AceAstro
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Team Orbis Brainstorming Thread - Project Two: The Golf War
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montydysquith-navarro
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Hm, now that I'm attempting to develop the "History of Aviation" concept, it seems too encyclopedic and/or too repetitive for a mini-golf course. It might end up looking like an interactive piece from an aviation museum than a Disney park. Besides, there's a reason why If You Had Wings/Delta Dreamflight/Take Flight disappeared from Tomorrowland in WDW. Back to the drawing board!
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Pi on my Cake
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We could divide it by thirds. First six holes could be an aviation history theme, then theres canon or something that shoots up to the next level for 6 holes of fantasy in the sky with clouds and rainbow bridges and maybe the house from Up or some other IP, then the Earth to the Moon cannon could shoot up to a third level with a last 6 holes in SPACE!
pix
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Okay. I was asleep before i could come on and give the final call for sky and all. Apologies. But! you guys have done a great job and now that I have caught up I am ready to talk more in depth about some of these ideas.
Firstly I think that the layout with the mountain in the middle and Sea/Sky on either side is really smart and I am a-okay going with that if @Outbound and @Sharon&Susan agree.
Secondly, I think our course should be a little bit more difficult but I think going full Fantasia fairgrounds is too far cause that second course has really no theming and the fun of mini-golf is in the theming I think.
That being said, I do think we should stay away from IPs. I think more Epcot-esc feel will lend itself well to the sky as being slightly more grown-up while still tapping into the creativity and imagination that gives that Disney feel.
I wanna see what the other teams are doing for presentation but I think a mini-golf course would work well in google slides, with each hole being a slide.
Firstly I think that the layout with the mountain in the middle and Sea/Sky on either side is really smart and I am a-okay going with that if @Outbound and @Sharon&Susan agree.
Secondly, I think our course should be a little bit more difficult but I think going full Fantasia fairgrounds is too far cause that second course has really no theming and the fun of mini-golf is in the theming I think.
That being said, I do think we should stay away from IPs. I think more Epcot-esc feel will lend itself well to the sky as being slightly more grown-up while still tapping into the creativity and imagination that gives that Disney feel.
I wanna see what the other teams are doing for presentation but I think a mini-golf course would work well in google slides, with each hole being a slide.
AceAstro
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What if the house from UP is the way to get from hole 6 to hole 7? Have it be a fake “elevator” like the Hydrolators were but realistic enough the guests feel like they’re flying
AceAstro
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I know that’s always the dream. But lately, that doesn’t feel super realistic.
That version of epcot lasted a decade (and even then it was entirely sponsored-based). EPCOT now does have a larger IP presence as that’s what brings in the non-diehard fans. If the average guest is paying for mini golf (typically more than what they pay at home), odds are they want to see characters they know and love.
It’s the same reason you see IP integrated to the other Disney courses. Full-fledged IP-less is pretty impossible nowadays
Pi on my Cake
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To be fair, only Fantasia Gardens has IP and only the regular course. The other three courses at Disney are all IP free.
But I agree we shouldn't avoid IP completely. Even if I'm with @gam3rprincess that it shouldn't be a huge focus.
pix
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Fair, and I know realism is something to think about, but I know that this is part of a trio of courses and having one be IP less would be similar to Fantasia fairway and gardens where the one that is mini-golf is heavy themed, and the one that is "golf but small" is nearly theme-less, which if I remember correctly the only theming is the names - the actual course isn't decorated at all.
And this specific season of SYWBAI was supposed to be more out of the box if I remember correctly. I don't want to limit ourselves to just what would conceivably be approved by the company now.
montydysquith-navarro
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I was actually talking about in terms of the level of difficulty, not the level of theming. Unless we're completely nixing levels of difficulty in the entire complex?
pix
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Then yeah just by difficulty level I would think ours being a but more challenging would be neat.
AceAstro
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Nothing is IP free anymore
I am absolutely fine with “less IP’s”, I just didn’t want us dinged for realism as it is still a competition where the lowest team has a team member eliminated.
Pi on my Cake
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I did forget there was a few more references than I remembered mixed in lol. I think that is a good guide for how we should use IPs though. Incorporated smoothly into the setting and relatively subtle.
pix
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None of us have forgotten this is a competition, but this is also a fun imagineering game. I want to win just as much as you do, I am competitive as all get out, but this is a place to grow and be creative and try new things.
This season is about being a little bit out there. SYWTBAI is usually a little less focused on realism than other competitions normally, and with this being how the season was introduced I thought that pushing that envelope a bit further was the point.
Plus, I will admit I maybe phrased things a bit off. The examples you show feel more like Easter eggs, like how Disneyland put major characters in its a small world. The ride is not an IP ride, not by a long shot, but they are there as little things that don't detract from the originality. I think that is fine, but it is just a little extra magic. Not telling the story, just joining you on for the ride. That is what I was going for more when I said "No IP", I just wanted IP as just added flavor instead of a focus.
This season is about being a little bit out there. SYWTBAI is usually a little less focused on realism than other competitions normally, and with this being how the season was introduced I thought that pushing that envelope a bit further was the point.
Plus, I will admit I maybe phrased things a bit off. The examples you show feel more like Easter eggs, like how Disneyland put major characters in its a small world. The ride is not an IP ride, not by a long shot, but they are there as little things that don't detract from the originality. I think that is fine, but it is just a little extra magic. Not telling the story, just joining you on for the ride. That is what I was going for more when I said "No IP", I just wanted IP as just added flavor instead of a focus.
Pi on my Cake
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Sidenote from the IP discussion, this might be a cool thing to integrate. Especially since if our course is elevate the balls are more likely to go farther from mis-hits. Biodegradable golf balls
Pi on my Cake
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Also, if we do a top level or third section or whatever that is space themed, it might be cool to do it inside as a blacklight mini-golf area. Give a break from the sun towards the end of the course where people are their hottest and most tired. Plus, lets us do some cool space effects.
montydysquith-navarro
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Okay, so it looks like we've got a solid plan going! Following @AceAstro's suggestion for the division of the course, we have:
- Level 1 (Holes 1-6): The Museum of Flight (Very Soaring: Fantastic Flight)- tackles the history of aviation and spaceflight/humanity's relationship with the sky
- Transition ideas: Board a historical airplane/hot air balloon and "soar" to the next level
- Level 2 (Holes 7-12): Worlds of Air and Light - shows different "kingdoms"/areas related to the sky, ranging from the mythological to the natural, and to the fantastic. This will probably be the most IP-driven section of the course
- Transition idea: repurposing Disneyland Paris' Columbiad Cannon as a jump-off point to Level 3
- Level 3 (Holes 13-18): Space - a blacklight room, possibly filled with fiber-optic stars (think Neverland in DL's Peter Pan's Flight post-2015 refurb) to give the illusion that the guests are putting on the surface of the moon and other planets.
Pi on my Cake
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That sounds like a good set up to me. I can take whatever we need, I'd prefer either Level 2 or 3 though.
montydysquith-navarro
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Level 01 is my idea, so I'll take that.
@AceAstro, would you mind giving us a deadline (that works across all 5 timezones!) for submission so you have time to compile our output?
By the way, am I right in assuming that both Level 1 and Level 2 are outdoor courses? Or are we putting every section indoors?
@AceAstro, would you mind giving us a deadline (that works across all 5 timezones!) for submission so you have time to compile our output?
By the way, am I right in assuming that both Level 1 and Level 2 are outdoor courses? Or are we putting every section indoors?