Star Wars themed land announced for Disneyland

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phillip sugarman

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Looks like the Disneyland Twitter also confirmed the other rumor by Micechat that the railroad was going to get re-routed for Star Wars Land.

Tyler Kelson @Wraithkelso 2h2 hours ago
DisneylandToday will the Disneyland Railroad be re-routed for Star Wars Land?

Disneyland Today DisneylandToday 1h1 hour ago
@Wraithkelso Hi, Tyler! Yes! The Disneyland Railroad will follow a slightly different route.
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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phillip sugarman said:
Looks like the Disneyland Twitter also confirmed the other rumor by Micechat that the railroad was going to get re-routed for Star Wars Land.

Tyler Kelson @Wraithkelso 2h2 hours ago
DisneylandToday will the Disneyland Railroad be re-routed for Star Wars Land?

Disneyland Today DisneylandToday 1h1 hour ago
@Wraithkelso Hi, Tyler! Yes! The Disneyland Railroad will follow a slightly different route.
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This has been established already on page 26.
 
yookeroo

yookeroo

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1023 said:
The concept isn't foreign.
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But never with such a big footprint. I get the resistance to the idea. Although, there's resistance and then there are reactions that are way over the top.

Personally, I don't really mind. I'm pretty excited. This is looking epic.
 
Old Mouseketeer

Old Mouseketeer

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1023 said:
The concept isn't foreign. Indiana Jones and Star Wars have both been in the park for a very long time. Disney utilized or purchased other people's IP to make it his own. Alice in Wonderland was written by Lewis Carroll. Song of the South, Tom Sawyer, all of the fairy tales were someone's creations. The list goes on. After the movies were created, is that when they became Disney?

Great story telling is what makes something "Disney". Where the IP comes from is inconsequential. There is some great story telling in all of the recent acquisitions. Marvel, Avatar, Lucas Film are all great story telling. Building representations of these great stories makes sense. After all, most of the other attractions we enjoy are based on great story telling.

*1023*
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Well, now you're moving into the central premise of the controversial Walt Disney biography from 1968, The Disney Version by Richard Schickel, then film critic for Time magazine and featured in the recent PBS documentary. The essential theme of his tome was how Walt took great mythic and literary stories and processed them for mass consumption.

Pinnochio was a nasty little sh*t in the original. Many of the original fairy tales were dark and manipulative for small children. The classic interaction between Michael Eisner and the Queen of Denmark had him apologizing before the premiere of The Little Mermaid (a national treasure) in Copenhagen, and afterwards the Queen replying "well, Anderson never did get his endings right.

Similarly, Quasimodo's Esmerelda and the Steadfast Tin Soldier were saved from gruesome outcomes.

Whether it's appropriating children's literature, from the Brothers Grimm to Mary Poppins to Hans Christian Anderson, or modern IPs, such as Lucasfilm, Marvel and Pixar, Disney is an amalgamation of family entertainment, filtered through Walt's vision of what will sell the most tickets. It is both art and commerce. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.
 
zooey

zooey

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Old Mouseketeer said:
Well, now you're moving into the central premise of the controversial Walt Disney biography from 1968, The Disney Version by Richard Schickel, then film critic for Time magazine and featured in the recent PBS documentary. The essential theme of his tome was how Walt took great mythic and literary stories and processed them for mass consumption.

Pinnochio was a nasty little sh*t in the original. Many of the original fairy tales were dark and manipulative for small children. The classic interaction between Michael Eisner and the Queen of Denmark had him apologizing before the premiere of The Little Mermaid (a national treasure) in Copenhagen, and afterwards the Queen replying "well, Anderson never did get his endings right.

Similarly, Quasimodo's Esmerelda and the Steadfast Tin Soldier were saved from gruesome outcomes.

Whether it's appropriating children's literature, from the Brothers Grimm to Mary Poppins to Hans Christian Anderson, or modern IPs, such as Lucasfilm, Marvel and Pixar, Disney is an amalgamation of family entertainment, filtered through Walt's vision of what will sell the most tickets. It is both art and commerce. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.
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But if it sells the most tickets isn't that indicative of what people want? Art can do two things: make people feel emotion, and challenge people to think. Most Disney movies do the first and some even do the second. Art has always been made possible by commerce. They go hand in hand, especially in an expensive medium like film.
 
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1023 said:
The concept isn't foreign. Indiana Jones and Star Wars have both been in the park for a very long time. Disney utilized or purchased other people's IP to make it his own.
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True, but I think this is different in that it is 14 acres dedicated to IP that has zero connection with Disney. I couldn't care less, but I can understand why that might not sit well with some people.

1023 said:
Great story telling is what makes something "Disney". Where the IP comes from is inconsequential.
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Agreed.
 
dweezil78

dweezil78

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
True, but I think this is different in that it is 14 acres dedicated to IP that has zero connection with Disney. I couldn't care less, but I can understand why that might not sit well with some people.
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I guess my response back to you on this and everyone would be -- What's the alternative? As far as their own IP goes, Disney has already been hard at work milking all things Pixar and Frozen which collectively add up for their biggest hits over the past 15 years and everyone gives them a ton of grief for it. What else is left from an IP standpoint to create attractions around? Sad to say, the days of creating attractions like Pirates and Haunted Mansion that have no tie to an existing franchise are gone with some exceptions here and there.

On the other hand, you have Star Wars, which has been part of Disney Parks around the world for almost 30 years. Kind of hard to say that -- and the longstanding relationship with Lucasfilm (which existed way before the acquisition) -- has "zero connection" with Disney, you know?
 
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dweezil78 said:
I guess my response back to you on this and everyone would be -- What's the alternative?
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There are lots of alternatives, but all things considered it would be insane to not expand Star Wars' presence at Disneyland in a major way. So, what I'm reacting to is not SW's arrival at DL (it's already there in the form of Star Tours), but rather the sheer size and scope of this project. The ROA is being rerouted in order to accommodate the SW expansion. Think about that for a moment.

dweezil78 said:
What else is left from an IP standpoint to create attractions around?
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Surely Frozen isn't the last word in Disney generated IP.
 
dweezil78

dweezil78

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
There are lots of alternatives, but all things considered it would be insane to not expand Star Wars' presence at Disneyland in a major way. So, what I'm reacting to is not SW's arrival at DL (it's already there in the form of Star Tours), but rather the sheer size and scope of this project. The ROA is being rerouted in order to accommodate the SW expansion. Think about that for a moment.
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IMO there are only two things within the entire Disney company right now worthy of expansions like that -- Star Wars and Marvel. And if you ask most people, they would have gladly taken an entire theme park based on both!
 
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dweezil78 said:
IMO there are only two things within the entire Disney company right now worthy of expansions like that -- Star Wars and Marvel. And if you ask most people, they would have gladly taken an entire theme park based on both!
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I think Disney has demonstrated that it can still create original stories, themed lands and attractions (ie: Buena Vista Street, Mystic Point, Grizzly Gulch, etc) that thrill and delight guests, so there's no reason why the same couldn't be done at Disneyland. With that said, it's not much of a surprise that they went with Star Wars as the next big project in Anaheim. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a complete revamp of TL. Maybe that's where Marvel might go?
 
Jiggsawpuzzle35

Jiggsawpuzzle35

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If they essentially turn it into a Marvel Land there will a lot of angry Disneyland fans. They will think it's the end of the world. A normal casual fan wouldn't think much of it and would enjoy the new rides. I still think it will go over to DCA. Do we know how much land is available there ?
 
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Jiggsawpuzzle35 said:
If they essentially turn it into a Marvel Land there will a lot of angry Disneyland fans.
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People are angry about the ROA and DLRR being rerouted yet they are doing it. Disney can't be fearful of fan mania backlash if it's going to progress. If management is going to be as aggressive with Marvel as it is with SW I would imagine that all options, including TL, are on the table.
 

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