The Fall of Walt Disney Imagineering by Tom Morrow

DarkMeasures

New Member
General Grizz said:
Too late for 2-D animation and live action. . . :(

Well there have been a lot of Animation Slumps for the company. I think at one point they did not make an animated feature for 8 years. (when they relied on that for prophit). And I believe another time they just took a bunch of shorts and released it as a full length feautre....

What I am saying is, skip a few years and the Animated movies should start prophiting again....

And Live Action, it is too late unless it is Miramax I believe.
 

WDWScottieBoy

Well-Known Member
General Grizz said:
P.S. I just got my Save Disney gear in, and the quality is AMAZING!! These are VERY high quality and awesome items - the whole package for 34 bucks, quite a deal.

Sorry for the drift, but I got my CA stlye license frame with antenna topper in about a week and a half ago. I put them on right away and love them. I've also got my SaveDisney.com bumper sticker as well as the sticker that came in the packaging in my rear windshield. I love going to look at my car and look at all those. They really are excellent and I hope I've inspired some to check out the site and act upon it. I talked to a shareholder tonight who didn't vote at the last meeting and told him that even though he has two shares, he still has a vote in the company and each vote counts. I love spreading the Disney love! :wave:
 

Brian_B

Member
can't wait for part 2, a good (but sad) read.

I have this to say:

1. let this be a lesson to any of you young people (like myself) who might make it to a position of power in a company like that - don't be a jerk, let the people who know how to do the job, do the job.

2. They should hire any one of us to be president of the parks. I know it's rediculous to suggest it, but think of the place if like grizz was in charge. I'd buy season tickets for the next decade tomorrow.

-Brian
 

yensidtlaw1969

Well-Known Member
Brian_B said:
can't wait for part 2, a good (but sad) read.

I have this to say:

1. let this be a lesson to any of you young people (like myself) who might make it to a position of power in a company like that - don't be a jerk, let the people who know how to do the job, do the job.

2. They should hire any one of us to be president of the parks. I know it's rediculous to suggest it, but think of the place if like grizz was in charge. I'd buy season tickets for the next decade tomorrow.

-Brian
Why wait till tomorrow?


Besides, there may not be any left!
 

General Grizz

New Member
Original Poster
I did not write this. It was submitted to SaveDisney -- PART 2:

A more cost effective WDI

So now that the creatives are buried under layers of bureaucracy and restrained by multiple systems of control, what's WDI like today?

Well, Peter Rummell and the land developers are gone, replaced by Don Goodman and the project managers. Don Goodman is the latest in the long line of financial managers to try to reign in the creatives. His tactics involve an army of project managers who believe they can manage the creation of a Disney theme park attraction the same way one manages the construction of a high rise condominium. There is little room for creativity or innovation.

Goodman has aggressively sought to cut costs-layoffs at Imagineering in recent years have been staggering. Of course, this is understandable due to the downturn in theme park attendance and the fact that WDI just completed three large projects (Disney's California Adventure, Tokyo Disney Sea and Walt Disney Studios Paris). What is not so easy to understand is who was laid off. Very few executives lost their jobs, while thousands of lower paid but highly skilled employees were sent away. One of the few executives that was laid-off was the creative lead for Tokyo Disney Sea (the only successful park of the three, budgeted and paid-for, not by Disney, but Oriental Land Company, owners of Tokyo Disneyland). The creative leads for Disney's California Adventure and the Walt Disney Studios Paris were given promotions. The explanation for this is simple. At WDI, promotions are given out based on ones willingness to support management decisions, not ones ability to achieve results.

Not only did a disproportionately large number of workers loose their job in comparison to executives; Goodman actually hired new executives. He created a "Business Development" department. This department has been tasked with analyzing the way WDI does business and makes recommendations about future development. They have made such brilliant observations as, "film-based attractions are less expensive to reproduce for other parks than Audio-Animatronics shows." The MBAs have been let loose on WDI. The result is a very top-heavy reporting structure with a lot of expensive executives barking orders at fewer and fewer worker bees. The MBAs quote trends, and analyze guest polls, and try to keep costs down by employing techniques they learned from textbooks (what works for a widget must work for a theme park). Well, as they say, the proof is in the pudding. The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror has failed to revive the ailing California Adventure park, and Walt Disney Studios Paris is an anchor sinking the entire Paris resort. However, Tokyo Disney Sea, which was funded and managed by the Oriental Land Company (with creative by WDI) is the only success story in recent history. Paul Pressler (who promoted Don Goodman into his current position as WDI President) openly said that Disney would never create a park like Tokyo Disney Sea with its own money. "The profit margins are too low, our shareholders would never stand for it," he claimed. Ironically, the Disney shareholders have not been very happy lately, while the Oriental Land Company is doing well in a weak Japanese economy. It seems that the Oriental Land Company executives understood something that Pressler and the strategic planners did not-lower profit margins are still better than losses.

So, what ever happened to Pressler? He jumped ship again and was replaced by his partner in crime from Paris, Jay Rasulo. Pressler is now finding ways to reap short-term profits on cargo pants as the CEO of the Gap.

WDI Creative Development today

Artists are risk-takers by nature. They are innovators, freethinkers. It is simply illogical to expect a creative person to rise to the top of the ranks in a risk-adverse environment like today's WDI. As a result, the contemporary WDI actually recognizes and promotes non-creative thinkers, because they are willing to go along with whatever management says.

The WDI Creative Development department is continually tasked to create projects that are "hip and edgy," lower cost and lower risk. All of this stands in sharp contrast to the Imagineering of Walt's day which was challenged to create unique experiences that could stand the test of time, that were innovative and original.

Many of the WDI creative executives have, it seems, accepted their fate. Very rarely do any of them speak up against the Project Managers, Strategic Planners, or Park Operations executives. They've become comfortable with their high-income lifestyle and do not wish to rock the boat. Boat rockers usually get thrown overboard.

WDI is broken. It seems that as long as creative ideas need to be submitted to the strategic planners for approval, things will not improve. WDI must be allowed to take some risks. Ideas must be appraised based on their creative merit as well as their financial feasibility, and those conducting the appraisal must have a solid understanding of why Disney theme parks are appealing to people. These practices may seem like common sense, but unfortunately they no longer take place.

Many WDI executives have their high-level positions because of old friendships, not because they've proven themselves creatively or demonstrated that they know how to exceed the high expectations people have for Disney theme parks. The strategic planners in Burbank do not support investment in theme parks because they believe the profit margins are too low over the short term. The truth is...they simply don't understand how the business works (theme parks are not the same as widgets, it turns out). The theme park business is a long-term investment, which yields more stable returns then motion pictures, broadcast media or consumer products (not a good business for a fee-agent type interested in personal advancement at the expense of the company's long-term value).

But if these problems are rectified, there is hope. The recent creative and financial success of Tokyo Disney Sea demonstrates that the spark is still within WDI-well hidden under the bureaucracy. That spark can be fanned into a flame, and under the right conditions, will burn brightly again.
 

ogryn

Well-Known Member
I really don't know what to make of these Save Disney articles. I agree with some of them (and parts of this one), but I'm not sure how much of it is biased towards their agenda?

And why do they keep digging at Jay Rasulo? They are the only source that doesn't seem to like him.

Also, does the current Disneyland management have any power over WDI? With all the reshuffles being reported by Miceage over in Anaheim, would old-skool Matt Ouimet be able to exert any influence over the suits?
 

barnum42

New Member
Interesting reading Grizz, thanks for the pointer as always.

I have recently received the following by email, which seems appropriate to this thread (and many other corporate environments if we are honest) :D

The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed down from generation to generation, says that when you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.

In modern corporate management, however, a whole range of far more advanced strategies is often employed, such as:

1. Change riders.

2. Buy a stronger whip.

3. Do nothing: "This is the way we have always ridden dead horses".

4. Visit other countries to see how they ride dead horses.

5. Perform a productivity study to see if lighter riders improve the dead horse's performance.

6. Hire a contractor to ride the dead horse.

7. Harness several dead horses together in an attempt to increase the speed.

8. Provide additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse's performance.

9. Appoint a committee to study the horse and assess how dead it actually is.

10. Re-classify the dead horse as "living-impaired".

11. Develop a Strategic Plan for the management of dead horses.

12. Rewrite the expected performance requirements for all horses.

13. Modify existing standards to include dead horses.

14. Declare that, as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overheads, and therefore contributes substantially more than many other horses. And if all else fails:

15. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position
 

KevinPage

Well-Known Member
I noticed this as well, Jay Raluso is not high on the SaveDisney totem pole. Maybe they know something that we don't know. How much of the current stuff was already set in motion for WDW before he came aboard we can only guess.

After reading this I think I understand WHY Marty Sklar kissed Uncle Mikey "bootie" a few months ago. He's afraid of management tanking the whole department. Since management REWARDS people who agree with them, a little brown nosing could hopefully get them some power back and hold on until Mr. Ego is put out to pasture.

Corrus, didn't you say Sklar needs to go? Anything specifically wrong with him?
 

General Grizz

New Member
Original Poster
Roy and Stan are in definite authority. They were as close to "in the know" than most as (concerned) Board Members.

But for the record, these posted articles hold, on the bottom, that the views are not neccessarily those of Roy or Stan. The writer is anonymous.
 

Since1976

Well-Known Member
My only solace after reading this article is that once change occurs, starting with the retirement of M.E., Disney's Parks have nowhere to go but up.

Well, that's my hope at least.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I read both parts of the article, and the one part that disturbed me the most was an "observation" made by the Business Development dept. - "film-based attractions are less expensive to reproduce for other parks than Audio-Animatronics shows." That just sends chills down my spine....

It's sad to see creative thinkers hamstrung by bean-counters. With the right people in positions of power at Disney, we could very well see a veritable onslaught of new and unbelievable rides and attractions. And it all starts at the top....
 

KevinPage

Well-Known Member
imagineer boy said:
Well, most of Al's rumors and info do turn out to be true.

Especially in the summer of 2002 where Al was ADAMENT that DL's Splash Mountain was going to close again right after they rehabbed it to make it side by side seating ala WDW and that they had to tear into the structure of the mountain to do so, blah, blah, blah. If was almost a daily feature. :rolleyes:

The guy has contacts, but he's so laced in hatred you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. Still any chance he can, he'll throw a "pot shot" in there about Harris & Pressler. Not that they deserve any better, but it gets old time after time after time.

Not to mention his initial annoyance at California Adventure for not having some special flavored popcorn he loves. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

He was on the Harris bandwagon when she started just like he is on the Quimet bandwagon. Although I think Matt is the real deal :D
 

DisneyFan 2000

Well-Known Member
ogryn said:
I really don't know what to make of these Save Disney articles. I agree with some of them (and parts of this one), but I'm not sure how much of it is biased towards their agenda?


Because 40% of the readers voted for articles about WDI and todays problems... This article is a wake up call for anyone sleeping. Disney is walking a path that is unsafe... What's next? Hiring Universal Creative workers, or better yet, Six Flags designers? :(
 

Tim G

Well-Known Member
Woody13 said:
Contracting out is not such a bad idea.
That would put a whole lot of Imagineers out of a job... so bad idea...
Look at Pixar for example.
And see where it brought us...
Or look at WED for another example! Roy Disney (Walt's brother) hated WED because they were not part of the Disney company.
Right..
Although owned by Walt, WED was totally an outside contractor and Roy hated to deal with them!
Once Walt died, one of the first things Roy did was to buy out WED and turn it into WDI. Big mistake IMO.
And almost screwed (pardon the expression) the whole company up...
And nowadays, like father, like son, Roy E. also disliked WDI... and still does... (SIGH) but that's a old story...
 

Chape19714

Well-Known Member
yeah, wdi here to stay, and i believe that it the pendilum (sp) will stop at the hieght, and will stay for many, many more years. And they are starting to add things to DAK, so it could be soon.
 

General Grizz

New Member
Original Poster
Chape19714 said:
yeah, wdi here to stay, and i believe that it the pendilum (sp) will stop at the hieght, and will stay for many, many more years. And they are starting to add things to DAK, so it could be soon.
But the Imagineering layoffs/cutback in budget isn't getting any better. . . that's why we're having + clones, - full-quality attractions. . .
 

csaguy

Member
I appied for an Imagineering job along time ago - glad now I didn't get it. But the bean counters are running (ruining) most businesses now! :mad:
I the old days, I remember both DL and WDW was clean, in good shape, and freshly painted all the time.
 

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