The future of the Living Seas?

[marni1971]

Seacabs

Can I just go back to an earlier part of this thread... now the seacabs are gone, do you just WALK into Seabase Alpha? Have they walled up the entrance and exit ramps?? I last visited in 2001 and had read the `cabs were down but I didn`t think for good.... shame on you Uncle Mike

 

[General Grizz]

Originally posted by Disneyfan81
1- The Little Mermaid
2- 101 Dalmations
3- Hercules
4- Aladdin
5- Timon and Pumba
6- Lilo and Stitch

Enough said?

And Tarzan

And Buzz Lightyear...

...I can't stand these shows. They make me not care for the original movies.

 

[Brian_B]

Marni -

The seacabs aren't gone. Since united technologies stopped funding the pavilion, they've had to cut back due to lack of money, which meant halting operation of the seacabs (which cost $ to keep running). They're still inside the living seas, sitting there, dormant. To answer your question, you basically walk past where you used to board the cabs, but they didn't wall anything off - the doors are just closed. This is not a WoL / Horizons / Timekeeper situation, and I think it's safe to say that the recent attention the Living Seas has been getting means that perhaps a sponsor for the ride will be realised, soon. In which case I don't see any reason for them not to reactivate the seacabs. I just wish to jehosofat they don't change that movie, but I'm positive they will. I liked finding nemo though, so I don't mind *that* much...sigh...

- Brian

 

[Bill]

Actually, it is walled off. Some of the walls were just made to look like doors.

 

[marni1971]

Seacabs

Thanks for explaining guys. Who knows - when I next visit I may be travelling in a Nemo themed seacab.... not sure if I like that or not! But any cab is better than not - its seems criminal to have millions of dollars of omnimover hardware just gathering dust. Especially as it was such a surprise to first time guests to travel out into the tank (not as good as the original glass tube concept but thats another story..)

Martin.

 

[TIGGER-FAN]

Originally posted by Brian_B
2) A badly needed cleaning of the tank?

I dove in the main tank over Thanksgiving and I can tell you it is extremely clean. I did not see any signs of algee or other growths anywhere. The paint inside the tank might need to be freshened up, but that would require moving all of the sea life and draining the tank which I don't think they will. Disney sends divers in the tanks every night with scrub brushes and vacum hoses and they scrub the place down. Also during the dive I looked into the tunnel where the sea cabs go through and they are still in there. I hope they open that part of the attraction again.

 

[Brian_B]

Bill - thanks for the clarification, it's been ages since I've been in the pavilion when it was unadulterated...

wow, tigger-fan, thanks for the unique update, it makes me feel a bit better to know that they still put *some* effort into maintaining the place. I just hope the rehab goes in depth (pun intended) and really revitalises one of the last remaining original pavilions...

-Brian

 

[civileng68]

Re: NOT bummed

Originally posted by swrdfghtr
Why should it be a wake-up call? I mean, from a financial and business standpoint, he definitely did the right thing. Pixar's "new deal" would have taken Incredibles and Cars away from Disney. Disney would have gotten something like a 7-8% flat-rate distribution fee for movies from then on - that's like 20mil instead of the 150mil they've been getting. Disney would not have had long-term rights to the characters, so no new Pixar-based attractions.

Sure, it will mean Disney will have to pull a rabbit of their mouse ears, since they haven't produced any big hits on their own. But even if they had signed the Pixar deal, they would STILL have to pull that rabbit out, because under the new deal Disney wouldn't really have gotten much benefit from Pixar. Disney basically just would have been a distribution company, like Buena Vista, Touchstone, or Miramax.

Pixar definitely deserves a chance to keep more of the profits of their labors, so they're looking for a studio who just wants to be a distribution partner. There's no promise they'll find that, though, and even if they do it might no be a good fit. Warner, for example, hasn't shown a lot of ability to pull off animated features - something like 1 of their last 9 attempts did well. So Pixar could be hurt by the deal in the long run.

Mike E, on the other hand, gets two more Pixar films which could earn him another 150mil apiece just at the box office. He gets sequel rights to all Pixar films (7 total). If we see Toy Story III, Monsters Inc 2, and Nemo 2 (likely), that could be another 300mil conservatively. Plus he gets all the video, merchandising, and attractions opportunities with all seven films, forever. Not to mention television, and we KNOW there's a Nemo TV series in our future. I think the Disney shareholders will send Mike his wake-up call, and I think it'll be, "good job, dude."

Let's just say he made a good decision....................this is why as CEO you don't lose the confidence of your contributors. he has lost the trust of his followers and basically "customers" and once you allow yourself to lose the trust of your customers, it takes a long hard time to get it back. Once you lose it, everything you do is just wrong. he should have never let it get to this point.

 

[Yen_Sid1]

If Eisner wasn't so arrogant and hard nosed, then he could have negotiated a better deal. He wanted to keep the same deal with Pixar, and of course, Pixar wanted a better deal. If Eisner wouldn't have ed off most his partners, they would have a better working relationship. Why do you think so many high ranking executives have left the company?

 

[CTXRover]

Originally posted by Yen_Sid1
If Eisner wasn't so arrogant and hard nosed, then he could have negotiated a better deal. He wanted to keep the same deal with Pixar, and of course, Pixar wanted a better deal. If Eisner wouldn't have ed off most his partners, they would have a better working relationship. Why do you think so many high ranking executives have left the company?

Actually, according to sources close to the negotations, Disney was willing to give Pixar the same deal for all Future projects that they are looking for with another studio, that is a flat distribution for each movie instead of the 50/50 split they have now. They were even supposedly willing to include Cars and Incredibles under that plan instead of current 50/50 split they have for those two movies. What Disney wasn't willing to do was give up the copyrights to all those characters from Toy Story through Cars that they have according to the original contract that Pixar had willingly signed with them. In other words, I actually find Pixar a little more arrogant in this situation. They could have received the same deal they will with a new studio for all future projects, plus a better deal on their next two movies, while being able to stay with the company that has obviously did something right with promotion and advertising. Pixar though decided to leave because they couldn't get Disney to go back and actually change the original contract that they too signed, which would have cost Disney a lot in future profit potential.

If Eisner's arrogance hadn't got in the way of the relationship with Steve Jobs and Pixar, I do think that Pixar probably would have been more giving in the whole copyright issue. But then again, maybe Jobs is just as arrogant too?

 

[andre85]

Quite right. I thought Disney offered a pretty sweet deal, but Pixar was demanding way too much.