Team Cap: SYWTBAI Season 14, Project Five Open Brainstorming

[Pi on my Cake]

Would it be possible to try, like, a boat EMV? The one thing all these places have in common is that they feature rivers/seas/bodies of water very prominently.


---TrevorA

Like an EMV on a boat? I like it

 

[CookieMouse]

Maybe the volcano could act as the whale from storybook leading us into the world of myths.

 

[CookieMouse]

I could also submit this idea in Planet coaster. Once you get it a little more planned out I can figure out when I can get it done.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

What if we set this in modern times. Like, the set up is that we are in a tour through a ruined temple. Start off as a regular EMV. Turns out we accidentally stumbled into Olympus. Then we awaken Jupiter who says something along the lines of "you foolish mortals have no right to be here on sacred grounds! Begone!" We have a quick section as the vehicle escapes the temple collapsing around us. We run into Neptune and our vehicle attaches to a raft. Neptune casts us off into a river down a waterfall. We pass by a lot of sea monsters in a small rapids section. We enter into the Underworld through a creepy cavern and meet Pluto (not the dog) who says something like "there's no escaping this place!" But then we use some artifact we found earlier (maybe during a preshow) and escape back to safety.

Something along those lines?

It would combine an EMV, a flume, and some rapids all in one ride.

 

[TrevorA]

What if we set this in modern times. Like, the set up is that we are in a tour through a ruined temple. Start off as a regular EMV. Turns out we accidentally stumbled into Olympus. Then we awaken Jupiter who says something along the lines of "you foolish mortals have no right to be here on sacred grounds! Begone!" We have a quick section as the vehicle escapes the temple collapsing around us. We run into Neptune and our vehicle attaches to a raft. Neptune casts us off into a river down a waterfall. We pass by a lot of sea monsters in a small rapids section. We enter into the Underworld through a creepy cavern and meet Pluto (not the dog) who says something like "there's no escaping this place!" But then we use some artifact we found earlier (maybe during a preshow) and escape back to safety.

Something along those lines?

It would combine an EMV, a flume, and some rapids all in one ride.

There's some (possibly unavoidable) similarities to Maelstrom, but overall this is a really strong start for us!

So, we ascend to Olympus, fall into the sea, enter the Underworld through a cavern, and finally arrive at Rome or something?


---TrevorA

 

[kmbmw777]

What if we set this in modern times. Like, the set up is that we are in a tour through a ruined temple. Start off as a regular EMV. Turns out we accidentally stumbled into Olympus. Then we awaken Jupiter who says something along the lines of "you foolish mortals have no right to be here on sacred grounds! Begone!" We have a quick section as the vehicle escapes the temple collapsing around us. We run into Neptune and our vehicle attaches to a raft. Neptune casts us off into a river down a waterfall. We pass by a lot of sea monsters in a small rapids section. We enter into the Underworld through a creepy cavern and meet Pluto (not the dog) who says something like "there's no escaping this place!" But then we use some artifact we found earlier (maybe during a preshow) and escape back to safety.

Something along those lines?

It would combine an EMV, a flume, and some rapids all in one ride.

I like it. It includes the Big 3. However, I think we should try to also inclide Mars somehow as he was very significant to the Romans. Perhaps is legion is attacking the underworld or someyhimg?

 

[TrevorA]

I like it. It includes the Big 3. However, I think we should try to also inclide Mars somehow as he was very significant to the Romans. Perhaps is legion is attacking the underworld or someyhimg?

All the main pantheon of gods have like a little senate on Olympus so we shouldn't have trouble working a ton of characters into this thing!


---TrevorA

 

[kmbmw777]

All the main pantheon of gods have like a little senate on Olympus so we shouldn't have trouble working a ton of character in this thing!


---TrevorA

That sounds good. It sounds like the parts are
Queue
Temple
Olympus
Neptune
Underworld
Rome


Then TGFF wants to do a planet coaster and I would be happy to make a website.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

I think we have a good start here! Like @TrevorA said, we need to be careful to avoid too many comparisons to the other world showcase boat rides. But other than that this feels like a solid direction for us to go!

 

[kmbmw777]

I think we have a good start here! Like @TrevorA said, we need to be careful to avoid too many comparisons to the other world showcase boat rides. But other than that this feels like a solid direction for us to go!

I think the fact that our vehicles are amphibious and that this ride is more thrill oriented should separate our attraction fro, the others.

 

[TrevorA]

I think we have a good start here! Like @TrevorA said, we need to be careful to avoid too many comparisons to the other world showcase boat rides. But other than that this feels like a solid direction for us to go!

The main thing to keep in mind from a story perspective is that none of the gods are good/evil in a Judeo-Christian sense, and the Underworld is not like hell (it's just the afterlife). They're democratic deities, reflecting the democratic society from which they were born. Personality-wise, they're basically human.

Knowing that will separate us from repeating, for instance, the troll storyline from the old Norway ride.

Additionally I love that we're adding like a time-travel element to this thing, like the way Pirates functions in California.


---TrevorA

 

[kmbmw777]

The main thing to keep in mind from a story perspective is that none of the gods are good/evil in a Judeo-Christian sense, and the Underworld is not like hell (it's just the afterlife). They're democratic deities, reflecting the democratic society from which they were born. Personality-wise, they're basically human.

Knowing that will separate us from repeating, for instance, the troll storyline from the old Norway ride.

Additionally I love that we're adding like a time-travel element to this thing, like the way Pirates functions in California.


---TrevorA

Tartarus versus Elysium.
And I agree that keeping to the culture is the most important part

 

[CookieMouse]

I was thinking of the ride being outdoor and indoor. The outdoor parts would be the temple crumbling and the waterfall, while the indoor parts would be the underworld and the temple.

 

[TrevorA]

Some more ideas:

- the premise of the attraction could be that we are pulled to Olympus from the temple by the gods because they have destined for us to help the Trojans find Italy and found Rome in the wake of the Trojan War

- Juno is angry at the Trojans because of events in the Trojan war, she could be a force that causes us trouble throughout the ride

- It seems like an elegant fit for the ascent to Mount Olympus to also be a lift hill for the ride vehicles if we're thinking of doing what @Pionmycake said and constructing an EMV flume

- As an extension of the last bullet point, our big drop could be the transition into the second part of the ride, splashing down from Olympus into the Mediterranean to meet Neptune.

- While we're in the sea searching for Italy, we could have a run-in with a famous monster: the six-headed Scylla who lurks across an impossibly narrow strait from the whirpool Charibdis. If a ship sails too far from Charibdis, they get eaten by Scylla; if it sails too far from the monster, it gets broken up in the whirlpool. Good opportunities for some thrills here.

- The reason that heroes travel to the Underworld while they're still alive is typically because they need to get information from someone. I thought we could have a Trojan guide of some kind, like the host we had to include in our Haunted Mansion projects, and at some point during the ride the guide dies and we have to travel to Dis, the Underworld, to get the rest of our directions from him. It's pretty dark and weird, but I'm sorta into it. If Mr. Toad's Wild Ride can take us to Hell...

What y'all think? Feel free to rip these ideas to pieces


---TrevorA

 

[CookieMouse]

Just a thought here, but there's a little too many water rides in Epcot to me. Maybe we could turn this into a dark ride roller coaster with a flume segment so we could still have neptune?

 

[TrevorA]

Just a thought here, but there's a little too many water rides in Epcot to me. Maybe we could turn this into a dark ride roller coaster with a flume segment so we could still have neptune?

There's three, I think? Mexico, Frozen, and Living with the Land? I don't know if it's necessarily a problem; Magic Kingdom has five water rides and Disneyland has like nine. But your opinion counts just as much as anyone's here!

What does everyone else think about the amount of water rides in Epcot? Should we consider a ride type switch?


---TrevorA

 

[MANEATINGWREATH]

*MEW posted in the main thread that we can't use works of classic literature, but the majority of famous myths and folklore are collected in works which are now regarded as classic literature. @MANEATINGWREATH or @TheOriginalTiki , are we allowed to take inspiration from works like The Aeneid, The Metamorphoses, History of the Kings of Britain, or Morte d'Arthur? These stories don't exist outside of the literature, so if we can't use the texts we're kind of outta luck.

As long as it's not something like a novel or book focused on one set storyline or character, you'd be fine. A collection of tales or myths (i.e. The Canterbury Tales) is considered a non-IP as it is folklore.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

There's three, I think? Mexico, Frozen, and Living with the Land? I don't know if it's necessarily a problem; Magic Kingdom has five water rides and Disneyland has like nine. But your opinion counts just as much as anyone's here!

What does everyone else think about the amount of water rides in Epcot? Should we consider a ride type switch?


---TrevorA

I honestly agree with @ThatGuyFromFlorida about the boat rides being a tough choice for epcot. Yeah, Magic Kingdom has more boat rides, but magic kingdom also had at least twice as many attractions.

But I think if we r only half boat ride it's ok because a boat does just feel kinda right for Roman Mythology. Wether it's half coaster/hal flume or half EMV/half boat.

And as far as story, I'll leave that to the three of you to decide. Whatever our plot, we need to keep it simple though. If you can't describe pretty much the whole story in two sentences, it might be too complex for a theme park ride. Even with a narrator.

 

[kmbmw777]

Here's just an idea for the plot (which is mostly borrowed from @TrevorA and @Pionmycake


-We are exploring an ancient temple.
-Mars pulls us from the temple to Mt. Olympus to help the hero Aeneas found Rome.
-Other gods (Juno, Minerva, Neptune, Mercury, and Vulcan) are conspiring to stop us, because they dislike Troy.
-Plummet down to a river, where Neptune, who is angry at us, sends us astray to Pompeii, but not before an exciting adventure through the Sea of Monsters.
-Vulcan erupts the volcano in Pompeii, and our cart gets wheels.
-Realm of Pluto massive drop, but Juno makes us land in Tarturus (that's a thing in Roman right). We escape after a room of twists and turns to the real world. (Essentially we died, and cheated death)
-Mars leads an army of gods and mortal to combat Juno's army. Essentially Trojan War 2.0
-We are caught in the middle of the epic battle.
-Jupiter interrupts battle, sends us back to modern times.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Here's just an idea for the plot (which is mostly borrowed from @TrevorA and @Pionmycake


-We are exploring an ancient temple.
-Mars pulls us from the temple to Mt. Olympus to help the hero Aeneas found Rome.
-Other gods (Juno, Minerva, Neptune, Mercury, and Vulcan) are conspiring to stop us, because they dislike Troy.
-Plummet down to a river, where Neptune, who is angry at us, sends us astray to Pompeii, but not before an exciting adventure through the Sea of Monsters.
-Vulcan erupts the volcano in Pompeii, and our cart gets wheels.
-Realm of Pluto massive drop, but Juno makes us land in Tarturus (that's a thing in Roman right). We escape after a room of twists and turns to the real world. (Essentially we died, and cheated death)
-Mars leads an army of gods and mortal to combat Juno's army. Essentially Trojan War 2.0
-We are caught in the middle of the epic battle.
-Jupiter interrupts battle, sends us back to modern times.

I like this. I think its a great story and flow. BUT it also seems too complex and more than we could realistically achieve without a lot of screens.

Maybe we keep it simple. Our group finds an artifact in the ruins at the start. Jupiter takes us up to olympus and tells us we must return the artifact to Rome for whatever reason. But as we bounce around on our way there, all the gods want it and try to attack us to get it. Neptune send us into water so his sea monsters can try to get it. Pluto draws us into the Underworld. Mars attacks us in the streets of rome. And then we return the artifact to rome saving the day. Jupiter and Juno thank us before we exit.

That way, everyone we meet has one motivation. They all want the McGuffin. We don't need to worry about time travel or educating detailed history mid-thrill ride.

Its just intro, lift hill through olympus, Neptune scene, Pluto scene, Mars scene, End.

If we r doing a thrill ride, the plot needs to be very simple.

Dinosaur: we go back in time to find an Iguanadon

Test Track: Test a car you designed on a digital track

Space Mountain: Fly through Space

Tower of Terror: A haunted elevator drops you into the twilight zone

Our Roman ride: Try to return an artifact to Rome as other gods try to stop you cuz they want it.