The Characters have been Butchered!!

General Grizz

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Does anyone here agree with me that the Disney characters are not being "nutured?"

The quality on the television shows "House of Mouse" is so cut and dry. . . as in pure color and line, and that's it. . . there is no warmness, no artist skill that can be seen. That makes these cartoons hard to watch, somewhat heartless, and repetitive.

Disney's next "Viking" cartoon looks like something right out of Nickelodeon. Kim Possible immodestly has half of her body showing . . . is that even necessary?

There have also been character changes; Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow are two examples of characters who have lost character (ironically). Horace dons a backwards hat while Clarabelle is a gossip freak. These are NOT the same characters that we know and love that Walt created over seventy years ago. Also, to see "Bad Mickey" (as in, Mickey Mouses that are put in modern era with clothing, etc). adds a whole new level of weakness to Disney. Even Figment at the parks has lost his character. . . he's now a Bugs Bunny brat instead of a loveable dragon, in my opinion.

Ah yes...merchandise. And who can forget all of the stationary and cards that have the same Mickey Mouse quality images - which after about eight years have gotten REALLY old. Whenever someone shows me a Disney product, I don't even care. Everything is becoming so material and worn out. I can't BEAR to see another "common Mickey Mouse" (i.e. Mickey's Magic Artist style). It's all too cheap.

Disney characters are starting to lose their bang, it seems. Although to meet them in the park is one thing, seeing them over and over again with less and less quality really brings down the magic. It makes the Disney brand commonplace, less heralded, and on level with any other product from separate entertainment industries.

I believe Roy Disney feels the same way. Who can forget the SEQUELS?!?! He himself attacked Eisner for saying that the current company doesn't nurture their characters enough - and I agree, it doesn't - but Eisner just defended himself in a Cast Newsletter, saying that indeed the company IS "nurturing" the Disney Characters.

What do you think?
 

bamboo7

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Well, some of the new shows, like teachers pet, loyd in space, kim possible and recess are alright shows, but they don't really make me think of Disney. But I was raised on 'The Disney Afternoon' so maybe i am just a different audience than what todays kids are.
 

kal1484

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Originally posted by bamboo7
Well, some of the new shows, like teachers pet, loyd in space, kim possible and recess are alright shows, but they don't really make me think of Disney. But I was raised on 'The Disney Afternoon' so maybe i am just a different audience than what todays kids are.


I just don't see where Teacher's Pet, Loyd in Space, Etc are even good shows. Only if I am bored do I have the patience to sit down and watch those.
 

meeko_33785

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House of Mouse doesn't bother me too much. The only characters in the show that bother me are the "new" Claribell and the Princesses (who just seems way too shallow and have absolutly dreadful animation).

Yeah, the new DIsney Channel Show looks terrible, but then again I'm not exactly the demographic they're going for. And yes, I agree that Kim Possible could use more clothes that cover her midriff. I have noticed lately she has been wearing a bit less revieling shirts though. I actually like Kim Possible, but agree that her clothes definatly send mixed messages to young girls about how they should dress.
 

Testtrack321

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I totally agree Grizz, I hate House of Mouse, although my sisten was watching it once and when Donald and Dasy blew the place up, the face on Mickey and Minnie was HILARIOUS!
 

MicBat

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I cringed when I saw the new cartoon coming to the Disney Channel! It looks like one of those dreadful Nicktoons!! And I didn't think Teacher's Pet was popular enough to have a movie?!... *shudder* The character on House of Mouse that gets on my nerves is Daisy. I dont recall her being so annoying in the classic cartoons. Maybe I'm mistaken. :confused:
 

MicBat

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Originally posted by grizzlyhall
Kim Possible immodestly has half of her body showing . . . is that even necessary?
Let's not forget Mickey and Minnie are originally topless and Donald PANTLESS!!! :lol: :lol: :hammer:
 

Wilt Dasney

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Re: Re: The Characters have been Butchered!!

Originally posted by MicBat
Let's not forget Mickey and Minnie are originally topless and Donald PANTLESS!!! :lol: :lol: :hammer:

Not to mention what Jasmine and Ariel wear...
 

General Grizz

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Re: Re: Re: The Characters have been Butchered!!

Originally posted by Wilt Dasney
Not to mention what Jasmine and Ariel wear...

I am upset at both Jasmine and Ariel, however those DO match with culture and original story.

How many TEENAGE SPIES have OPEN STOMACHS??

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: *sigh*
 

Wilt Dasney

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Re: Re: Re: Re: The Characters have been Butchered!!

Originally posted by grizzlyhall

How many TEENAGE SPIES have OPEN STOMACHS??

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: *sigh*

Haven't met too many, so I really couldn't say. :D

If I see one, I'll ask her.
 

NowInc

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As an animator..i can tell you its not easy to output a high quality animation with strict deadlines..such as those imposed on the average syndicated cartoon show.
 

JLW11Hi

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I gotta say, House of Mouse is one of the better quality animated shows out there!

With TV animation, the emphasis should be on interesting stories and comedey. Its been that way since Rocky and Bulwinkle and Hanna Barberra of the 60s.

Top quality animation, which was used in the classic cartoons of the 30s and 40s, just won't happen with tv animation. There's nothing wrong with that.....I personally dislike it when people assume that television animators have less skill than those working in feature animation. They are on tighter deadlines, and there fore, have to cut back. That is the reason you don't see the same Aladdin or Mickey as you did when they first appeared in theaters or in their more "classic" state.

One thing I must say about television animation is taht there is more emphasis on style, rather than the actual animiation. Look at Dexter's Lab. That is the perfect example of "stylalized (sp?)" animation at its best...or at least one of my favs :)
 

prberk

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Originally posted by JLW11Hi
With TV animation, the emphasis should be on interesting stories and comedey. Its been that way since Rocky and Bulwinkle and Hanna Barberra of the 60s.

Top quality animation, which was used in the classic cartoons of the 30s and 40s, just won't happen with tv animation. There's nothing wrong with that.....I personally dislike it when people assume that television animators have less skill than those working in feature animation. They are on tighter deadlines, and there fore, have to cut back. That is the reason you don't see the same Aladdin or Mickey as you did when they first appeared in theaters or in their more "classic" state.

Yes, but I remember when Disney re-entered television animation in the early nineties (I think): they promised better-quality animation than other TV animation. They said that it woudl have more drawings per second, etc., than regular TV animation, and more attention to quality.

I guess that has gone out the window.
 

TURKEY

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I happen to like House of Mouse. Although some of the characters aren't what they used to be, at least there are cartoons featuring the top characters. As bad as the animation was, I loved the show with the Ranger and Humprey and the rest of the bears.


I also like Kim Possible. I really don't notice what she's wearing, but it seems that she dresses like most of the kids I see around
are dressing already. I don't think she started a trend and more kids look at others like Britney Spears, musical artists, and real humans in general.
 

ISTCrew20

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I also like House Of Mouse. I watch it when I get home from school. I think its really funny, and Daisy is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE! The episode where Mickey and Minnie go on a road trip, and Daisy invites herself is hilarious. Atleast the classic Disney characters still have a show, and they do show the old Donald and Chip and Dale, and Silly Symphonies cartoons. I really like House Of Mouse, and for a cheap show thats on at 3, its awesome...

Kim Possible Is not one of my favorites. Actually, "The Proud Family" is one of my favorite shows, besides Raven, on the channel. If you really sit down and watch it, you'll see the animation isnt the best, but the show is one of the funniest things I've seen. There are also alot of pokes at Disney on the show too. Wizard Kelly's (the millionare that owns everything in the town) motto is "It all started with a basketball" and Wizard listens to peoples complaints...then gives them a voucher for a free popcorn.

Did anyone notice, on the end of one proud family episode, they were doing fake cartoon bloopers, and Penny was all mad and she called someone a pig, and the animators voice was heard, and it said "You cant call someone a pig, the network thinks its to harsh" I wonder what that was about
 

General Grizz

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I agree that House of Mouse is fun to watch.

And Daisy IS funny. But the argument is, it isn't Daisy. I say, create a new character. Because Daisy IS a character. If you change the character, you have to change the identity or else the fundamental weakness shows through.
 

ISTCrew20

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Originally posted by grizzlyhall
I agree that House of Mouse is fun to watch.

And Daisy IS funny. But the argument is, it isn't Daisy. I say, create a new character. Because Daisy IS a character. If you change the character, you have to change the identity or else the fundamental weakness shows through.

Thats true, but did Daisy even have a personality, like before HOM?...I dont ever remember seeing her in old cartoons. Oh, and I also love the things at the end when the mic announces the products who sponsered the show. That always cracks me up. Isnt the guy who does the voice for the mic Rod Roddy, "The Price Is Right" announcer?...He passed away didnt he?

Excuse me, I have to go get some "Bippity Boppity Stew"
 

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