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The Future of Pirates of the Caribbean

Imagineer999

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I am not sorry for my comment because I feel like any normal person would be like me. I rode the Orlando version all my life, heard about how much better Disneyland's was but i took it with a grain of salt. Waited in a huge queue which wasn't as nice as Orlando, and my expectations were set event lower. Not only did it blow my mind once the ride started, but I could never ride the WDW version again and be perfectly happy.. But then again, most people who consider themselves Disney fans, never actually bother to go to the west coast and experience the other park.
Well I disagree and I have rode the Disneyland version. In fact, I grew up riding WDW's before I rode Disneyland's...and I still love both versions very much. Yes, WDW's is shorter but like I said earlier in the thread, there are things unique to it that you can't find in Disneyland's version (a different storyline, a larger queue with many details, and the superior treasure room finale. Oh and Old Bill was originally made for the WDW version to distract guests from a boat storage area behind the chase scene. He was so popular that Disneyland got him a few years later) and it was never meant to be a fully carbon copy of Disneyland's. I have always found each version of the ride to be fascinating and unique. We may have a shorter ride experience in Florida, but it does still have its fans and I'm one of them. Also if everything was the same I wouldn't want to travel and visit the other Disney parks and there are several attractions where some people claim that one version is better than another. Some people love the WDW Haunted Mansion more because it has a longer ride but other people prefer Disneyland's because it has the Hatbox Ghost and the original hitchhiking ghost effect, and some people simply prefer Disneyland's just because it's the original. Some people prefer Phantom Manor over both WDW's and Disneyland's versions! So does that mean we should demolish the American mansions and make them both Phantom Manor? Should we demolish DINOSAUR and replace it with Indiana Jones because some people like Indiana Jones better? I'm sure you understand my point. We don't need to destroy and rebuild classics to be more like another park's version just because some people like one version better.

Besides, the WDI crew faced some limitations when it came to MK's Pirates. For example, they couldn't put in two drops because the humid and fragile landscape of Florida didn't allow it and guests were angry that MK didn't have Pirates right away so WDI did what they could to give guests Pirates ASAP and they did try to make it unique and different from Disneyland's.
 

Big Phil

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Put it this way, that movie was way too popular for them not to do something with it. I scoffed at the idea of a movie being made out of a theme park ride. How could that be popular? Well, it was. So when people went to WDW not all of them realized the ride pre-dated the movies by a few decades. Jack Sparrow had to be added, there was no way around it. I guess I am in the minority here, but I always thought it was pretty good how they added him. There is enough of him in there to show you that he exists but not too much where it takes away from the other scenes. I have always thought it was a nice balance.
 

MattFrees71

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Well I started this thread because I wanted to discuss and hear people's thoughts about the attraction's future because it's something that has concerned me ever since there was news of Depp being dropped and the reboot being cancelled. I kinda expected some talk about PC and Depp's controversy (and that's something I avoided when I put in my personal opinion) but I am surprised by some people wanting MK's demolished because they feel that it's inferior.
Yes, I am floored at the notion of suggesting demolishing MK Pirates. It's a solid ride on its own when you don't compare it to Disneyland's. I'd love to see a return of those aforementioned original elements and getting rid of Jack Sparrow.

As for other changes- if anything, they could maybe add more track (another scene and/or drop) while largely keeping what is there. Looking at Google Earth, besides the railroad (which would indeed be an obstacle to work around) there is nothing else next to the show buildings, so I at least wouldn't think that it would be impossible if they really wanted to.
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aliceismad

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I own all the Pirate movies, and I love the 1st and 3rd ones. But I still felt like Jack is an intrusion - both at WDW and DLR. I’d love to see them redo all of the animatronics, but it seems that will never happen. Likewise, I don’t see them pulling Jack. So it’s stuck as a mishmash of new and old for a while. It’s still a decent ride, both at DLR and WDW.

I’m the (apparently rare) person who has no issue with the changes for “PCness.” But I don’t think OP wants that debate opened here.
 
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JIMINYCR

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I'm hoping Depp's inclusion fades away over time and we go back to a ride that just plays off of the pirate theme and is once again fun to take in. Never liked Depp, never thought his addition made the attraction any better. I expect Dis will let it play out until they feel hes no longer necessary and one day we will just see him gone from the scenes.
 

Goofyernmost

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I own all the Pirate movies, and I love the 1st and 3rd ones. But I still felt like Jack is an intrusion - both at WDW and DLR. I’d love to see them redo all of the animatronics, but it seems that will never happen. Likewise, I don’t see them pulling Jack. So it’s stuck as a mishmash or new and old for a while. It’s still a decent ride, both at DLR and WDW.

I’m the (apparently rare) person who has no issue with the changes for “PCness.” But I don’t think OP wants that debate opened here.
Just give it a few more years and and Jack will just be another Pirate with no real significance other then being a character in the movie. When that happens (and it is happening already) he will fit in seamlessly. It's just those of us that saw it as it originally was that have any issue and not all of us have that issue. I think it is fine and it is a tremendous AA. I prefer to just appreciate the greatness of the AA instead of getting all clogged up with minor details. Those coming years will bring in many that never knew that Pirates of the Caribbean, the ride, existed long before the movie was made.
 

Goofyernmost

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Please try and remember that Depp is not in the PoC. There is an AA outfitted as Capt. Jack Sparrow. That is not really any tribute to Depp except that he made that character popular as an actor that portrayed a Pirate. Mr. Depp out of character is the one that has shamed himself and many others. Would it be ok if they just change the face on the AA? Why? It is just an AA in the Character of Capt. Jack. which in a few years will not have much significance at all about who it was modeled after.
 

Goofyernmost

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The presence of the Jack figures really isn’t the problem, the problem is the ride’s entire narrative being changed to revolve around him.
The point is that it is still a story about pirates with hardly any change or definable story variation. What does it really change since it is all fiction anyway. It has been upgraded, but, that is it. It is still about the Pirates of the Caribbean.
 

aliceismad

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I felt like the newer animatronics felt out of place amidst the old animatronics.

(I do appreciate the quality of the animatronics though. And I do love the Captain Jack character.)
 
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Animaniac93-98

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Not only would I been fine with removing the watered down Florida Pirates, I'd be fine with MK having no Pirate ride at all (since it was never intended).

I'd use both Pirates AND the Adventureland expansion pad to build something similar to Arabian Coast at DisneySea. It would feature a relocated and improved Carpet ride, plus an indoor suspended coaster through the Cave of Wonders, a two level Restaurant/Emporium and a smaller outdoor boat ride inside the Sultan's palace garden. Then the original Adventureland courtyard and bazaar could restored to their formal tropical self with more outdoor seating for the juice bar too.
 

bubbles1812

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I am not sorry for my comment because I feel like any normal person would be like me. I rode the orlando version all my life, heard about how much better Disneyland's was but i took it with a grain of salt. Waited in a huge queue which wasnt as nice as orlando, and my expectations were set event lower. Not only did it blow my mind once the ride started, but I could never ride the WDW version again and be perfectly happy.. But then again, most people who consider themselves disney fans, never actually bother to go to the west coast and experience the other park.
What does that mean? Any ‘normal person would be like me’? Any normal person is capable of liking multiple things... I’ve ridden WDW’s version. I’ve ridden Disneyland’s version. Heck, I’ve ridden Disneyland Paris’ version. I’m not going to tell you in which order I rank them in my head. I’ll only tell you that I enjoyed them all.

It seems silly and a bit asinine to imply that you can’t be a ‘true Disney fan’ unless you bother with the west coast park. Should we extrapolate that out to you can’t be a true Disney fan until you’ve been to all parks worldwide? Do you have to visit the resort in Hawaii? Be a DVC member? Live in Orlando? Or is it until you’ve been to all the parks and watched all the movies in Disney canon? Or not until you’ve done that and watched all their bought content as well? (So now you need to watch every Fox movie ever made. Don’t forget the Muppets, Star Wars, Pixar, and Marvel either.) There’s no set of rules or list to check off to become a Disney fan.

You don’t have to love the WDW version of Pirates if you don’t want to. More power to you. But I laughed that you can’t be ‘perfectly happy’ now. I’m perfectly happy riding either version... because that means I’m in a Disney Park.
 
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Goofyernmost

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What does that mean? Any ‘normal person would be like me’? Any normal person is capable of liking multiple things... I’ve ridden WDW’s version. I’ve ridden Disneyland’s version. Heck, I’ve ridden Disneyland Paris’ version. I’m not going to tell you in which order I rank them in my head. I’ll only tell you that I enjoyed them all.

It seems silly and a bit asinine to imply that you can’t be a ‘true Disney fan’ unless you bother with the west coast park. Should we extrapolate that out to you can’t be a true Disney fan until you’ve been to all parks worldwide? Do you have to visit the resort in Hawaii? Be a DVC member? Live in Orlando? Or is it until you’ve been to all the parks and watched all the movies in Disney canon? Or not until you’ve done that and watched all their bought content as well? (So now you need to watch every Fox movie ever made. Don’t forget the Muppets, Star Wars, Pixar, and Marvel either.) There’s no set of rules or list to check off to become a Disney fan.

You don’t have to love the WDW version of Pirates if you don’t want to. More power to you. But I laughed that you can’t be ‘perfectly happy’ now. I’m perfectly happy riding either version... because that means I’m in a Disney Park.
Very well put! Just like anything else there are many Disney snobs. Those that define what people should or shouldn't like. Those that never give something new a chance or even if they do, look at them with a tainted outlook.

Like yourself, I have been to the same three parks, Disneyland, WDW and Disneyland Paris. As for PoC, each one was either measurably different, (I'm talking to you Paris), or the two on this continent are only slightly different and that is with the beginning and a couple of scenes, but, even the differences are what gives each one his own charm.The beginning had very little to do with Pirates and was more of a re-creation of the bayou in connection with New Orleans. Yes, they had pirates there, but, you didn't see any until you got to the lower level. Longer, but, most of the extra time was spent floating through that bayou.

I enjoyed Disneyland for what it was, just as I enjoy WDW and DLP for what they are. All Disney Parks, all well done and all pure Disney. My main park has always been WDW and I have never seen any reason to fly cross country or to Paris to see either one of them again. I enjoyed them but, not enough to draw me back. One and done with them. I have been to WDW over 45 times in 36 years and you wouldn't believe the number of things that I still haven't seen or experienced there.
 
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Raineman

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Space Mountain is a horrible ride, IMO, and the Disneyland version is better. Let’s demolish it and put in something else or put in Disneyland’s version! Better yet, let’s take all of the “better” versions around the world of all WDW attractions and install them at WDW! Let’s take away any individuality that WDW has! :rolleyes: Give me a break. How about we use the hundreds of acres of usable space in RCID to build new attractions instead of bulldozing attractions that thousands and thousands of people still enjoy every day. If PoTC was sitting there day after day and nobody was riding, then a case could be made to remove it (see Horizons), but that is not the case here.
 

Incomudro

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I don't think Jack Sparrow is going anywhere unless something really bad and proven comes out about Johnny Depp.
I liked the version before Jack Sparrow and like the version with him.
My only problem with the ride is the change to the redhead.
 
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