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The epic Marvel debate massive
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I know. Since my 10 years here, I had debates, like the Eisner one, but nothing like what has gone on recently, where people outright make things up and claim I said it, or use literal logic, or try to use defamatory language, etc. It's like they're angry at the World and some how I represent that World so they take it out on me. I hope whatever makes people angry changes because the World is such a better place when people aren't so upset!Goodness, what happened here? This thread was so much fun! Now it's chagrin central!
Magenta Panther
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See, I just look at those ridiculous musclebound things wearing Halloween costumes, and imagine them infesting Disneyland or WDW, and I want to hurl. If Iger wants to keep making movies with Marvel characters and collecting the box office take, fine. Just keep the dopey things out of the parks!
Could you give an example, and link to it,of defamatory language?
As a little thought exercise, just for the moment let's take this statement to be true. If Comcast does have some kind of vendetta against Disney, that doesn't seem compatible with your opinionated prediction about Comcast and Disney making a deal whereby Disney would get the Marvel rights for Florida. Why would Comcast agree to let Disney have the Marvel theme park rights for the eastern U.S. if it could potentially attract customers away from Universal? Since Universal/Comcast holds the rights in perpetuity, Comcast would never even consider an agreement that would allow Disney to benefit from these very popular characters.
I don't know. I'm not Kathleen Kennedy.
That's like asking during Eisner's final years "Why would Steve Jobs give in to Disney's terms and accept a new Pixar deal?"
See my answer in my previous message to connect the dots...
3.14 and the circle will be completeWhat this thread needs is something to tie it together.
Let's see...Key Lime Pie, debate...IDEA!
Everyone feel free to cut and paste the graphic at will.
In other words, your opinionated prediction is just wishful thinking. The two situations are not similar.
No, or maybe. Logic tells me they'll find a way to do this. I won't even venture a guess as to the details of what they'll figure out would be of benefit to both interests.
Comcast could play its hand so forcefully that Disney decides they have no other option. That's assuming Disney has a management team that actually cares about its State Side parks east of the Mississippi.
I can't see why few people here see how illogical this current arrangement is. It's like getting a divorce and letting the ex keep the keys to the house.
You can argue that the ex made a prenuptial agreement to keep the keys in case there's ever a divorce. That doesn't make the situation acceptable, only legal.
Now, the ex would like to have the kids 5 days a week instead of 2. Negotiate that the ex could have the kids for 3-5 days in exchange for the keys of the house and invalidation of the prenuptial agreement...
You can argue that the ex made a prenuptial agreement to keep the keys in case there's ever a divorce. That doesn't make the situation acceptable, only legal.
Now, the ex would like to have the kids 5 days a week instead of 2. Negotiate that the ex could have the kids for 3-5 days in exchange for the keys of the house and invalidation of the prenuptial agreement...
Wow, I just...I can't even...oh man....Comcast doesn't have to play their hand for anything. As it stands right now, they have the Marvel rights for as long as they want, and during that time Marvel will continue collecting its yearly dues.
There is nothing Comcast/Universal could do right now that would force Disney to break the bank just to procure the rights to use a few characters at one resort. Disney is free to use Marvel at other resorts, and there is a wealth of untapped IP that is available for Disney to use in WDW should they feel the need to increase investment in attractions based on popular movie franchises in Florida.
danlb_2000
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Do you think Disney should be working to get the rights to use Star Wars away from LEGOLAND?
They're building a new hotel PLUS investing $1.5 billion in attractions for USO alone. They also bought out the 50% of USO they did not previously own. They're on a serious war path.
Comcast doesn't have to play their hand for anything. As it stands right now, they have the Marvel rights for as long as they want, and during that time Marvel will continue collecting its yearly dues.
There is nothing Comcast/Universal could do right now that would force Disney to break the bank just to procure the rights to use a few characters at one resort. Disney is free to use Marvel at other resorts, and there is a wealth of untapped IP that is available for Disney to use in WDW should they feel the need to increase investment in attractions based on popular movie franchises in Florida.
The Marvel-Universal deal was made in the mid-90s. It was a good deal for both sides at the time. Disney acquired Marvel knowing full well that they would have to honor such arrangements.
Disney paid a premium to obtain the distribution rights for the Marvel Cinematic Universe movies. They are not even trying to make a deal to Universal about the Marvel rights for Florida. Those facts alone should tell you that Disney finds the current arrangement acceptable despite your objections.
I was going to make a major post about it but after researching it thoroughly, I decided it wasn't worth making a stink about it.
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