Rumor Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath

[Skibum1970]

Buzz in Tomorrowland outside TSL, Nemo in The Seas and Dinoland of all places, Little Mermaid and B&tB shows still in DHS after NFL, etc. It's tradition to throw IP in multiple places

Well, Disney is currently on a remake/sequel kick.

I would move Buzz to DHS and build a Nemo coaster and rip Nemo out of EPCOT. Insert a 20,000 Leagues ride with a sub-styled (but on dry land) ride and a "Highways of Tomorrow" dark ride based on trackless tech. Replace Tomorrowland Speedway with a Wind In The Willows trackless ride and anchor the entrance in Fantasyland by Dumbo. Frozen gets ripped out of EPCOT and moved to either DHS or Fantasyland as a miniland with three rides. EPCOT starts getting rides like it used to have (updated Horizons, etc.). Theme would once again matter and the parks would feel like they had direction.

 

[danlb_2000]

I haven't logged on in a few days and I'm confused.... Did they officially announce it or something?

No, nothing official.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Anything can be a theme, Disney is a theme. Universals theme is movies, which is pretty much the same as a fully fleshed out Pixar Place.

Pixar is perfectly fine theme. It could easily work, you just don't seem to have the imagination to figure out how.

Theme is not common ownership or creation. Studio themes are self defeating, everything fits so nothing fits. Nothing ties the whole thing together except the explanation that it is a studio.

SMH. If you don't think Tron would fit in Tomorrowland, then you have zero credibility. Tron is the most-Tomorrowland-iest concept on the face of the earth and there's absolutely nothing about it that's more "futuristic" than Sugar Rush. You just can't see past the fact that it's blue and neon instead of rainbow colored.

Sugar Rush is not about a Candyland, it's about entering a digital video game world. The hero's defining characteristic is that she's a programming glitch. Wreck-it Ralph is a Disneyfied version of The Matrix.

Much of TRON's association with futurism relies on its aesthetic, but notions of the future potential of computers, The Grid and the singularity are also present in its narrative. Sugar Rush is not designed to evoke a futuristic image, it is a far more contemporary while Ralph himself is intended to specifically invoke the past. This is why people keep mentioning Hero's Duty for Tomorrowland, because its image is intended to reflect futurism.

As to entering the digital world, this does not presently exist in Wreck It Ralph. You are borrowing that construct from TRON to graft its futurism onto something that pulls far more heavily from nostalgia. There should be no need to pause the story and introduce a completely new concept to explain why you are there so that it can move forward with some sense.

 

[Rob562]

I always wondered exactly how this was done. Were those parts placed over everything or were some parts of the original castle removed and replaced? Because some of it doesn't look like it would perfectly fit over the regular parts of the castle like those lifesaver towers.

Painted walls and inflatables. To the best of my knowledge, 100% of the castle was still under there.

-Rob

 

[Matt_Black]

This is why people keep mentioning Hero's Duty for Tomorrowland, because its image is intended to reflect futurism.

Well, the thing with Hero's Duty is that while it has a futuristic aesthetic, it's one that clashes with what's in Tomorrowland. Tomorrowland is Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers; Hero's Duty is Blade Runner.

 

[RSoxNo1]

^^^yes, the B&tB ride should have been on the minds of the suits building New Fantasyland!

#ThanksBeatty

 

[RSoxNo1]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to come up with the idea, but I have been a strong advocate of it. From just a thematic and cohesive standpoint, IASW fits so much better in WS than in the European medieval castle themed Fantasyland. Sure, in other castle parks, I can understand it's placement in FL and it's iconic, but WDW has an even better location possible.

On top of that, moving IASW fixes one of the biggest choke points of guest flow in MK and allows for a huge amount of new real estate to be accessed that could be used for a sizable FL expansion. It would actually justify the expense of moving a ride.

Now, I know there is no will or impetus to do such a move, but I firmly would argue that it makes a ton of sense and would commend Disney for making the choice if they did.

I 100% agree.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to come up with the idea, but I have been a strong advocate of it. From just a thematic and cohesive standpoint, IASW fits so much better in WS than in the European medieval castle themed Fantasyland. Sure, in other castle parks, I can understand it's placement in FL and it's iconic, but WDW has an even better location possible.

On top of that, moving IASW fixes one of the biggest choke points of guest flow in MK and allows for a huge amount of new real estate to be accessed that could be used for a sizable FL expansion. It would actually justify the expense of moving a ride.

Now, I know there is no will or impetus to do such a move, but I firmly would argue that it makes a ton of sense and would commend Disney for making the choice if they did.

I second this and raise moving CoP to Epcot as well (since its been discussed here about a zillion times). Obviosuly not to WS but to future world.

Has a ride ever actually been moved? I have to imagine it would be prohibitively expensive.

 

[Bairstow]

Theme is not common ownership or creation. Studio themes are self defeating, everything fits so nothing fits. Nothing ties the whole thing together except the explanation that it is a studio.


Much of TRON's association with futurism relies on its aesthetic, but notions of the future potential of computers, The Grid and the singularity are also present in its narrative. Sugar Rush is not designed to evoke a futuristic image, it is a far more contemporary while Ralph himself is intended to specifically invoke the past. This is why people keep mentioning Hero's Duty for Tomorrowland, because its image is intended to reflect futurism.

As to entering the digital world, this does not presently exist in Wreck It Ralph. You are borrowing that construct from TRON to graft its futurism onto something that pulls far more heavily from nostalgia. There should be no need to pause the story and introduce a completely new concept to explain why you are there so that it can move forward with some sense.

I think Disney World's Tomorrowland, with it being so close to EPCOT, has and will focus its theming on science fiction rather than any motion of futurism. You can't get too hung up on the word "Tomorrow" when there's an entire half a theme park a monorail away that's going to tackle that material more soberly.

Wreck it Ralph, and any of its offshoots, is going to be squarely in the realm of science fiction and perfectly appropriate for WDW's Tomorrowland.

 

[SorcererMC]

Wreck it Ralph, and any of its offshoots, is going to be squarely in the realm of science fiction and perfectly appropriate for WDW's Tomorrowland.

Huh. I was thinking that Wreck It Ralph really doesn't 'fit' into the Tomorrowland theme whatsoever, except for 'The toonification is complete! Next!'

Edit: To each their own, I guess.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think Disney World's Tomorrowland, with it being so close to EPCOT, has and will focus its theming on science fiction rather than any motion of futurism. You can't get too hung up on the word "Tomorrow" when there's an entire half a theme park a monorail away that's going to tackle that material more soberly.

Wreck it Ralph, and any of its offshoots, is going to be squarely in the realm of science fiction and perfectly appropriate for WDW's Tomorrowland.

A little bigger for reference.

 

[wdwfan4ver]

Has a ride ever actually been moved? I have to imagine it would be prohibitively expensive.

Yes. COP from Disneyland to WDW, but that opened at WDW in 1975.

 

[marni1971]

Has a ride ever actually been moved? I have to imagine it would be prohibitively expensive.

Magic Journeys.... not the same I know.

 

[doctornick]

Has a ride ever actually been moved? I have to imagine it would be prohibitively expensive.

Well... IASW itself was originally build for the World's Fair in NYC before being moved to Anaheim. CoP actually moved from NYC to Anaheim and then to Orlando.

Also, isn't Tokyo shutting down their IASW and moving it to the other side of Fantasyland? (I forget if the plan changes nixed that, but it was definitely announced as happening.)

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think Disney World's Tomorrowland, with it being so close to EPCOT, has and will focus its theming on science fiction rather than any motion of futurism. You can't get too hung up on the word "Tomorrow" when there's an entire half a theme park a monorail away that's going to tackle that material more soberly.

Wreck it Ralph, and any of its offshoots, is going to be squarely in the realm of science fiction and perfectly appropriate for WDW's Tomorrowland.

Futurism and science fiction are not mutually exclusive.

 

[GoofGoof]

Has a ride ever actually been moved? I have to imagine it would be prohibitively expensive.

Dumbo was moved when they did FLE, but that's just a spinner with no show building.

 

[Mike S]

Has a ride ever actually been moved? I have to imagine it would be prohibitively expensive.

Since most other things were covered I'll say that I believe the flat rides were moved around a bit for DL's NFL in 1983 and the Mickey Mouse Review from MK to TDL.

I think Disney World's Tomorrowland, with it being so close to EPCOT, has and will focus its theming on science fiction rather than any motion of futurism. You can't get too hung up on the word "Tomorrow" when there's an entire half a theme park a monorail away that's going to tackle that material more soberly.

Wreck it Ralph, and any of its offshoots, is going to be squarely in the realm of science fiction and perfectly appropriate for WDW's Tomorrowland.

If only the differences between Tomorrowland and Future World weren't getting more and more blurred I would be able to accept it.

 

[UpAllNight]

Renaming Tomorrowland to 'discoveryland ' or if in Epcot 'Discovery World' or something along these lines would help the theming problems one of these areas encounter.

Discovery pretty much covers everything. It's vague, but so is 'fantasyland' and 'Adventureland'.

 

[Bairstow]

If they're just going to refit the existing attraction space... again, I wonder what kind of neat stuff they could do with mapped projection and/or musion eyeliners.

I could see them maybe doing a thing where the animatronic in the central stage, where stitch is now, goes down and gets replaced by eyeliner projection, which would look terrible with a circular seating area except that sprite-based 2D video game characters are supposed to look flat. There's a lot of really cool stuff they could do in there that wouldn't necessarily break the bank, and the more they rely on projection for major show elements, the more it opens up the possibility of multiple/branching storylines, which would increases reridability.

 

[marni1971]

If they're just going to refit the existing attraction space... again, I wonder what kind of neat stuff they could do with mapped projection and/or musion eyeliners..

The existing layout will be similar, but don't expect the interiors to bear much resemblance to SGE. Or AE. Or M2M...