The Boat House construction at Disney Springs The Landing

[WDWDad13]

well in their defense... massive construction at DTD can't be hidden like Pandora can in AK and I'm not sure how else they could do all of this construction while still leaving DTD open...so while it does look like a bomb has hit in some places.. I guess we'll just have to wait on the end result

 

[R W B]

Down here now, it looks beyond horrible. I've taken a lot of photo's around DTD/Pleasure and none of them do justice to how icky the place is now. The only OK-ish thing is the dock they built for the resort ferries. Nothing like a plumbers tushie hanging out over the World of Disney as you enter the place. Bad. The whole area looks like a war zone.

This was my first view arriving by ferry.

They can't exactly hide the construction. Just kinda have to roll with it here. It should all be worth it in the end.

 

[dstrawn9889]

yeah, hard to float construction walls, they tend to act like sailboats....

 

[WDWDad13]

yeah, hard to float construction walls, they tend to act like sailboats....

"Disney can't do anything right... I mean 'cmon... construction at DTD that we can see and hear...Uni could build this overnight"

actually it's funny to hear people complain about how long it takes them to build something and then when something like Disney Springs is all hands on deck and construction is going on everywhere to get to a big end result people complain then too

 

[dstrawn9889]

and they are blowing out Disney Springs at the speed of a DVC... they really have intention of getting it done as quickly as possible.

 

[Bolt]

and they are blowing out Disney Springs at the speed of a DVC... they really have intention of getting it done as quickly as possible.

Revenue creating construction is the best to watch.

 

[Gabe1]

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"Disney can't do anything right... I mean 'cmon... construction at DTD that we can see and hear...Uni could build this overnight"

actually it's funny to hear people complain about how long it takes them to build something and then when something like Disney Springs is all hands on deck and construction is going on everywhere to get to a big end result people complain then too

Actually all hands are not on deck at Springs nor the Moats, both are turtle construction pace. Springs is finally adding floors to parking garage. We maybe saw a handful of dudes in the moat over 8 days so far.

Now where I did see all hands on deck was at the Mine Train this week, more than I've seen ever and suits watching from sidewalk around the dwarf. But where I am really impressed with the Uni style lets get this done is the Poly DVC water bungalows. They were not vertical when we got down here 8 days ago and vertical they are with huge construction crews. DVCs are the priority.

The sun is just coming up in this photo, full crew already working the length of the new pier.
While I'll try and lighten when I get home, you can tell how tall the structures are by how much of the Poly longhouses are now obstructed by the bungalows.

 

[WDWDad13]

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Actually all hands are not on deck at Springs nor the Moats, both are turtle construction pace. Springs is finally adding floors to parking garage. We maybe saw a handful of dudes in the moat over 8 days so far.

Now where I did see all hands on deck was at the Mine Train this week, more than I've seen ever and suits watching from sidewalk around the dwarf. But where I am really impressed with the Uni style lets get this done is the Poly DVC water bungalows. They were not vertical when we got down here 8 days ago and vertical they are with huge construction crews. DVCs are the priority.

The sun is just coming up in this photo, full crew already working the length of the new pier.
While I'll try and lighten when I get home, you can tell how tall the structures are by how much of the Poly longhouses are now obstructed by the bungalows.

I think it's safe to say the construction here is much different where at Disney springs there is also a lot of deconstruction too whereas here they build a platform over water and bring in material for individual matching small villa structures

 

[Gabe1]

I think it's safe to say the construction here is much different where at Disney springs there is also a lot of deconstruction too whereas here they build a platform over water and bring in material for individual matching small villa structures

Meh, depends if you we are trying to make excuses for Disney or not. Uni had so much deconstruction and then construction and can finished both in a timely fashion. So either Disney is real bad at it or Uni is that much more superior at the timely destruction process.

Disney has been destructing Pleasure Island for years now. Few can scramble up excuses for that. If they can't even knock it down I can't say I hold out hope for Disney to construct in anything but slow-motion.

 

[WDWDad13]

Meh, depends if you we are trying to make excuses for Disney or not. Uni had so much deconstruction and then construction and can finished both in a timely fashion. So either Disney is real bad at it or Uni is that much more superior at the timely destruction process.

Disney has been destructing Pleasure Island for years now. Few can scramble up excuses for that. If they can't even knock it down I can't say I hold out hope for Disney to construct in anything but slow-motion.

I wouldn't matter what Disney did...someone would complain

I'm not making excuses. If you look at the Disney springs project this is huge and yes, bigger than the potter construction as well. How would you propose they do it because it looks to me like there are things being worked on all the time and in numerous places at DTD right now

Uni's construction were in areas by itself for the most part, like pandora is right now which makes it easier. Plus some of Uni's construction were boxy buildings with exterior decor and inside work. Disney Springs construction is all over the place while other things are open and not only on ground but in and out above the water too which adds another challenge and care.

Say what you want about other Disney parks projects and the time it took....but Disney springs is all hands on deck and full steam ahead

 

[MOXOMUMD]

yeah, hard to float construction walls, they tend to act like sailboats....

With the Florida weather, couldn't you see them blowing everywhere during a storm?

 

[Gabe1]

I wouldn't matter what Disney did...someone would complain

I'm not making excuses. If you look at the Disney springs project this is huge and yes, bigger than the potter construction as well. How would you propose they do it because it looks to me like there are things being worked on all the time and in numerous places at DTD right now

Uni's construction were in areas by itself for the most part, like pandora is right now which makes it easier. Plus some of Uni's construction were boxy buildings with exterior decor and inside work. Disney Springs construction is all over the place while other things are open and not only on ground but in and out above the water too which adds another challenge and care.

Say what you want about other Disney parks projects and the time it took....but Disney springs is all hands on deck and full steam ahead

I've yet to see the all hands on deck at Disney Springs, nor did I see all hands on Deck during the FLE project.
This week being down here this is the most construction worker I've seen on Dwarf in almost 2 years. The same went for the Tangled Potties. That is the difference between Uni projects and WDW projects. Uni puts all hands on Deck 24/7 unlike Disney. Even this week I've yet to see more than 2 guys in the moat around the castle. It is all walled off, they could put full crews on to get it done but no. We watched 2 men while we ate lunch in Tomorrowland and the one guy spackle as the one watched, more talking than spackling.

One must keep in mind that the wishy washy Disney has been bulldozing and closing up the downtown district since Hyperion 2008-9 and demo'ing it. That is Disney, that isn't how Uni operates its construction projects.
Construction walls and demo'd buildings have been up for 5 years already. That is Disney's all hands on deck approach. FLE announced so long ago and those walls are still up, by the few workers I've seen in the guest areas over the last week and a half I can't expect Disney with Springs to change their standard construction at
turtle pace protocol. I'll upload some pictures to show you how few workers are really on deck when I can get to my laptop.

 

[WDWDad13]

I've yet to see the all hands on deck at Disney Springs, nor did I see all hands on Deck during the FLE project.
This week being down here this is the most construction worker I've seen on Dwarf in almost 2 years. The same went for the Tangled Potties. That is the difference between Uni projects and WDW projects. Uni puts all hands on Deck 24/7 unlike Disney. Even this week I've yet to see more than 2 guys in the moat around the castle. It is all walled off, they could put full crews on to get it done but no. We watched 2 men while we ate lunch in Tomorrowland and the one guy spackle as the one watched, more talking than spackling.

One must keep in mind that the wishy washy Disney has been bulldozing and closing up the downtown district since Hyperion 2008-9 and demo'ing it. That is Disney, that isn't how Uni operates its construction projects.
Construction walls and demo'd buildings have been up for 5 years already. That is Disney's all hands on deck approach. FLE announced so long ago and those walls are still up, by the few workers I've seen in the guest areas over the last week and a half I can't expect Disney with Springs to change their standard construction at
turtle pace protocol. I'll upload some pictures to show you how few workers are really on deck when I can get to my laptop.

sigh so fantasyland took longer than you wanted? So what? This was ther plan all along and it's not behind schedule.

As for you not seeing workers at FLE and Disney Springs...you do realize there is inside work being done as well right?

One last thing....Uni is quick at construction because....wait for it....they needed to be

 

[dstrawn9889]

ummm, how much construction have you been involved in @Gabe1 ? if you throw unnecessary money at a project you can generally speed up the process by about 15%... the more complex the system the more it costs to go faster, and the slower the top speed can possibly be. (trades get in the way of each other.) SURE, you can build a house in a day, but it takes months of planning and ridiculous man hours to prove that it can be done...(and most of the work is done off-site and hope to lord that everyone used the right tape measure.)

 

[Gabe1]

ummm, how much construction have you been involved in @Gabe1 ? if you throw unnecessary money at a project you can generally speed up the process by about 15%... the more complex the system the more it costs to go faster, and the slower the top speed can possibly be. (trades get in the way of each other.) SURE, you can build a house in a day, but it takes months of planning and ridiculous man hours to prove that it can be done...(and most of the work is done off-site and hope to lord that everyone used the right tape measure.)

I come from a family contracting business. If you put two guys on the project on a 8 hour shift you will stretch the project out. If you beef up the contract so the contractor that you award the contract to can run shifts 24/7 with overtime and late shift offerings the project will get done far faster than the 15 percent you present. Take a look at the pier project at TTC and the DVC project at the Poly. Those are fully staffed construction projects like Uni is doing. You do not see a couple of construction workers on a Uni construction sight, you see a full crew for their projects, Uni is motivated. Go back and look at the construction photo's for the building of the Magic Kingdom and Epcot. All the trades were there together. Amazing General Contractors. They built entire parks in less time than FLE or Hyperion/Springs projects. If you don't have access to those photo's let me know. There are also some great YouTubes out there for the building of the original resorts and the monorail, it will show you how the trades and different, quality General Contractors and Subcontractors

Our company was one of the contractors for the Sears Tower in Chicago. The foundation alone for that building is amazing. The structure was complete from the first beam to conclusion in just over 2 years. All of the trades were in the tower overlapping each other. While pipe fitters finished one section the insulators came next while the pipe fitters move onto the next section. Works the same way with iron workers and plumbers etc. Inferior General Contractors may not be able to coordinate the subcontractors but quality General Contractors can have more than one trade working at a time. Now it is possible that Disney has gone cheap, went with lower bids and longer lengths of time and they could be doing projects like FLE and Springs piece meal, one subcontractor at a time to make the shareholders happy. But I don't still grasp 2 guys maximum in a moat spackling. I was impressed with the Poly DVC, there had to be 25 guys per unit and the same for the new Pier at TTC. Large crews get jobs completed in a timely fashion. They brought a full crew in to demo the Poly's Cooks venue mid trip. I can't imagine that will take nearly as long as the Starbucks projects. They have motivation to do so, DVCs bring in revenue. If you look at how quickly Universal demo'd the previous attractions for Harry Potter the squeal, cleared and broke ground it was quick. It is all documented on many sights. Uni just is motivated like Disney use to be to complete projects for their guests. I anticipate Uni Hollywoods expansion announced this week to move just as timely as Uni Orlando's projects have been and they had major independent attractions being constructed at the same time. Nothing beats a General Contractor that knows what they are doing. Disney use to hire them.

 

[Bolt]

I come from a family contracting business. If you put two guys on the project on a 8 hour shift you will stretch the project out. If you beef up the contract so the contractor that you award the contract to can run shifts 24/7 with overtime and late shift offerings the project will get done far faster than the 15 percent you present. Take a look at the pier project at TTC and the DVC project at the Poly. Those are fully staffed construction projects like Uni is doing. You do not see a couple of construction workers on a Uni construction sight, you see a full crew for their projects, Uni is motivated. Go back and look at the construction photo's for the building of the Magic Kingdom and Epcot. All the trades were there together. Amazing General Contractors. They built entire parks in less time than FLE or Hyperion/Springs projects. If you don't have access to those photo's let me know. There are also some great YouTubes out there for the building of the original resorts and the monorail, it will show you how the trades and different, quality General Contractors and Subcontractors

Our company was one of the contractors for the Sears Tower in Chicago. The foundation alone for that building is amazing. The structure was complete from the first beam to conclusion in just over 2 years. All of the trades were in the tower overlapping each other. While pipe fitters finished one section the insulators came next while the pipe fitters move onto the next section. Works the same way with iron workers and plumbers etc. Inferior General Contractors may not be able to coordinate the subcontractors but quality General Contractors can have more than one trade working at a time. Now it is possible that Disney has gone cheap, went with lower bids and longer lengths of time and they could be doing projects like FLE and Springs piece meal, one subcontractor at a time to make the shareholders happy. But I don't still grasp 2 guys maximum in a moat spackling. I was impressed with the Poly DVC, there had to be 25 guys per unit and the same for the new Pier at TTC. Large crews get jobs completed in a timely fashion. They brought a full crew in to demo the Poly's Cooks venue mid trip. I can't imagine that will take nearly as long as the Starbucks projects. They have motivation to do so, DVCs bring in revenue. If you look at how quickly Universal demo'd the previous attractions for Harry Potter the squeal, cleared and broke ground it was quick. It is all documented on many sights. Uni just is motivated like Disney use to be to complete projects for their guests. I anticipate Uni Hollywoods expansion announced this week to move just as timely as Uni Orlando's projects have been and they had major independent attractions being constructed at the same time. Nothing beats a General Contractor that knows what they are doing. Disney use to hire them.

Pretty sure I saw a couple hundred people working at the parking garage construction on it's own today

 

[GoofGoof]

Pretty sure I saw a couple hundred people working at the parking garage construction on it's own today

Nope. Just 2 guys working 8 hour shifts.

One guy is big and green and looks angry all the time and the other carries a huge hammer...what did you think the billions were for when they bought Marvel

 

[Gabe1]

sigh so fantasyland took longer than you wanted? So what? This was ther plan all along and it's not behind schedule.

As for you not seeing workers at FLE and Disney Springs...you do realize there is inside work being done as well right?

One last thing....Uni is quick at construction because....wait for it....they needed to be

Not much of FLE completed on time. If you go back and review the facts the time lines kept changing. Right down to the Princess Hall. If you keep moving the completion date that is one way of tricking the some guests into believing they are on schedule. It goes over most guests heads. Pull up the original timelines verses the later ones. Disney is a master at moving timelines without acknowledging it misses them. Test Track 2.0 was so far off its original target date, it came through a few days early on its last project date and they announced it was opening early. So funny. 4 months off its target completion and they spin it as completed ahead of schedule. Most guests just get lost in the pixie dust that they don't fact check. It is like looking at the final completion date for the Original Test Track. The final had it on schedule, the original, well years late. Hyperion should have been completed long ago, change the plans some more, give it a new name to match its new timeline.

Most guests forget that FLE just like Springs were halted and by those who make endless excuses for Disney. Both instances they changed the plans. What was announced at D23 was not the original. Timelines changed and kept changing. But those who make excuses only look at the final timeline.

As for condescending comments they lack merit and are just a diversion from the fact that Disney won't build in a timely fashion, a so what is just that, an attempt to thwart. I accept that some guests are happy to visit parks for years and years for two attractions and will defend Disney for their construction practices and enjoy the 2x year price increases. Me, I long ago lost the magical feeling for construction walls in FLE and DTD area, construction walls are not magical for me. I accept others love construction walls and don't mind the congestion they are causing let alone the blight to the area, different tastes I guess. Way too many years with little to show for the inconvenience. As for Springs we will see how that all goes. World of Disney is packed every night yet you can walk up to any counter without a wait to purchase. Lots of window shoppers. I'm not buying into the premise that we all are going to budget that much more and spend that much more in DTD restaurants and stores. Likely Springs will be pretty, just like FLE is, pretty to stroll around in. FLE didn't boost the occupancy stats and I doubt Springs will either.

 

[Gabe1]

Pretty sure I saw a couple hundred people working at the parking garage construction on it's own today

Now that is very possible. Yay!!! I was speaking to Springs venue, not the parking garages as they are very separate projects. I've been looking at the DTD and Pleasure Island areas this week, didn't venture into the parking lot, value my life too much for that, it is a major mess out there. But a very good point! That portion of the project is not being funded by Disney, it is being funded with public funds, so I have no doubt whatsoever that that parking garages would have full construction crews since Disney isn't footing the bill for them. Good to hear there are some General Contractors out there that know what they are doing.

Edit
I was on a bus so hard to see garage crews you are seeing. (sorry for the ordering of photo's working off my phone and am obviously having issues getting the photos to post where they should. )

 

[Gabe1]