The Ecstacy and the Agony: 3/17-3/24 Trip Report

This report may be on interest to anyone travelling with small children, those staying at Port Orleans, or those considering the Disney Dining Plan (and of course to those who just enjoy reading about other people's Disney trips).

The title of this trip report comes from the Unofficial Guide's chapter regarding traveling to Walt Disney World with kids. We've been to WDW with kids before, but on this trip we had a 4-year-old and an infant. Over the course of a week, we all experienced plenty of ecstacy and agony.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't have been fool-hearty enough to attempt such a trip. We went in 2008 when my wife was pregnant with our youngest. The idea behind that trip was that it would be a farewell to Orlando until the kids were old enough to really enjoy it.

But then a unique opportunity arose. I detailed the entire experience of planning this trip in this thread: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=545256. If you feel like reading the background of how this trip came to be, go back and read-up. We'll wait for you.

For those who didn't bother going back to read the pre-trip thread, here's a rundown on the players:

Obviously, there's me. I'm the Disney fan in the family. More specifically, I'm the Disney parks nut. I had been to MK as a kid and Epcot as a teen. But I didn't get crazy about Disney until I went as an adult. My wife was a big fan of Mickey Mouse. But she'd never been to WDW. So when I planned our honeymoon, I figured we had to go to WDW. To be honest, I wasn't really looking forward to it. A few years later, I am here on the forums and my wife tolerates my Disney "obessession".

Then there's my wife, Mindy. I've pretty much told her story as relates to WDW. Honestly, she would prefer a more relaxing vacation than Disney World. Her idea of a vacation would be somewhere she can watch TV and swim. Yes, she can do both of those things at WDW. But I'm constantly dragging her out to the theme parks.

Joey, our oldest daughter is 4 (going on 5). She's a girly girl and can sometimes be shy. Other times, she loves the spotlight. This was her third trip to WDW and she has some memories of previous trips. Also, I prepared her for the trip by showing her lots of videos and pictures. Before we left, she was appointed as "the boss" of what we would and wouldn't ride.

Kara is the baby of the family. At the time we decided to take the trip, she was just a happy little bundle. She just sat and smiled at us. She was slow to start crawling, but once she did, she took off. At 10 months, she started walking. Now at 11 months, there's no stopping her. She wants to explore everything all the time!

In a supporting role, we have my younger brother. He was a cheerleader in college and taught cheerleading for many years after that. Now, he has moved into a more professional career. But he still judges cheerleading competitions from time to time. One of the reasons he does this is that he gets free trips to WDW.

One more note before I get into the trip itself, there will be pictures. But it will take me a little while to get to them. So, bear with me.

Wed, 3/17: Arrival Day

Arrival day was agony pure and simple. I won't get too deeply into the details here as they are too painful to relive. Also, I think I've blocked them from my memory. Things started off promisingly enough with a cab ride to the airport. Joey had been looking forward to riding in a taxi for a very long time. And she finally got her wish.

When we arrived at the airport, we were immediately hit with a baggage handling fee. $20 per bag for three checked bags for a total of $60. This came as a surprise to me as an infrequent traveler. In 2008 (our last flight) there had been no such charge.

I knew Delta had changed their policy, but I didn't worry too much because I had bought the tickets prior to the policy change and we had been grandfathered in. It turns out, the new charges were for carry-on bags. With no other options, I grumbled as I paid $60 for my bags to go on vacation with me. My wife fumed.

The bag fees were a minor hiccup compared to the flight itself. As I mentioned before, Kara had recently discovered walking. Ever since, she has been exploring her surroundings like crazy. So for her, sitting on our laps for two hours was not in the cards. When we wouldn't let her play on the floor of the plane, she launched into a screaming fit that lasted for most of the flight.

If you've ever been on a flight with a crying baby, you know it's torture. But trust me, it's far worse when the screaming baby is yours. Thankfully, all the guests around us were very gracious. If they were bothered, no one let on. And several started playing games of peek-a-boo or smiling and waving. This would usually stop the fits for a brief time.

When drinks came around, we got Kara some water. She likes drinking from bottles of water, but it tends to make a mess. In this case, the mess was on me. This was followed by a biscotti cookie. The cookie plus the water formed a kind of cinnamon-scented cement which bonded to my shirt for the rest of the night.

We arrived at the Orlando airport exhausted. But we were excited to leave the negative behind us and start enjoying our vacation. Thanks to Magical Express, we didn't have to worry about carting around luggage in addition to two tiny tikes. However, we did have our double stroller and some carry-ons.

At one point during the trip through the airport, Kara pulled off one of her shoes. I scooped it up and put it in a carry-on bag. Later on, a couple stopped us and asked if we were missing a shoe. I assured them that we had the shoe in our bag. Until I looked and saw that the bag had a rip in it. We hadn't even made it out of the airport and we were down 1 shoe.

The shoe was a hand-me-down, so we decided to move on without it. Kara has a habit of tossing her shoes, so I never really understood the point of buying them anyway. She never wears them for more than a couple of minutes at a time.

When we got to Port Orleans, all the girls were tired. But I was still full of excitement. The resort was even more beautiful than it looked in pictures. It was sunny and cool. I was sure the tide would change once we got checked into our room.

The castmember at check-in was really taken with Kara. I had done on-line check-in, but it actually took a good ten minutes to complete the process because he kept stopping to play games with her. As a proud dad, I can't say as I minded. He gave her a sticker which she promptly ate (well, sucked on anyway).

We headed back to the room which was in building 28 in the Alligator Bayou section of the resort. It was a little challenging to find. The signs in Port Orleans aren't always as helpful as they could be. More than once during the trip, I took the scenic route to the room by accident. Usually, I didn't mind. But this time, we were all pretty tired.

When we got to the room, our bags weren't there. For me, this was not a big deal. I knew they were travelling separately from us. But apparently my wife didn't understand this when she packed. She had been counting on changing before we went out. So she wanted to stay in the room and wait on the bags to arrive. I didn't object as the idea of changing out of my cookie shirt was appealing.

After an hour or so, my wife reluctantly gave up on waiting for the bags. We had a lot to do and we were all getting hungry. Of course, I was still wearing a shirt covered in crushed up cookie cement. But with no idea how long we could be waiting, it seemed like a good idea to go get dinner.

The plan was to go to Downtown Disney. We were going to use our first counter service credits at Wolfgang Puck Express and then shop for an autograph book as I had promised Joey. Mindy and the girls would then head home and I would go to another resort to pick up our free tickets.

What we had not counted on was that Downtown Disney was packed. It was St Patrick's Day and even the counter service restaurants were standing room only. The line at Puck's was around the block. And my wife was now blaming me.

Mindy and the girls get especially grumpy when they are hungry. So I decided to try Earl of Sandwich thinking that the line would be shorter. I'm not sure if it was shorter or not, but it seemed to be moving faster. All the while, Joey was getting whinier, Kara was getting more fidgety and my wife was fuming.

I was trying to grab a table before we even got our food. But with two little kids in a double stroller, we had limited mobility. As soon as a table became available, someone else pushed through the crowd and grabbed it. No one took mercy on us.

After we got the food, I found an empty table outside. When I say it was empty, I mean it had been stripped of any and all chairs. But I noticed lots of people sitting at tables which were bigger than their party required (a theme that would run through most of our counter service experiences on this trip). I went from table to table asking for empty chairs. After being turned down a couple of times, I finally found a party that was willing to give up their empty chairs.

Finally, the day could turn around. Or so I thought. As soon as Joey saw her peanut butter and jelly sandwich, she started crying. She expected a pb&j on white bread with the crust cut off the way she would get it at home. Instead, she had a crusty, toasty thing that was completely foreign to her. She was inconsolable.

(The sandwich didn't go to waste. As would happen many times on the trip, Kara stepped up and finished Joey's meal.)

After our failed dinner, we went to World of Disney to buy the autograph book I had promised Joey. Joey and shopping go hand in hand. She would have been happy to stay in World of Disney all week. And after the pb&j debacle, I was happy to buy her something extra.

I showed her all of the autograph books and pens. She was very reluctant to commit to any one book or pen. Instead, she wanted to look at everything. Especially the toys. Unfortunately, I needed to see someone about our tickets and it was getting late.

My wife was still fuming about the entire situation, but she agreed to let me go pick up the theme park tickets. Long story short, I spent about two hours on Disney buses picking up the tickets. When I got back to the room, the girls were all asleep.

To my surprise, Joey had picked out an autograph book with Mickey and friends on it. I was sure she'd go for princesses or Tinker Bell. But instead she went for the old school autograph book with a matching Pluto pen. (more on this later). She also picked out a Vinylmation figure. (much more on this later).

Tired, weary and hoping to make it to Epcot by rope drop, I finally turned in to bed around 11:30.

Don't worry, folks. Things get a lot better on day 2. And we start taking pictures to break up all the text!

I'll post Day 2 as soon as possible. Thanks for reading.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Wow...a wife who isn't "into" Disney?! At least you have daughters to help 'persuade' her into going!

Glad that the early issues seemed to work themselves out and the trip ended up being (from what I could gather) a really good one!

I agree that Garden Grill (AND Sunshine Seasons) is an overlooked gem. We love it. The fact that it overlooks one of our favorite attractions is icing on the cake! I somewhat share your sentiment regarding AI; I'm not a fan of the show at all, but I think the attraction is very well done. I'm still not entirely convinced a non-Disney property show that's past its prime was the best property off of which to base an attraction, but that isn't the appropriate topic for a trip report. Thanks for taking the time to write all of this, and glad you had a good trip!

If anything, Mindy's more anti-Disney than ever after this trip. Which is weird, because aside from a few hiccups the trip was largely successful. I actually started scouting out non-Disney vacations we can take to cleanse her palate before the FL expansion is completed.

Fortunately, Joey's already asking about going back. And Kara's going to need to go when she's a little older. So, I think we casn get back there in a few years.

I have always appreciated Sunshine Seasons. But Garden Grill was a surprise to me. Some of the reviews here have been so mixed-to-bad, I considered cancelling my reservations. I'm glad I didn't. I can say with confidence that we will be back!

I agree with you about AI. Not the best fit. But I don't think anyone expects that show to be there for the long run. And it's good for what it is. It's way better than it has any right to be. Which is to say it was watchable once for this non-AI fan. But we won't be back for that one.
 

Tiggerish

Resident Redhead
Premium Member
If anything, Mindy's more anti-Disney than ever after this trip. Which is weird, because aside from a few hiccups the trip was largely successful. I actually started scouting out non-Disney vacations we can take to cleanse her palate before the FL expansion is completed.

I guess you two are an example of why the expression "opposites attract" remains relevant!! :lol: :wave:



(for the record, my sweetie and I are another example, except that we do share "love of WDW")
 

lebeau

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Original Poster
I guess you two are an example of why the expression "opposites attract" remains relevant!! :lol: :wave:



(for the record, my sweetie and I are another example, except that we do share "love of WDW")

The weird part is, when we got married I had no interest in Disney whatsoever. We only went because she was a Mickey fan and she had never been before. (If anything, I was more interested in Universal Studios.)

One trip later, and I'm hooked. Meanwhile, she slowly gets sick of all the Mickey Mouse gifts from my mom (once mom figures out you like something, she sticks with it!)

7 years and 4 trips later, she literally never wants to go back. But she'll put up with my "obsession" as long as the girls want to go. So I've been indocternating.... erm, I mean sharing my love of WDW with them. :)

I do wish she enjoyed it even 1/2 as much as I do. But I've come to accept that will never happen. The best I can do is accept that she's willing to make sacrifices to go to make the rest of us happy and make it as enjoyable for her as possible.

(It helps to make sure she gets to ride Tower of Terror at least once. And apparently a real breakfast is also critical.)

I'm looking at Tampa for our next vacation. She'll have her beach. And if things get too dull, I can always take the girls to Busch Gardens (or Legoland when that opens).
 

Tiggerish

Resident Redhead
Premium Member
The weird part is, when we got married I had no interest in Disney whatsoever. We only went because she was a Mickey fan and she had never been before. (If anything, I was more interested in Universal Studios.)

One trip later, and I'm hooked. Meanwhile, she slowly gets sick of all the Mickey Mouse gifts from my mom (once mom figures out you like something, she sticks with it!)

Wow, that is weird. We went to WDW on our honeymoon because it was included in the cruise package (this was almost 24 years ago, well before the Disney Cruise Line. There was another company that incorporated a WDW visit with a cruise). And we had a good time.

Anyway, over the following 8 years, we were hardly able to afford a vacation at all. About our 9th anniverary, I'd gotten a bonus at work that enabled us to take a nice vacation--I said, "who knows if we'll have any money next year for our tenth anniversary, might as well take a nice trip now, where do you want to go?" We stayed at the Swan for a week and took in WDW and Sea World. Great trip--the Swan was the nicest place we'd ever stayed in up to that point, and I was awed by it. The following year, for our actual 10th annniversary, we had a few bucks, and I managed to squeeze out a long weekend at the All-Star Music resort. During that trip, while we were standing in line for Peter Pan, enjoying the beautiful weather and the WDW atmosphere, out of the blue, my honey sighed wistfully and said, "I wish we could come here every year". So I replied, "well, as long as we can afford to, we will". During that same trip, we did the DVC sales pitch, just for a goof, because we didn't have any money to buy into it. The year after that, my honey got a nice bonus from work, and decided that he wanted to use it to buy DVC. We already had reservations for Dixie Landings (this was 1998), but switched them to Old Key West after buying in. Since then, we have gone about twice per year, and now I am the official "Disney Freak".

Interesting how these things turn around. :wave:

Oh, and P.S., my mom must be related to your mom, as far as gift-giving. :lol:
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Wow, that is weird. We went to WDW on our honeymoon because it was included in the cruise package (this was almost 24 years ago, well before the Disney Cruise Line. There was another company that incorporated a WDW visit with a cruise). And we had a good time.

Anyway, over the following 8 years, we were hardly able to afford a vacation at all. About our 9th anniverary, I'd gotten a bonus at work that enabled us to take a nice vacation--I said, "who knows if we'll have any money next year for our tenth anniversary, might as well take a nice trip now, where do you want to go?" We stayed at the Swan for a week and took in WDW and Sea World. Great trip--the Swan was the nicest place we'd ever stayed in up to that point, and I was awed by it. The following year, for our actual 10th annniversary, we had a few bucks, and I managed to squeeze out a long weekend at the All-Star Music resort. During that trip, while we were standing in line for Peter Pan, enjoying the beautiful weather and the WDW atmosphere, out of the blue, my honey sighed wistfully and said, "I wish we could come here every year". So I replied, "well, as long as we can afford to, we will". During that same trip, we did the DVC sales pitch, just for a goof, because we didn't have any money to buy into it. The year after that, my honey got a nice bonus from work, and decided that he wanted to use it to buy DVC. We already had reservations for Dixie Landings (this was 1998), but switched them to Old Key West after buying in. Since then, we have gone about twice per year, and now I am the official "Disney Freak".

Interesting how these things turn around. :wave:

Oh, and P.S., my mom must be related to your mom, as far as gift-giving. :lol:

lol

It is funny fow these things go. No one ever sets out to become a WDW fan. It just kind of happens.

After a few conversations with Mindy, I've come to the realization our next WDw trip may be farther away than I originally planned. Really, it's going to depend on the girls. I have to admit the last three WDW trips were primarily for my own benefit. And that's kind of selfish. So I won't push for WDW any more.

I definitely want to go again when Kara's old enough to appreciate it. So I figure that's at least three years away. Whether or not we go in the next three years or the next 10 is kind of going to depend on whether or not the girls ask for it. I know Mindy's not going to. And I have to respect the fact that I shouldn't push for it anymore.

But in a few years, if Joey really wants to go back I'm sure we will. Or if all of Kara's friends in pre-school go and she wants to go too, I'm sure it will happen. (I'm amazed by the level of peer pressure at pre-schools. Especially where WDW is concerned. All the kids have to go at a certain age, it seems.)

Fortunately, my mom has figured out that Mindy has cooled on Mickey. Currently, mom buys Mindy Bengals stuff. This seems to be working out great for them both.

She keeps buying Joey Tinkerbell stuff because Joey was into her for a few months. But Joey's fickle. She never keeps a favorite very long. Although I'll be damned if she isn't still sleeping with that Jessie doll! I never saw that coming. That has to be a record for her.

Me, I'm still getting the same stuff I was getting when I was 7. But I don't mind. My tastes haven't changed very much really.

Edit:

I just got this picture which illustrates 2 of the points I was making about Joey:

JoeyKara41810003.jpg
 

spectrodanny

Active Member
It did get better. For the most part, the rest of the trip was great. Tiring, but lots of fun.

I was never really clear on what Delta changed about the baggage fees. We don't fly very often, so I don't know what the old policies were. I know they made some kind of change at the beginning of the year. But since we bought our tickets in Dec, it didn't apply to us. Foolishly, I just assumed everything was the same as it was during out last trip in 2008.

Delta does allow 1 carry on and 1 small personal item per person. I guess the new fees must be for additional carry ons? I didn't dwell on it much once I figured out I would be shelling out $60 for my checked luggage.

There will be more on our Delta experience when I get to the return flight. But based on my (limited) knowledge of their current policies, you should be fine.
Alot of the major airlines have bag fees now, about the only one that doesn't is Southwest Airlines another cool thing about that airline is you get to pick your own seat*

*= stewardess jump seat & cockpit excluded
 

Kirk88

Active Member
EXCELLENT trip report! I don't feel so alone in the world now. We did 2 WDW trips last month (we only live a 4 hour drive away) and we had almost the same experience with 3 kiddos. Sorry the dining plan didn't pan out well for y'all, it was GREAT for us. I feel your pain with the soreness from carrying kids around the parks! My wife and I both suffered from the sore back (mine a little more since I found myself carrying 2 kids at some points) and I'm waiting on a meniscus transplant on my left knee, so that felt GREAT as well! Glad y'all had a great trip!:sohappy:
 

olinecoach61

Well-Known Member
This is exactly why I ALWAYS tell people to get their child their own seat once they are able to crawl/ walk. We always got our kiddos their own seat, buckled them in their car seat, and we never had even one problem. They are so used to being in the car seat, and not being able to get out that they are 100% fine with being strapped in. It takes up enough energy just to get on the plane. I don't need a round of midget wrestling for the entire flight! :)

For some reason though, every time I say this in an online thread, five other people behind me post and say "we always just carried our kid on our lap and it was fine." I always wonder - were my kids just terrrible or does everyone else have perfect angels? :shrug: :lol:

I am so excited to read your trip report! I remember when you first mentioned your trip. We missed you by one day. Can't wait to hear more!
Ha ha that line on midget wrestling cracked me up!
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
EXCELLENT trip report! I don't feel so alone in the world now. We did 2 WDW trips last month (we only live a 4 hour drive away) and we had almost the same experience with 3 kiddos. Sorry the dining plan didn't pan out well for y'all, it was GREAT for us. I feel your pain with the soreness from carrying kids around the parks! My wife and I both suffered from the sore back (mine a little more since I found myself carrying 2 kids at some points) and I'm waiting on a meniscus transplant on my left knee, so that felt GREAT as well! Glad y'all had a great trip!:sohappy:

Thanks for the kind words! Glad you liked the TR.

This trip was over a year ago! Hard to believe. The kids are so much bigger now!

From time to time, I've entertained the notion of going back. But whenever I get too serious about it, I come back and re-read this TR. Then I remind myself that the longer I wait, the better the next trip will be.

For anyone who was wondering, here's an update on where things stand. My wife has given me the greenlight to plan a return trip whenever I see fit. In fact, she's alomst pushing for it. :eek: I know, I'm shocked. She hasn't become a WDW fan. She just wants a vacation.

Our oldest daughter is getting ready to start first grade in the fall. She's such a big girl now! Sadly, she has gotten over her Jessie stage. And the Jessie doll she bought and clung to for about a year is now mostly forgotten. Every time I see her sitting with the other stuffed animals and plushes, I hear Sarah MacLaughlin singing "When She Loved Me" from Toy Story 2. So sad.

The baby still loves french toast. She really started walking like crazy just after the trip. Now she's heck on wheels. She's our little trouble maker. She's whip-smart and has a vocabulary I can't believe. Every teacher at her daycare comments on it.

But as advanced as she is, she hates characters in costume and rides. So I don't think she's quite ready for a return to WDW just yet.

At one point, I looked into a return for spring break in 2012. But the timing was way off. Part of the appeal was that in theory, the trip would occur just before Kara turned 3 and therefore would not need a ticket. However, it turns out that spring break in 2012 encompases both Easther and Kara's birthday. That guarantees crowds, higher prices and defeats the entire purpose of going in 2012.

There's been some talk that my extended family might take a trip to FL next year. If so, there would probably be a day-trip to the Magic Kingdom. Not exactly how I like to do things, but the rest of my family (aside from my brother who came along for the 2011 trip) would never agree to a full-on WDW trip.

So realistically, we're probably looking at spring break 2013 as the earliest time for a full Disney World vacation. Unless Disney wants to send me some kind of amazing pin code... I didn't think so.

Anyway, whenever it happens you can bet there will be another obsessively detailed trip report. And far more pictures! (Next time I'm not letting my wife charge the camera before the trip...)
 

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