SWWs all about the merchandise?

Master Yoda

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Star Wars Weekends needs a killer Star Wars themed firework show. Job done.

The celebs are always going to be a problem. A lot of the big names don't seem interested in being associated with SW anymore. Not sure why, but seems that is how it is.
They seem to get interested when the price is right. That price of course tends to be rather insane. If I remember correctly Mark Hamill was charging $125 for an autograph a C5.
 

wdwfan4ver

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The celebs are always going to be a problem. A lot of the big names don't seem interested in being associated with SW anymore. Not sure why, but seems that is how it is.

The late Alec Guinness didn't like the fact modern audiences only thought of him for being Obi-Wan Kenobi. It is possible that a lot of big names from Star Wars didn't just don't want to be known for Star Wars only either.
 

Scar

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The late Alec Guinness didn't like the fact modern audiences only thought of him for being Obi-Wan Kenobi. It is possible that a lot of big names from Star Wars didn't just don't want to be known for Star Wars only either.

Really? I don't recall any stories of Alec Guiness throwing away his royalty checks each year. :animwink:

That said, celebrity conventions really only have people who are no longer working celebrities. Is that bad? Not really. Why not let the voice of Watto get some fame if Natalie Portman is busy? Why would Natalie Portman show up? She doesn't need to do so.
 

zooey

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I honestly think that you can't take Hyperspace Hoopla too seriously. It's meant to be fun. It's not canon, or something. Think of the Robot Chicken Star Wars specials. Star Wars is so culturally pervasive that it gets parodied. I don't see why it can't exist in that way as well as the more serious, true to itself way that it was in the beginning, the whole modern myth idea. If any fan looks at Hyperspace Hoopla and says that they "ruined" Star Wars, then they must not have been paying attention to the franchise for the past 20 years. It's been "ruined" many times over with a whole bunch of nonsense, including the prequels, Family Guy, comic books, novels, and now, apparently, Star Wars Weekends.
You just gotta lighten up a bit.
 

HDS

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What I find funny is the "Hard Core" fans 'n about the Hoopla when if you have ever been to DragonCon you will see people from the 501st dressed as Darth Vader pimp and pimp Stormtroopers, Elvis Trooper etc.. I call BS hacking on the Hoopla.
 

Ignohippo

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I'm a hard core SW fan and, for me, Hyperspace Hoopla is the best part. If anything, I wish they'd add "Indiana Jones and the Lost Jedi Temple" during SWW as well.

The stage is a good idea but terrible execution. The idea that the parade only travels half of its prior route is absolutely insane. And from my experience last year, there weren't very many good places to view the stage.

The merch tent is the same way. Love the size, but samey merchandise and it's WAY too far out of the way. It seems ridiculous to me that they don't line Sunset Blvd. with characters. As it is now, Darth's Mall is about as far from the rest of the SW related activities as it could possibly be.

And, as long as I'm on a soapbox, can't they at least add a couple new characters every year? The character offerings have become really, really stale as well. (oh yeah, this is Disney who's too cheap to even add more of their own characters to the parks)

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a bit if SWW were a hard ticket event if the offerings were better. "Last Ticket To Endor" would be a good blueprint as long as the price weren't quite as high.
 

WDW1974

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I'm surprised Kevin (seems to) give the appearance of "Darth's Maul" a pass. I went over there out of curiosity (I have no interest in Star Wars merchandise), and it was abundantly clear that the building is very temporary. It reminds me of something we had in Indy in which they sold merchandise for the Super Bowl.

That stuck out to me more than anything else. I certainly wouldn't want Disney to go the Epcot route and close an attraction to have a more permanent location, and I can sort of understand the use of a temporary location because it only runs a few weekends, but there must be a better answer.

Overall, I thought the event was fun--albeit packed. I wish there were more to the parade/motorcade (and it ran on the full route) and more in general to dilute the crowds (many lines for characters looked like they exceeded an hour each). The seminars were really fun and interesting, with plenty of appeal to non-fans as well as fans. Overall, it was a good time, but for the crowds it draws there could definitely be more to it.

Hyperspace Hoopla was a lot of fun and the highlight of the festivities for us (we had only seen it once prior at the Jedi stage--it was definitely better in front of the BAH), but I'm curious as to how 'serious' Star Wars fans perceive it. Does seeing C-3PO and Chewbacca doing bother any Star Wars fans? Some Disney fans were up in arms over Modern Family...I'd assume Star Wars fans are similar with their characters.

I don't have much to say ... I do agree the temporary tent looks like what it is ... and it is tacky.

What I want to know is why Disney fanbois had issues with Modern Family (the best written comedy on network TV that had a pheonomenal season finale tonight)? Been out of the country for over a month and missed that deal.
 

WDW1974

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It does seem they have have phased out background characters from the real movies for voice talent from the Clone Wars cartoon.

I don't have a clue what the Clone Wars are, and I find it hard to believe they are wildly popular. They certainly didn't touch the core of the public consciousness the way the first trilogy did ... and I am not trying to take away from the work of any of the voice talents. Just that I see the same names year after year and think 'no one in the world notices these people when they drop into their local Starbucks or McD's' ... but a free trip to WDW for them and their families, usually with a stay at the BW for a week and all meals and incidentals plus the small (by industry standards) appearance fees must be enough to get them to O-Town when the six-month summer is starting.

They have to keep guests from lining up the night before for Chewbacca and R2D2...a chance for a free meeting with an actual celebrity would overwhelm WDW's infrastructure worse than New Years Eve.

I think that's a very weak excuse. The first few years of Disney-MGM they had a 'Celebrity of the Day' program and would often feature very well-known folks from the world of TV or film and they never had any issues ... and Super Soap Weekends always showcased the top ABC stars (not the 20-something kids on their first jobs who couldn't act their way out of a bag).

Again, just don't see it as an issue.

Haven't been this year (or even last year IIRC), but I also found the stores comparable to a pop-up Halloween store. Cheesy, but doesn't stop the Disney/Star Wars fanbois from lining up at 6:00 am to get those limited edition pins!

A good friend of mine postulates that the "Star Wars Weekend" may be the single most important reason Harry Potter ended up with Universal rather than Disney. The blatant cash-ins, the misuse of the characters in the Hoopla--seems to be the sort of thing JK Rowling was scared would happen to her creations. Of course, George Lucas is too busy swimming in a pool of $100s ala Scrooge McDuck and doing bad things to my childhood to care.

Well, it may be possible. Look, Roy Disney was quite unhappy with what Disney (under Eisner's final years) was doing with the Disney characters. I remember hearing him talk about the crappy plush The Disney Store was selling where you had Mickeys and Minnies in all kind of 'garish' (his term) color schemes ... he also didn't like it when MMC ears started appearing in all sorts of different colors when for decades they were only available in the traditional black. ... Wonder what he'd think of those hiddeous vinyls.

But I think Rowling is quite happy with how her decision turned out. And, hey, Disney got the rights to Avatar so they did just as well, right?:rolleyes:
 

WDW1974

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If, as another poster put it, George Lucas doesn't care what goes because he's busy rolling around in $100 bills, I wonder what is holding up more permanent Star Wars offerings. Muppets, Pixar, and Lucas/Star Wars 'mini-lands' would work great in the Studios, I think. In the past it has been suggested that Star Tours 2 was held up for so long because of Lucas. Him wanting a lot of creative control over that (and slowing it up in the process) seems tough to reconcile with the 'anything goes' feel of Star Wars Weekends. Unless the distinction is that what happens at Star Wars Weekends isn't seen as a 'big deal' by Lucas because it's temporary. :shrug:

I would postulate that the reason there aren't more Star Wars offerings in the parks has little to do with George Lucas and much to do with the Disney P&R 'braintrust'.

ST 2.0 was first seriously talked about around 1999 when the new films began to roll out ... but Lucas and Disney had a toxic relationship by that point. I don't believe Lucas really slowed much of anything down. ... It just sorta sat as a dormant idea for years before they got serious again.

I am not a SW fan by any stretch (I'd prefer anything Star Trek myself), but I'd love to see more attractions or a mini-area set up (especially in TPFKaTD-MGMS). Just doesn't appear to be in the stars.
 

AEfx

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Star Wars Weekends needs a killer Star Wars themed firework show. Job done.

The celebs are always going to be a problem. A lot of the big names don't seem interested in being associated with SW anymore. Not sure why, but seems that is how it is.

First, yes, I can't think of a better Fireworks theme, and also give a reason to visit the end of the day at a SWW.

As to the celebrities, I don't think it's interest so much as $. I believe they pay almost nothing for appearances, and while I don't think they are not interested in being associated with it, but just Disney doesn't give much incentive to sit out in a tent in the heat to sign various articles for tired/hot/bored guests. The only person who seems to disdain SW is Harrison Ford, which is silly since he really isn't Mr. Big Movie Star anymore himself.

Carrie Fisher's recent one-woman show focused quite a bit on Star Wars, Mark Hamill seems fine talking about it - and even people like Kenny Baker and especially Anthony Daniels (who was heavily involved in ST2) would probably, but if they only offer a few thousand bucks and a (presumably) free trip for you and your family, the appeal isn't there for many.

My guess is - they do it on the cheap, so that's why such Z-listers end up there. Heck, I wouldn't be awfully surprised if some day we end up with an Autograph Line from "someone who was alive in 1977 and bought a ticket to see Star Wars in it's first theatrical run!" they seem to be getting so desperate.
 

AEfx

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What I find funny is the "Hard Core" fans 'n about the Hoopla when if you have ever been to DragonCon you will see people from the 501st dressed as Darth Vader pimp and pimp Stormtroopers, Elvis Trooper etc.. I call BS hacking on the Hoopla.

The reason it's surprising is because Lucasfilm is very protective of these characters, and you are talking about unofficial fan organizations and regular guests who come in costume vs. an officially licensed show.

I've mentioned briefly before that I had interactions with Lucasfilm/LucasArts licensing department over a project, and now that it's defunct I'll say what - Star Wars Galaxies, the MMO (lasted 9 years, quite a trip). And the amount of control they exert is unreal - it was only the last year or two the game was up that they finally let go of some really restrictive policies. Because of knowing how they deal with things and how seriously they (used) to take it, when I saw break dancing Chewie and Travolta-impersonating Vader live on stage officially licensed, I about died of shock.

I don't have any big problem with it - but I'd love a much more action/story oriented presentation, not an excuse to have a cheap "block party" for the kiddos bored because their parents dragged them through hours long merch lines all day and made them wait forever to stand in line to get an autograph of someone they have no idea who they are.
 

janoimagine

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The reason it's surprising is because Lucasfilm is very protective of these characters, and you are talking about unofficial fan organizations and regular guests who come in costume vs. an officially licensed show.

I've mentioned briefly before that I had interactions with Lucasfilm/LucasArts licensing department over a project, and now that it's defunct I'll say what - Star Wars Galaxies, the MMO (lasted 9 years, quite a trip). And the amount of control they exert is unreal - it was only the last year or two the game was up that they finally let go of some really restrictive policies. Because of knowing how they deal with things and how seriously they (used) to take it, when I saw break dancing Chewie and Travolta-impersonating Vader live on stage officially licensed, I about died of shock.

I don't have any big problem with it - but I'd love a much more action/story oriented presentation, not an excuse to have a cheap "block party" for the kiddos bored because their parents dragged them through hours long merch lines all day and made them wait forever to stand in line to get an autograph of someone they have no idea who they are.

Disney is no different with it's characters ... We did a Dodge Caravan spot several years ago where we used Mike and Sully from Monsters Inc. for the punchline and I could not believe the amount of Brand Managers those two characters came with. It was unreal.
 

The Empress Lilly

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I honestly think that you can't take Hyperspace Hoopla too seriously. It's meant to be fun. It's not canon, or something. Think of the Robot Chicken Star Wars specials. Star Wars is so culturally pervasive that it gets parodied. I don't see why it can't exist in that way as well as the more serious, true to itself way that it was in the beginning, the whole modern myth idea. If any fan looks at Hyperspace Hoopla and says that they "ruined" Star Wars, then they must not have been paying attention to the franchise for the past 20 years. It's been "ruined" many times over with a whole bunch of nonsense, including the prequels, Family Guy, comic books, novels, and now, apparently, Star Wars Weekends.
You just gotta lighten up a bit.
This! :wave:
 

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