'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

[ILoveWDW4ever]

Went too far for one side, not far enough for the other, as soon as he stepped into it he was doomed no matter what he did.

You can’t go far enough, that’s the point. Whatever you do, it’s not good enough. Disney has lost its way. Here’s hoping they find it, and fast.

 

[MisterPenguin]

What this tells me, just from looking at those profit/loss figures, is that Pixar has been a disaster ever since Lasseter left.

False.

You're looking at the budgets of the movies released directly to D+ during a worldwide pandemic and equating that (very falsely) with the kind of loss a film would have if released theatrically.

Those movies still got critical and audience acclaim, so, the quality of the films didn't change (except for Lightyear, and even then, its scores weren't horrible... just not good).

These films with "losses" also boosted Disney+, which was getting subscription money every month from over 150,000,000 subscribers.

The theatrical failure of one recent movie isn't indicative of the past three years because the context dramatically shifted.

But you knew that. You refer to it. And yet you spin this fantasy of a studio in panic mode. DAS had many years of theatrical losses in the past, and the studio didn't fold then.

And since the pandemic started in March, 2020, Pixar has lost $1,112,000,000? 1.1 Billion dollars. That's with a B.

False.

Again, that's not a real loss as if the film was released theatrically and bombed financially. The majority you point to weren't released theatrically and so, didn't bomb theatrically, because... they weren't widely released theatrically.

On their ledgers, they're counting income from over 150 million D+ subscribers toward the profit/loss of those movies (based on internal numbers of minutes watched). Not to mention PPV and merchandising.

Any losses that come from not recouping their budget will be written off as due to the pandemic. Just like when the parks weren't open, but still had maintenance and utility costs, that "loss" will be marked as a result of the pandemic and not because the parks somehow failed.

No wonder the company is in full panic-crisis mode, just fired their CEO the Board re-signed a few months ago, then rehired the only guy they had in their contacts, and yet is still heading into a dark winter of company-wide budget cuts and layoffs staff reductions.

You think that Disney Corporation is in panic mode because their films released during the pandemic had a "loss" just like almost every other film release by all other studios also had a loss? That's far fetched theorizing there, with no proof. Just about every article detailing the ouster of Chapek failed to mention this theory of yours. No one has credited Pixar as the Chapek flashpoint, until this schadenfreuden bout of yours.

In 10 hours from now, Disney's senior executives will slide into their Burbank offices after the Thanksgiving weekend. Can you even imagine how panicky and on edge all of them will be?

Yes, but not the peeps at Pixar as you imagine. In fact, they'll be tickled pink that their creatives aren't hamstrung by Chapek's finance department which was shuttling their theatrical works directly to D+.

Again, a failure on your part to come to this 'discussion' with actual facts.

Somehow, I'm quite content to watch it all from afar,

Yes. And the Schadenfreude is disgusting and the tale you tell is a bunch of falsehoods.


But again, I'm not typing this all up to convince you. It's for the sake of our dear readers to put what you have said in the proper context.

 

[Phroobar]

@Phroobar, just checking to see if he "checked back in with you" yet.

I blocked that troll a long time ago.

According to Box Office Mojo, only 81 people domestically per day per theater saw this movie during the Thanksgiving weekend. Who would have thought that soccer would keep so many people from seeing a Disney movie.

 

[DKampy]

The biggest mistake Disney made the last couple of years was putting Turning Red and Hokus pokus 2 on Disney plus rather than theatrica…I believe both would of made bank….movie theaters were already coming back at that point

 

[_caleb]

If it's all about just adding more content to Disney+, why is only a small percentage of 20th Century Fox's catalog available on the service?

Because they have a strategy. It’s not just about adding as much content as possible (Netflix’s approach), it’s about responding to audience behaviors (as indicated by streaming data). They will add 20CF content when it maximizes their bag-for-buck. Otherwise they wouldn’t have fresh content to push to D+ periodically to keep people subscribing.

 

[_caleb]

Again, that's not a real loss as if the film was released theatrically and bombed financially. The majority you point to weren't released theatrically and so, didn't bomb theatrically, because... they weren't widely released theatrically.

On their ledgers, they're counting income from over 150 million D+ subscribers toward the profit/loss of those movies (based on internal numbers of minutes watched). Not to mention PPV and merchandising.

This! People don’t go to movies like they used to. Things have changed and they aren’t going back to the way they were.

Disney knows this and is going all in on streaming. It still remains to be seen how well their approach is going to work, but they’ve already moved on from the old model.

Netflix’s new sequel to Knives Out was released in theaters for one week before it is available on Netflix. Why? Because if they’re making content anyway, why not offer it to anyone willing to pay $12 to see it on a big screen before selling it to your streaming subscribers?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

This! People don’t go to movies like they used to. Things have changed and they aren’t going back to the way they were.

Disney knows this and is going all in on streaming. It still remains to be seen how well their approach is going to work, but they’ve already moved on from the old model.

No. People still go to the movies for superheroes, dinosaurs, fighter pilots, and (hopefully) blue aliens. If there's room on that side of the ledger for Minions, there should be room for WDAS and Pixar.

"People don't go to the movies like they used to," fine, sure. But people do go to the movies.

 

[_caleb]

No. People still go to the movies for superheroes, dinosaurs, fighter pilots, and (hopefully) blue aliens. If there's room on that side of the ledger for Minions, there should be room for WDAS and Pixar.

"People don't go to the movies like they used to," fine, sure. But people do go to the movies.

Of course people still go to the movies. But the business has changed forever. Streaming makes more high-definition content available than could possibly be consumed. Ginormous TVs are more affordable than ever. Cinema chains are struggling (and have been for a long time): the smaller mom-and-pop theaters either went out of business or had to make expensive upgrades just to carry popular films. Ticket and concession prices are high. Major chains are filing bankruptcy. Fewer and fewer films are even being made for theatrical release, and few of those are as successful as the old days, and fewer still are blockbusters.

But yeah, Top Gun did well. But guess who shored that one up? Older people.

People don’t go to the movies like they used to.

 

[GimpYancIent]

The biggest mistake Disney made the last couple of years was putting Turning Red and Hokus pokus 2 on Disney plus rather than theatrica…I believe both would of made bank….movie theaters were already coming back at that point

Hokus Pokus 2 would definitely have made bank +.

 

[TP2000]

Again, a failure on your part to come to this 'discussion' with actual facts.

The facts were from the financial charts you posted yourself. Or are profit/loss statements now changed so radically that the red numbers are good and the black numbers are bad?

Otherwise, my cocktail napkin math seems to be pretty solid on those charts you posted here.

Yes. And the Schadenfreude is disgusting and the tale you tell is a bunch of falsehoods.

Again, if the industry media sources I've quoted are wrong, please cite how. Variety and the Wall Street Journal would appreciated the feedback, I'm sure.

And if the sales charts you posted here are not accurate, perhaps correct what you posted here?

But again, I'm not typing this all up to convince you. It's for the sake of our dear readers to put what you have said in the proper context.

I have far greater faith in the folks here than you do, apparently.

 

[TP2000]

But yeah, Top Gun did well. But guess who shored that one up? Older people.

When it gets deposited in to a studio's bank account, does the ticket money from a 50 year old make a different sound than the ticket money from a 20 year old?

People don’t go to the movies like they used to.

Those little yellow guys would beg to differ...

Minions Rise of Gru, Budget $80 Million = $370 Million US Box Office, 40,292,291 Tickets Sold
Lightyear, Budget $200 Million (Why?!?) = $118 Million US Box Office, 12,901,547 Tickets Sold

The Numbers - Top-Grossing Movies of 2022

Top-Grossing Movies of 2022

www.the-numbers.com

 

[TP2000]

This movie cost $180mm (estimated) to make..........Doing $11.9mm on the Thanksgiving weekend is DISASTROUS

It's not just disastrous, it's historically disastrous.

"Walt Disney Animation Studios' Strange World is shaping up to be one of the biggest bombs in the history of the studio's founding division...."

STRANGE WORLD Could Be A Historic Box Office Bomb For Disney After Opening Weekend Flop

Walt Disney Animation Studios' Strange World is shaping up to be a historic box office bomb for Disney and drawing comparisons to the 2002 flop Treasure Planet. Here are the latest box office figures.

toonado.com

 

[Disstevefan1]

See, Iger is right again

 

[MisterPenguin]

If it's all about just adding more content to Disney+, why is only a small percentage of 20th Century Fox's catalog available on the service?

Most of 20th Century stuff winds up on Hulu/Star. Hulu will be merged with D+ by sometime in 2024.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

I'm surprised they fired Bob Chapek so soon. He didn't get a chance to fudge the numbers on this turd before he left.

 

[ILoveWDW4ever]

False.

You're looking at the budgets of the movies released directly to D+ during a worldwide pandemic and equating that (very falsely) with the kind of loss a film would have if released theatrically.

Those movies still got critical and audience acclaim, so, the quality of the films didn't change (except for Lightyear, and even then, its scores weren't horrible... just not good).

These films with "losses" also boosted Disney+, which was getting subscription money every month from over 150,000,000 subscribers.

The theatrical failure of one recent movie isn't indicative of the past three years because the context dramatically shifted.

But you knew that. You refer to it. And yet you spin this fantasy of a studio in panic mode. DAS had many years of theatrical losses in the past, and the studio didn't fold then.



False.

Again, that's not a real loss as if the film was released theatrically and bombed financially. The majority you point to weren't released theatrically and so, didn't bomb theatrically, because... they weren't widely released theatrically.

On their ledgers, they're counting income from over 150 million D+ subscribers toward the profit/loss of those movies (based on internal numbers of minutes watched). Not to mention PPV and merchandising.

Any losses that come from not recouping their budget will be written off as due to the pandemic. Just like when the parks weren't open, but still had maintenance and utility costs, that "loss" will be marked as a result of the pandemic and not because the parks somehow failed.



You think that Disney Corporation is in panic mode because their films released during the pandemic had a "loss" just like almost every other film release by all other studios also had a loss? That's far fetched theorizing there, with no proof. Just about every article detailing the ouster of Chapek failed to mention this theory of yours. No one has credited Pixar as the Chapek flashpoint, until this schadenfreuden bout of yours.



Yes, but not the peeps at Pixar as you imagine. In fact, they'll be tickled pink that their creatives aren't hamstrung by Chapek's finance department which was shuttling their theatrical works directly to D+.

Again, a failure on your part to come to this 'discussion' with actual facts.



Yes. And the Schadenfreude is disgusting and the tale you tell is a bunch of falsehoods.


But again, I'm not typing this all up to convince you. It's for the sake of our dear readers to put what you have said in the proper context.

I recognize your posting style from a person I follow on Twitter! Are you @therealtruther????

 

[MisterPenguin]

I recognize your posting style from a person I follow on Twitter! Are you @therealtruther????

Nah, I post on Twitter maybe once every other month.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

False.

You're looking at the budgets of the movies released directly to D+ during a worldwide pandemic and equating that (very falsely) with the kind of loss a film would have if released theatrically.

Those movies still got critical and audience acclaim, so, the quality of the films didn't change (except for Lightyear, and even then, its scores weren't horrible... just not good).

These films with "losses" also boosted Disney+, which was getting subscription money every month from over 150,000,000 subscribers.

The theatrical failure of one recent movie isn't indicative of the past three years because the context dramatically shifted.

But you knew that. You refer to it. And yet you spin this fantasy of a studio in panic mode. DAS had many years of theatrical losses in the past, and the studio didn't fold then.



False.

Again, that's not a real loss as if the film was released theatrically and bombed financially. The majority you point to weren't released theatrically and so, didn't bomb theatrically, because... they weren't widely released theatrically.

On their ledgers, they're counting income from over 150 million D+ subscribers toward the profit/loss of those movies (based on internal numbers of minutes watched). Not to mention PPV and merchandising.

Any losses that come from not recouping their budget will be written off as due to the pandemic. Just like when the parks weren't open, but still had maintenance and utility costs, that "loss" will be marked as a result of the pandemic and not because the parks somehow failed.



You think that Disney Corporation is in panic mode because their films released during the pandemic had a "loss" just like almost every other film release by all other studios also had a loss? That's far fetched theorizing there, with no proof. Just about every article detailing the ouster of Chapek failed to mention this theory of yours. No one has credited Pixar as the Chapek flashpoint, until this schadenfreuden bout of yours.



Yes, but not the peeps at Pixar as you imagine. In fact, they'll be tickled pink that their creatives aren't hamstrung by Chapek's finance department which was shuttling their theatrical works directly to D+.

Again, a failure on your part to come to this 'discussion' with actual facts.



Yes. And the Schadenfreude is disgusting and the tale you tell is a bunch of falsehoods.


But again, I'm not typing this all up to convince you. It's for the sake of our dear readers to put what you have said in the proper context.

If you think Turning Red, Luca, and Soul would have done numbers at the box office, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[ILoveWDW4ever]

Nah, I post on Twitter maybe once every other month.

Darn, he’s one of my favorites.

 

[Joel]

The thing about Top Gun: Maverick is that it was very obviously the work of people intent on making a movie that was entertaining above all else.