Tables in Wonderland Upcoming Events

cdunbar

Active Member
...because I was already on the way to the airport to leave for the trip which I told Nicole no less than twice on the phone as she got my cc # and our party details including ages of my children. Nothing was said about dress other than casual and the event was referred to as a lot of fun for us to look forward to. ((Seriously. You're going to Disney World where you can leave your cares behind and be a kid again. Someone tells you you will have "a lot of fun to look forward to". Where in that does it mean you need to dress up a bit or that kids aren't usually included in that particular "fun"?)) Nothing was said about children other than "I'm sure they'll enjoy it" or something to that meaning. No, I didn't get the email that specified the dress because I don't waste time while on vacation breaking out my laptop. I refuse to give another dime for the internet service that shouldn't be an extra charge to begin with. I utilize my iPhone several times a day to check for anything pertinent in my inbox and get rid of the junk. I don't look at any other folder besides the inbox. No spam. My spam folder is set to delete anything that goes into it by default as soon as it gets there. Nothing is saved. But I digress.

When I booked Jiko and the Yachtsman for this trip I was told what the dress requirements were. In 2008 Lunch w/an Imagineer had requirements and suggestions. In the past when I've booked 10 or more different dining reservations/events during a single phone conversation I was read the laundry list of requirements & suggestions for each reservation even tho it was all but verbatim for the most part. When I've booked tours in the past I've been given the run-down of what to expect, suggestions, and rules/requirements. Golf & fishing they're pretty darned specific about what you need/don't need and can/cannot do. Not once was there ever a need to ask. Not once did I need to rely on an email for this info. Not once. Heck, I'd say upwards of 80% of the time a CM tells me they will send me an email confirmation I never receive it. In this broad range of things I've booked and enjoyed at WDW I have never had the experience I did w/TiW. Never has there been a lack of clarity especially over the phone. It's simple as that.

I bet I've read that pretty advertisement that was posted for this event a dozen times. I've looked and looked and cannot for the life of me see what in that page suggests proper attire. There's absolutely nothing there about children. If you aren't clear about things it's just not right to turn around and point these things out as if someone should've known. Well, okay, maybe I should knock the dust off my trusty crystal ball from time to time but still...what if I didn't have one???? :lol:

We're having a Superbowl party at my house Sunday. Our guests that we invited have been given the rundown of what to expect and what to bring for those who asked. We've been clear as a bell with everyone. I didn't send out an email or invitations or anything. We called everyone or spoke to them in person. But, ya know, if someone shows up and maybe has already eaten dinner or **gasp** in a Colts jersey (haha..just kiddin..:lol:) that person can rest assured that I won't treat them any differently than the person who arrived in a Saints jersey with a yummy king cake to share. I'll still do everything in my power to make sure that each of my guests know how wonderful it is that they are spending time with us and that they feel right at home. When hosting an event that's a fundamental responsibility of the host or hostess. I don't think a few pointers over the phone is that much to ask especially when you've made it clear twice that further communication will most likely be limited from that point forward. And ya know, if someone showed up to something I was hosting not prepared I would look to myself first for where the error in communication might have occurred because when inviting guests these are my responsibilities. I most certainly would never in a million years do anything to risk making an uncomfortable guest feel worse. I may not have been raised with a whole lot of elaborate experiences but I did learn a thing or two about hospitality, empathy, and how to treat other people. It ain't rocket-science. Even us "plain ol' average folk" have figured out how to be gracious. :hammer:

I'm glad lots of guests enjoyed the TiW event and have had great experiences with them in the past. That's wonderful. Those people will keep the TiW events thriving. That's not a bad thing. But, I assure you, TiW won't see me again at one of their events. No way. TiW is nothing more than a discount program that I use strictly for money-saving purposes. That's all there is to it. There's plenty of other fantastic dining experiences both upscale and casual to be had at WDW and beyond where I can relax, feel welcome, and enjoy a delicious meal with outstanding hospitality.

I wonder if people who don't have computers or rely on email are just outta luck in this day & age. What's so hard about talking to each other? :shrug:
Sweetpee, in the part I bolded, and well in all honesty all the parts :lol:, you hit the nail on the head! YOU told HER what you needed out of her right then, when someone provides a service and the one who is paying for that service explains the situation they are in you do your best to help that customer. Ok perhaps you should of have asked what the dress code was, BUT that's something that you wouldn't do if you were on vacation. You would just assume that a pair of jeans/nice shorts and a nice shirt would have been appropriate, which is what is appropriate for pretty much every restaurant in WDW except for V&A! No one EVER, deserves to me treated as less of a person just because they don't have the proper attire on. :wave:
 

wdwwdeagle

Member
Snappy Casual. Well, let's see...that could mean to dress up yer bestist overalls that don't got no holes in 'em with a colorful flannel shirt. And maybe ya oughtta take a bath *and* put on some stink-purty. Oooor, a really loud Hawaiian shirt with some khakis. An old-school pastel seersucker pants-suit? Oh Oh! I got it! A sport coat with a vibrant Mickey Mouse tie! Yeah! That's snappy. Or just snap your fingers a lot. Who can argue with a more literal translation than that?

too funny!
 

Phonedave

Well-Known Member
This is what it says on the V & A page from Dining reservations on disneyworld.com
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  • Specialty celebration cakes are available for an additional charge and should be ordered 48 hours in advance by calling (407) 827-2253.
  • This experience takes place in a non-smoking environment.
  • Guests ages 10 and above are invited to dine at this establishment.
  • This location can accommodate most special dietary needs. Advance notice may be required and cancellation fees may apply. Please indicate any special dietary need at time of reservation booking. Learn more about how we can help accommodate special dietary needs.
  • A cancellation policy applies and may result in charges if you cancel with insufficient notice. Specific policies related to this facility will be detailed at time of reservation booking.
  • Dinner jacket is required for gentlemen (tie optional) and dress or pants ensemble for ladies. Reservations required. Plan for 2 to 2.5 hours dining time.
  • To make reservations, book online or call (407) WDW-DVNA or 407-939-3862 up to 180 days prior to your visit.
  • Price range based on average Guest check, not including alcohol, tax and tip.

OK, that would be my definition of casual evening attire as well.

Jacket - yes
Tie - optional
Personally I would wear a tie anyway. I am of the opinion that if your shirts' collar is the correct size, a tie is not bothersome at all.

A turtleneck is OK as well, but I don't like wearing them, with all that fabric up around my neck.

However, I could see some people thinking casual evening attire is slacks, shirt, and tie - but no jacket.

At least V&A spells it out for you.

-dave
 

ClemsonTigger

Naturally Grumpy
OK, that would be my definition of casual evening attire as well.

Jacket - yes
Tie - optional
Personally I would wear a tie anyway. I am of the opinion that if your shirts' collar is the correct size, a tie is not bothersome at all.

A turtleneck is OK as well, but I don't like wearing them, with all that fabric up around my neck.

However, I could see some people thinking casual evening attire is slacks, shirt, and tie - but no jacket.

At least V&A spells it out for you.

-dave


And most do wear ties (the men anyway...)
 

cdunbar

Active Member
Sweetpee...
I'm so sorry about what happened to you and your family.

I know it's a thread drift, but I just wanted to say that I agree 1 billion percent with what you said above (quote). As with anything else with children, you take small steps, allowing them to learn how the world works in increments. Thus, they are able to handle themselves appropriately. I applaud your approach, and agree that children who are exposed to the world in appropriate ways both reap the benefits, and eventually become productive citizens.
I can't believe I didn't see this before, sorry to quote such an old post, but I just wanted to say to both of you eagle and sweetpee that my parents were a strong believer in this. They would have business dinners, and parties and I would tag along because like you they thought I would never learn the life skills I needed to deal with such things, unless they actually put me in that enviorment and showed me how it was done, so I hope your children get as much out of it as I did....:wave:
 

Phonedave

Well-Known Member
ummm - folks? Google the term "Dinner Jacket" - it's NOT a sport coat:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQsAQwAA

No gripe with V&As definition - ARE THEY STICKING TO IT? If no, then they need to work on the REAL requirements - and post them.

I have never seen anyone in there with a Dinner Jacket - only Suit Coats or Sport Coats.

I don't even know anyone who owns a dinner jacket. I do own a tuxedo, so I guess I could go one notch higher and go black tie, but I don't want to drag a tux to WDW. But then my tuxedo coat does not have tails, so I can't go full formal (I could not justify buying one with tails for the few times I might use it)

My guess is the person who wrote that description does not know what a dinner jacket is, and just used the term.

-dave
 

wdwwdeagle

Member
Coming to this party a little late, but I knew I had seen detailed dress code guidelines somewhere before, and I've finally found them in my confirmation email for May.

This one is from the confirmation for the California Grill:

Dress Code Guidelines:
Men: Khakis, slacks, jeans, dress shorts, collared shirts. Sport coats are optional.
Ladies: Capris, skirts, dresses, jeans, dress shorts.
NOT permitted in dining room: Tank tops, swimwear, hats for gentleman, cut offs or torn clothing. While t-shirts are now allowed, the policy remains that t-shirts with offensive language and/or graphics are NOT acceptable.

That seems pretty detailed to me (not as detailed as the horse track, but pretty specific). I do wish they did not allow t-shirts and jeans though. But, whatever.

I'm going to look for the one from V&A and will post that if I can find it.
 

shipley731

Well-Known Member
Coming to this party a little late, but I knew I had seen detailed dress code guidelines somewhere before, and I've finally found them in my confirmation email for May.

This one is from the confirmation for the California Grill:

Dress Code Guidelines:
Men: Khakis, slacks, jeans, dress shorts, collared shirts. Sport coats are optional.
Ladies: Capris, skirts, dresses, jeans, dress shorts.
NOT permitted in dining room: Tank tops, swimwear, hats for gentleman, cut offs or torn clothing. While t-shirts are now allowed, the policy remains that t-shirts with offensive language and/or graphics are NOT acceptable.

That seems pretty detailed to me (not as detailed as the horse track, but pretty specific). I do wish they did not allow t-shirts and jeans though. But, whatever.

I'm going to look for the one from V&A and will post that if I can find it.

That's the standard blurb they send out for a lot of the nicer sit down resturants - Citrico's, Cali Grill, Nacrousse's, Flying Fish, Artist Point, etc. I got the same thing for Bistro de Paris.
 

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