how could I forget She's good, a decent about of scenes, and one in particular at the end that is hilarious.

All in all, George Costanza would be pleased

That's another thing I forgot to mention, like most MCU movies the comedy was on point. And it's not the Guardians comedy or quippy Avengers comedy, it's got its own Spidey style.

 

[Suchomimus]

@David2319 and anyone interested

Spider-Man: Homecoming was... 'Amazing?' 'Spectacular?' Good adjectives to describe it

Seriously, this was the best Spider-Man adaptation from the comics seen yet, modernized for the 21st century. I'd rather not give away too much, but talking about villains, the Vulture is close to perfect for this film in particular for many reasons. Ned, Peter's new friend, was a really enjoyable character. An older Russel from Up basically (in a good way)

Tony Stark did not overshadow the film, and it felt like a down to earth story BUT taking place within the MCU (something the Marvel TV shows like Agents of Shield struggled with out of the gate). Most of the easter eggs actually serve a purpose, though I will say some sounded like "hey, audience...remember Thor and Hulk and all the Avengers are here too!" But those were few and far between.

I will be honest and say I didn't like the 'Michelle' character too much. Maybe it was from lack of screen time, but every time she spoke it was basically the same joke over and over that was funny the first time, but...I get it, she's supposed to be the 'I don't care about anything' girl. I hope at least in the sequel she has more character development than that.

Another thing would be that the trailers...eh, if you watched them enough you can kinda piece together the plot, but thankfully there were some very cool surprises sprinkled throughout the film and especially towards the end.

Overall - Spider-Man 2 is a tough movie to beat as my favorite Spider-Man film, but this comes pretty close to 1A on first viewing.

You just saw it too?!

 

[spacemt354]

You just saw it too?!

Yessir!

 

[D Hulk]

West Coast Avenger here reporting in. Out here in California, home state of Ant-Man, our local neighborhood Spider-Man screenings just got out.

Homecoming is a lot of fun! It doesn't try to pack too many unrelated threads, like the most recent Spidey flicks, so that thematically and plot-wise the villain, love interest, sidekicks and Stark all feel essential to this story. While Homecoming maybe lacks the emotional gut punch of Spider-Man 2, which perfectly sums up what being a young adult superhero is like (I assume), it offers a breezier version of high school life which is just as true for that age. Peter Parker is exceptionally well realized here, maybe the best big screen Spidey despite what the truly weird Andrew Garfield fans behind me thought. (Sick freaks!)

Zendaya feels she's just here to serve a bigger role in Spider-Man Prom (or whatever the next one is called), not getting much to do yet. Otherwise, it seemed on point.

 

[spacemt354]

West Coast Avenger here reporting in. Out here in California, home state of Ant-Man, our local neighborhood Spider-Man screenings just got out.

Homecoming is a lot of fun! It doesn't try to pack too many unrelated threads, like the most recent Spidey flicks, so that thematically and plot-wise the villain, love interest, sidekicks and Stark all feel essential to this story. While Homecoming maybe lacks the emotional gut punch of Spider-Man 2, which perfectly sums up what being a young adult superhero is like (I assume), it offers a breezier version of high school life which is just as true for that age. Peter Parker is exceptionally well realized here, maybe the best big screen Spidey despite what the truly weird Andrew Garfield fans behind me thought. (Sick freaks!)

Zendaya feels she's just here to serve a bigger role in Spider-Man Prom (or whatever the next one is called), not getting much to do yet. Otherwise, it seemed on point.

Spider-Man: AP Exams, Spider-Man: College Applications... maybe Spider-Man's Day Off? I would crack up if the subtitle continues to be high-school or a John Hughes reference

I also agree and hope that Zendaya is more fleshed out in the sequel, I'm sure she will be.

 

[D Hulk]

Spider-Man: AP Exams, Spider-Man: College Applications... maybe Spider-Man's Day Off? I would crack up if the subtitle continues to be high-school or a John Hughes reference

I also agree and hope that Zendaya is more fleshed out in the sequel, I'm sure she will be.

The Sinister Sixteen Candles
Flash Thompson's Day Off
Peter in Pink
Planes, Trains and Web Slingers
Uncle Ben (failed Uncle Buck reference)

 

[spacemt354]

The Sinister Sixteen Candles
Flash Thompson's Day Off
Peter in Pink
Planes, Trains and Web Slingers
Uncle Ben (failed Uncle Buck reference)

Hogan Alone
Some Kind of Spider-Man

Lol thinking all about this I really liked how there weren't any big stakes, and that unlike the prior two series, he isn't in Midtown Manhattan swinging around. He's in Queens, or in the suburbs, so while you don't get the epic 'swing' moments, in a way that actually helps it feel more grounded.

And besides, tough to top this -- 2002 cgi and it still holds up

 

[D Hulk]

Hogan Alone
Some Kind of Spider-Man

Lol thinking all about this I really liked how there weren't any big stakes, and that unlike the prior two series, he isn't in Midtown Manhattan swinging around. He's in Queens, or in the suburbs, so while you don't get the epic 'swing' moments, in a way that actually helps it feel more grounded.

And besides, tough to top this -- 2002 cgi and it still holds up

The golf course gag (and the whole suburbs chase scene) nicely demonstrates your point. It's also interesting to note that Spider-Man is the only superhuman character in the film (not counting tech heroes/villains), and yet because he's a kid it still felt like he was in danger in a way no other superhero ever has.

There are big stakes, but they're emotional, which is great. Pondering it, I like how the villain, with his backstory, has sort of rejected the great responsibility that Peter is learning. And while every scrape Peter found himself in was his own fault (at least until the third act), its kind of Stark's fault (and SHIELD's/the Avengers') that the villain even turned bad in the first place. Stark wants Peter to be an even greater hero than Iron Man, and they're showing the seeds of that nicely.

 

[spacemt354]

The golf course gag (and the whole suburbs chase scene) nicely demonstrates your point. It's also interesting to note that Spider-Man is the only superhuman character in the film (not counting tech heroes/villains), and yet because he's a kid it still felt like he was in danger in a way no other superhero ever has.

There are big stakes, but they're emotional, which is great. Pondering it, I like how the villain, with his backstory, has sort of rejected the great responsibility that Peter is learning. And while every scrape Peter found himself in was his own fault (at least until the third act), its kind of Stark's fault (and SHIELD's/the Avengers') that the villain even turned bad in the first place. Stark wants Peter to be an even greater hero than Iron Man, and they're showing the seeds of that nicely.

That's a really good point! And I guess that's why Spider-Man can connect with so many people because even though he has these fantastical powers he is still just a regular 15 year old facing adults and bullies and real world problems. I also enjoy how now when I re-watch Civil War or an Iron Man, Cap film - the weight of those characters and plot lines is heavier in the greater MCU world.

For us the audience, we know the characters inside and out, but for regular people in the MCU, Bruce Banner is a scientist students study, Captain America is only known in myth and PSAs. So when Peter tells others he has a Stark Internship, they react like he's shadowing a rock star moreso than the character we've know for several movies - to me that adds a layer of realism which I found neat. Plus, if Tony Stark invited me to fight the Avengers at the airport in CW, I'm pretty sure we all would be acting the same way Spidey did in the film