The Country Bear Jamboree

Grizzly Hall 71

New Member
One of walt's original ideas and I love the bears. I don't see a lot of people sleeping they are either laughing, clapping, or tapping their toes along. The idea isn't dated and the bears are comedic.
CBJ best original MK attraction (takes cover).:dazzle:
 

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
I think we have two main 'problems' with this show.

One which most here have touched on is that it BADLY NEEDS new audio speakers/soundtrack mastering. I have no issues with the original soundtrack, but it needs to be digitally remastered and sent through some modern speakers to properly broadcast the sound. For several years i have visited and the sound always sounds very muddy and far too low in volume levels. It simply needs a modern update to the audio gear.

The other one is the fact that times have changed and audiences have a more difficult time focusing on something for a period of time over 2 minutes. I think the shows does a excellent job of rotating the characters around and definately has a brisk pace when it comes to keeping things moving ( like the multiple character changes). Today's generation, and even some young adults have a hard time focusing on something that is not a tv screen/monitor. Disney knows this, thus why we are always seeing the annoying( IMO) screens popping all up in various newer attractions, or added to 'refurbed' ones. If images are not changing every minute or so, people lose interest. Sad but true in many cases...obviously not for everyone.

I personally adore this show. I have always seen CBJ as a bonified 'Disney Classic' in every sense of the word..but have definately seen it in better condition. These past few years have seen a decline in quality, and it is primarily the sound system currently being used. It really distracts and dissapoints every time i see it/hear the show...but i am a audio geek so i tend to notice this stuff more then Guest Average.

It also has to be said that the figures look as though they need a good overhaul in the cleaning department. This may have been addressed already since i last the show in Sept of 09' ( before the recent refurb). When last i saw it, they looked poor. It may just be the fur colors under the stage lights...but i agree with the poster earlier who summed it up in saying the show felt/looked 'dusty'. Yeah, i would agree I also noted some animation issues ( mostly eye focus..) which needed to be addressed, but ONE character really needed immediate attention-

Probably the worst thing i saw when i last saw the show in September was Max Moose. He was in shambles! BARE METAL was exposed as of Sept 09'....plain as day for all Guests to see ( remember, you walk UNDER his head when leaving the theatre!). Holes in his fur made his mechanical innards very visable. Also his eyes were very badly scratched up from being rubbed by incorrectly fit lids. It was downright creepy seeing him up there looking this bad! Hopefully this was all taken care of in Oct when the refurb was done. This is the first time ever i have seen a AA on active duty at WDW looking so terrible. When i left the building, i had a bad feeling this was the end and i would soon hear of the show closing.

I can feel it coming if some TLC is not forthcoming soon.....but hopefully they took care of the cosmetic issues during the refurb. When i return in January i will of course go to see The Bears ( a must do every trip) and look forward to seeing them looking nice again.
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
^Noting about the theatre looked "dusty" last time I went after the 09 refurb and I was in your mind set prior to that.

As for the audio, for the umpteenth time, it has been restored and put to CD and the itunes store and having listened to it at home and in the park I can not find any difference in quality. THE AUDIO QUALITY IS AS GOOD AS IT'S GOING TO GET (hope you can all see that). If you think you can do better with the original masters than Randy Thortan and crew, feel free to do so.

You can complain about it not begin louder, but having done this at home it just makes the inherit tape "hiss" and "muffled effect" more apparent in the ending and the audio quality truly does vary on the different vocals. Again, this is part of the original mixing/mastering in all probability can't be solved or else it would have given the effort to restore the tracks for the commemorative release (and how the original Mickey Mouse Revue tracks suffer from the same limitations).

Yes The Enchanted Tiki Room sounds better but so does just about every Disney recording from the early 60s vs. the late (and early 70s). Compare Summer Magic to The One and Only Genuine Original Family Band and you'll see what I mean.

Someone suggested re-recording the audio but given Disney's lack of success to find correct sounding replacement vocals for the Summer and Christmas shows in the 80s I doubt they could do better now. Do we really want the bear equivalent to "wrong sounding Muppets"?

I did not see any visible parts exposed, I thought the lighting was better and only the first Henry AA looked like he needed some work done to his right eyelid and fur. And I'm usually the one to jump on the complaining bandwagon.

I seem to be in the minority on the success of the October 09 work, but I guess that just makes me special. :lookaroun
 

J.E.Smith

Well-Known Member
I think we have two main 'problems' with this show.

One which most here have touched on is that it BADLY NEEDS new audio speakers/soundtrack mastering. I have no issues with the original soundtrack, but it needs to be digitally remastered and sent through some modern speakers to properly broadcast the sound. For several years i have visited and the sound always sounds very muddy and far too low in volume levels. It simply needs a modern update to the audio gear.

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They put in new speakers last year, replacing the old ones; some of which dated back to the 70s. The example being is that during the finale you could hardly hear the background audio, when the new speakers came in you could finally hear it loud and clear. The sound's as about as improved as they can get it. Believe me, if you heard the finale before and after the refurb you could tell it's a big improvement.

They also changed all the bears cosmetics out during that time also. Do you have pictures of Max or Melvin with said holes? I didn't spot any in the recent YouTube videos...
 

Computer Magic

Well-Known Member
I was there Tuesday. First visit since I was in highschool 30 something years ago. Seeing the Bears made me realize how much the country music scene has changed since the 70's. Back then you could find real life places where local musicians put on hokey shows in roadside theaters. The Country Bears were a very good sendup of these places and had a relevance that is missing today.

The show Tuesday had about sixty people in the theater and a handful of us were clapping and trying to have a good time but the majority of people were just sitting there. I think it could use a good refubishment and updating. It felt 'dusty' for lack of a better term. The sound was too low, the CMs doing the announcing before and after seemed listless compared to the other theaters I visited. The music itself felt tired.

The characters themselves had a lot of appeal. I saw them in the streets later at the MVMCP and they had a huge crowd around them. My girlfriend who thought the show was boring had a great time dancing in the street with the Bears. She is Canadian and this was her first visit to WDW. She had never heard of the Country Bear Jamboree before. This tells me that it's the presentation of the show and not the characters that need some rejuvenation.

Spruce it up a bit, new sound system, do a better job of explaining the premise in the preshow, dust the characters, clean the costumes and light a fire under the humans involved. It's a great place, but it made me sad to see it feel so neglected.
So glad you have joined us. I would love for you to do a trip report and compare today vs yesterday in your view 30 years later.

I look forward to your fresh ideas 30 years later.
 

Walt Disney1955

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Typical 21st Century mentality. "Lets change for the sake of change". Blasphemy! The Country Bear Jamboree is one of the originals and every time I've been there the crowd gets into it. Find me another place where bears sing country songs. Isn't Disney supposed to be different than everyone else? Isn't that why we love it? Because it may as well be just another Six Flags theme park if you want to get rid of the unique attractions.

Isn't this what makes Disney what it is? The fact that they don't throw in the flavour of the month type of attractions? Or the fact that if you came in 1971 and didn't show up again until 2010 that you would still see some of the same attractions going strong? That's what separates Disney from Universal, or everything else for that matter. It has history.
 

Computer Magic

Well-Known Member
Isn't this what makes Disney what it is? The fact that they don't throw in the flavour of the month type of attractions? Or the fact that if you came in 1971 and didn't show up again until 2010 that you would still see some of the same attractions going strong? That's what separates Disney from Universal, or everything else for that matter. It has history.
I agree a huge part of the thrill is going back and revisiting past rides.
 

daliseurat

Member
Typical 21st Century mentality. "Lets change for the sake of change". Blasphemy! The Country Bear Jamboree is one of the originals and every time I've been there the crowd gets into it. Find me another place where bears sing country songs. Isn't Disney supposed to be different than everyone else? Isn't that why we love it? Because it may as well be just another Six Flags theme park if you want to get rid of the unique attractions.

Isn't this what makes Disney what it is? The fact that they don't throw in the flavour of the month type of attractions? Or the fact that if you came in 1971 and didn't show up again until 2010 that you would still see some of the same attractions going strong? That's what separates Disney from Universal, or everything else for that matter. It has history.

I love singing bears. But, the show itself is not relatable to todays audience. Country music is as popular as ever, more so even. I do think they would do well to rethink the show with updated country music. I'd keep half of what's there, redo the rest and give it a more contemporary feel. And put in some really awesome bears that do something we've never seen. The basics of the show is bears singing country music. Updating the music would destroy it. As long as they don't do it like the Tiki Room under new management.
 

puntagordabob

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We love the Country Bears!

Do love the concept of alternating shows....expensive to set up...but once the infrastructure was in place it would be awesome... then keeping the classic show, plus having some alternate shows would be awesme.

PLUS wouldnt it be nice to see Country Bears Holiday shows?
 

Walt Disney1955

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I love singing bears. But, the show itself is not relatable to todays audience. Country music is as popular as ever, more so even. I do think they would do well to rethink the show with updated country music. I'd keep half of what's there, redo the rest and give it a more contemporary feel. And put in some really awesome bears that do something we've never seen. The basics of the show is bears singing country music. Updating the music would destroy it. As long as they don't do it like the Tiki Room under new management.

Yet people go to it all the time. And I'll ask the obvious question, what exactly IS relatable in Magic Kingdom to today's society? Snow White? Magic pixie dust? Tinkerbell? Pirates? I think that's the point. You are in a different world once you are in Magic Kingdom. A better place. A happy place. The point of Magic Kingdom (I've always thought) is that is doesn't resemble the outside world at all. I thought that was Walt's point
 

daliseurat

Member
Yet people go to it all the time. And I'll ask the obvious question, what exactly IS relatable in Magic Kingdom to today's society? Snow White? Magic pixie dust? Tinkerbell? Pirates? I think that's the point. You are in a different world once you are in Magic Kingdom. A better place. A happy place. The point of Magic Kingdom (I've always thought) is that is doesn't resemble the outside world at all. I thought that was Walt's point

I believe some things at Disney are timeless. Those attractions continue to play to big audiences. Pirates, Haunted Mansion. They stay timeless because they didn't rely on anything contemporary within their story. The Country Bears (And I'm a fan of the regular and holiday show) was created utilizing music that was still popular at the time. Those songs now are not part of the mainstream anymore. So if some newer songs were put in place, say some Reba McEntire, Garth Brooks, Randy Travis, Rascal Flatts...then the attraction might be revitalized. I wouldn't change the tone or have them mock the old show, just update it, like any show you'd see live. And if it could some how be randomized so much the better.

Now if they were to make them Hip Hop Bears I think we'd have a problem. Kind of like the new Tiki Room show. It's already dated and wasn't very good to start with.
 

goreesha

Active Member
I was there Tuesday. First visit since I was in highschool 30 something years ago. Seeing the Bears made me realize how much the country music scene has changed since the 70's. Back then you could find real life places where local musicians put on hokey shows in roadside theaters. The Country Bears were a very good sendup of these places and had a relevance that is missing today.

Actually, Country Bear Jamboree is a parody of the kind of country music theaters that are still very common in places like Branson, Missouri and Gatlinburg, Tennessee. I went to the Baldknobbers show a few years back in Branson, and, let me tell you, it WAS the Country Bear Jamboree with rednecks instead of bears: hokey country music, intentionally lame jokes, and general silliness.
 

muteki

Well-Known Member
This is an example of one original purpose of the parks that often gets forgotten. That is, the original intention of the parks was to have a place that all members of the family can enjoy. So in this case, just because one particular cross section of the family (younger to teen age) doesn't "get" or like an attraction, doesn't mean the whole thing should be ripped out and gutted. There are still other members of the family that may love the attraction and their opinions need to be heard as well. You have to meet in the middle.

I am unsure when "fun for the whole family" started meaning "fun for 5 year olds and younger", but it is one problem that I see popping up in decisions about attractions recently.

I really like CBJ, it is one of the unique experiences that only Disney has. I think Disney needs to hold on to things like this, to keep that originality. You can make it better, add new technology, etc, but don't rip it out because one subsection of your audience doesn't like it that much.
 

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