Test Track Post Show Car Purchase

Master Yoda

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With no kids, we never drove a mini van, but I do feel your pain. When I was younger I had a Plymouth Duster 360 that was wicked fast, and my wife had a Firebird Formula...a long way from today's practical and reliable Toyota. I do have a fairly new Chevy Silverado to pull the camper with, and a VTX 1300 to try to hang on to a little bit of youth, and to blow by old dudes in mini vans!
Kid number 3 made either a mini-van of a big SUV a necessity. A Saturn SL2 and a 4 seater sports car was not going to cut it. I looked at both options and wanted neither. The minivan came it at a much lower cost than an SUV with better fuel economy to boot so I took the hit for the team. Truth be told, the minivan has been a pretty good purchase. I can yank all the seats out which gives me a huge covered and lockable cargo area and it gave me a good bit of space between my kids on road trips (since you don't have kids, space avoids the "She is on my side!" argument:)) The only bad thing is the brakes and bearings were not really designed for the weight of the vehicle. I replace all the wheel bearings every 100K because if the fail, which they have, a $200 repair turns into a $1200 one, and I have yet to get more than 40k out of a set of front brakes.
 

HDS

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I have nothing personal against Chevy but not a fan of any of their current models. My brother has a SS "Bubble Bee" Camaro, I didn't like the drive or the blind spots or the over all feel of the car being big and heavy.
I just got a 2013 Ford Focus ST3 last weekend. Talk about a fun fast car ;)
 

jw24

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Well, considering that my household has never bought American made cars, probably not. I mean, I can't just look at a car and just buy it. I need to research it, google car reviews to make sure if it's a worthy buy or not. There wasn't anything really at the TT postshow that made me say, "I must have that car" but rather, "okay, it looks nice but I need to google it and see how it is and get perspectives from someone who isn't a spokesman for GM or Chevy."
 

Sassagoula-Rvr

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Well, considering that my household has never bought American made cars, probably not. I mean, I can't just look at a car and just buy it. I need to research it, google car reviews to make sure if it's a worthy buy or not. There wasn't anything really at the TT postshow that made me say, "I must have that car" but rather, "okay, it looks nice but I need to google it and see how it is and get perspectives from someone who isn't a spokesman for GM or Chevy."
on a side note...one of the Big 3 had their sedan (Impala) rated #1 for the first time in two decades...Detroit's on the rise? (and by detroit...I mean American car companies...not the city)
 

matt9112

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Have you
Kid number 3 made either a mini-van of a big SUV a necessity. A Saturn SL2 and a 4 seater sports car was not going to cut it. I looked at both options and wanted neither. The minivan came it at a much lower cost than an SUV with better fuel economy to boot so I took the hit for the team. Truth be told, the minivan has been a pretty good purchase. I can yank all the seats out which gives me a huge covered and lockable cargo area and it gave me a good bit of space between my kids on road trips (since you don't have kids, space avoids the "She is on my side!" argument:)) The only bad thing is the brakes and bearings were not really designed for the weight of the vehicle. I replace all the wheel bearings every 100K because if the fail, which they have, a $200 repair turns into a $1200 one, and I have yet to get more than 40k out of a set of front brakes.
Have you tried full ceramic pads? Wagner makes a nice set....granted I'm partial to hawk brake pads I don't know if they make them for your van....if so there great too.
 

Master Yoda

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Have you

Have you tried full ceramic pads? Wagner makes a nice set....granted I'm partial to hawk brake pads I don't know if they make them for your van....if so there great too.
Yep. The last set I put on were Hawx SUV pads with cross drilled and slotted rotors. Between the rotors, hardware and the pads I spent $300 on parts alone. I got 40k on that set up. The last brake job I did I turned the drilled and slotted rotors and used Wagner thermoQuiet pads. We shall see how long they last.

The big problem is the brakes are way undersized for the weight of the vehicle. The size of the brakes on this 5000+ lb van are almost identical to the brakes on your average 2500 lb compact sedan. IMHO they should have uses a 17" rim and upped the brake size accordingly. Sadly, there are no aftermarket kits available that would let me do this.
 

ExtinctJenn

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OP- I LOVE the Spark! We are a one car family as well (which REALLY sucks sometimes) and are looking for a small second car- wish they has the electric version in FL though- that would be perfect.
I'd expect to see the electric one down there within the year. I was talking to the dealer and they are slowly rolling them starting with places where people experience traffic etc. more often (i.e. NYC, LA, etc.). :)
 

Master Yoda

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I'd expect to see the electric one down there within the year. I was talking to the dealer and they are slowly rolling them starting with places where people experience traffic etc. more often (i.e. NYC, LA, etc.). :)
If they ever get an electric car down to a reasonable price, I will be on board big time. Right now, a Volt would be perfect for me. My daily driving is well inside its range and the size would be just fine as well now that I am down to one kid. The idea of having to fill up one or twice a year is very appealing to me. Paying $40k for a mid size sedan, not so much.
 

ExtinctJenn

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If they ever get an electric car down to a reasonable price, I will be on board big time. Right now, a Volt would be perfect for me. My daily driving is well inside its range and the size would be just fine as well now that I am down to one kid. The idea of having to fill up one or twice a year is very appealing to me. Paying $40k for a mid size sedan, not so much.
Yeah I couldn't believe the sticker on the Volt when we were at the Chevy dealer. I had no clue they were so much. Sure you save by not having to spend anything in gas but your electric bill is gonna go up. I think... if I remember right... the Chevy Spark EV (electric version) was basing around $17? I could be wrong. I had no interest in it so I didn't spend much time reading about it.
 

Master Yoda

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Yeah I couldn't believe the sticker on the Volt when we were at the Chevy dealer. I had no clue they were so much. Sure you save by not having to spend anything in gas but your electric bill is gonna go up. I think... if I remember right... the Chevy Spark EV (electric version) was basing around $17? I could be wrong. I had no interest in it so I didn't spend much time reading about it.
From what I have read, the rise in your electric bill was somewhere in the neighborhood of $20 a month. I spend almost 4 times that a week in gas.
 

ExtinctJenn

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From what I have read, the rise in your electric bill was somewhere in the neighborhood of $20 a month. I spend almost 4 times that a week in gas.
Oh wow really? I have never really looked into it much... probably because, as I mentioned in the original post, we had zero intentions of buying a new car any time soon. This was a completely unexpected thing and honestly once I realized the Spark was the cheapest in it's class, and read reviews on the others, I didn't go any further than planning my trip to the Chevy dealer. LOL
 

acishere

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1. I like my Mustang.

2. Your driving experience is forever ruined by Michael Bay.
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Wait, you wouldn't want a car that transforms into a robot version of Jar Jar Binks?
 

matt9112

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Yep. The last set I put on were Hawx SUV pads with cross drilled and slotted rotors. Between the rotors, hardware and the pads I spent $300 on parts alone. I got 40k on that set up. The last brake job I did I turned the drilled and slotted rotors and used Wagner thermoQuiet pads. We shall see how long they last.

The big problem is the brakes are way undersized for the weight of the vehicle. The size of the brakes on this 5000+ lb van are almost identical to the brakes on your average 2500 lb compact sedan. IMHO they should have uses a 17" rim and upped the brake size accordingly. Sadly, there are no aftermarket kits available that would let me do this.
Yep. The last set I put on were Hawx SUV pads with cross drilled and slotted rotors. Between the rotors, hardware and the pads I spent $300 on parts alone. I got 40k on that set up. The last brake job I did I turned the drilled and slotted rotors and used Wagner thermoQuiet pads. We shall see how long they last.

The big problem is the brakes are way undersized for the weight of the vehicle. The size of the brakes on this 5000+ lb van are almost identical to the brakes on your average 2500 lb compact sedan. IMHO they should have uses a 17" rim and upped the brake size accordingly. Sadly, there are no aftermarket kits available that would let me do this.


what you might be able to look into if there are no kits is to see if there was ever a higher tier of brakes from the factory...sometimes grand touring and or "sportier" trims can have larger brakes..i cant imagine that that frame/axle setup was only used on the one minivan. im sure you know all this but i am just beating that horse...with a 5 iron.

and if your interested in all electric tesla offers a much better product than the volt..the volt was rushed and was way behind tesla....besides tesla has inked deals with Toyota so i will put my money that they are not going anywhere...there tech is light years ahead of your normal giant battery bank setup. granted your paying an insane premium....60k plus for the model S they even have battery swapping stations being built....fully recharged swaps in less time than it takes to fill a 20 gallon tank of gas....yeah there building a network across the country from LA to NYC....and the government....is nowhere in sight...minus zero emission certs..... on a side note those extra green credits tesla has for you know not selling any gasoline cars....yeah there selling those to Toyota and ford by the boatload.
 
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donaldtoo

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I had enough issues of Car Craft, Hot Rod, Motor trend, and Road & track magazines taken up by teachers (mostly in German class - gee, thanks Frau Kramer...! :rolleyes: :D ;)) in HS for the creation of a small library.
I'm still hoping to someday be able to either restore or acquire one of my all-time favorite dream cars...any late '60's, early '70's Chevelle 454 SS. Nothin' like the lope of a big block eight banger...!!! :happy:
 

Master Yoda

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what you might be able to look into if there are no kits is to see if there was ever a higher tier of brakes from the factory...sometimes grand touring and or "sportier" trims can have larger brakes..i cant imagine that that frame/axle setup was only used on the one minivan. im sure you know all this but i am just beating that horse...with a 5 iron.
I have been looking for options since about 2004. The only thing similar is the Ford Windstar and the components are not any better. When it comes to better models, I bought top of the line already so there is no where to go but down.

I have been dealing with the basic break pads and the ceramics so far and I think I am going to go with metallic on the next round. I have found a few metallics that rate pretty good when it comes to noise and dust and I have also found a source for drilled and slotted rotors that are one $20 a set more that standard rotors. Thankfully, ding brakes on this thing is pretty easy. I have the whole process to under an hour now.
 

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