A Noble Fish
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Thanks for the fun!
I talked to this mom with two teens, and she woke up and got a boarding group for herself because her teens were too lazy to get out of bed. She said it's on them and she's right! Foreigners and first-timers, for the most part, don't even use Fastpass+ at all, so their experience is not going to be ideal anyway. It's the nature of My Disney Experience, oh and keep reading because it gets better!
This system allows everyone who shows up early that day to get on. Are you just that lazy? You can't get up one morning? Or are you abusing ADS, so you want to show up at 3 and expect to ride it getting a return time?
I am right on this, every other system either requires some people to have significant planning in advance or waiting an entire day in a queue.
You are wrong to say that this isn't the best system for the variables at play here. It is, objectively. In practice (not theoretical), you're basically guaranteed a group at opening. That's all that matters.
This is objectively the best system for a major new theme park attraction in years. Mine Train has godforsaken wait times years later for a mediocre ride that's inflated by Fastpass+. The only perfect system is there to be enough capacity for every person and they are assigned a time when they enter the park at their leisure. That's unachievable, so in the real world, this boarding group system is ideal for most people. You go to the park by opening and you get on with a minimal wait. I've done it three times and I was no more prepared the more times I've done it. It's not that complicated. Shutting the ride down would only lower capacity in the park, and not allow people who are dedicated enough to show up at park open to hop on the ride.
What system do you suggest?
Opinions aren't facts regardless of what propaganda people here nowadays. In the real world, there's no perfect solution, but there are best solution(s) that are measurable with results.
The intention is for this system to mitigate the impact of evacuations/downtime, not prioritize any group of people (Fastpass+, Resorts, AP, CM's), allow technical work to be done at night, lower queue times, have certainty that you can ride it if you are in a boarding group, and enjoy the rest of the park as you normally would while you wait. That is the reason it is being used instead of adding Fastpass+ to the low capacity Flight of Passage, or standby only like the uptime king Falcon. For the variables at play, it is the best solution.
Typically a standby only is the way to go for cutting queues and allowing everyone that is in the park to do it, but it's an awful system for downtime ridden rides that need nightly maintenance like Rise and Hagrid's.
Heck, if you misunderstood how it works, so long as you are there at opening, or some of your party members are in a boarding group, you can go to Guest Relations and they usually try to help you in. Whether it be you have a flight that day, etc.
But I'm not going to waste any more of my time. People like to be right, so instead of looking at the situation and comprehending it, they get stuck up on specific things and fortify their minds when it's challenged. I'm guessing that someone will respond twisting what I am saying and irrationally justifying their statement, again.
Just human nature.
The intention is for this system to mitigate the impact of evacuations/downtime, not prioritize any group of people (Fastpass+, Resorts, AP, CM's), allow technical work to be done at night, lower queue times, squash uncertainty (you're guaranteed to ride in a boarding group), and enjoy the rest of the park as you normally would so the ride is a effectively a bonus. Typically a standby only is the way to go for cutting queues and allowing everyone that is in the park to do it, but it's an awful system for downtime ridden rides that need nightly maintenance like Rise and Hagrid's. These are the reasons this system is being used instead of adding Fastpass+ like what was done to the low capacity Flight of Passage or standby-only like the uptime king Falcon. For the variables at play, it IS the best solution they have used in the past few years.
It IS best for the majority of people under the current conditions. People who really want to ride it will get up early for it. People who don't know anything about Disney will be more infuriated with the fact that they don't have any Fastpasses and the shortest line in the park is an hour.Just because this system serves you the best doesn't mean it does for the majority. Fact is that BGs do not work for the vast majority (I would say prob close to 90% of the guests in Florida) and time will prove that out. If this system was best for the majority, Disney would leave it in place.
I talked to this mom with two teens, and she woke up and got a boarding group for herself because her teens were too lazy to get out of bed. She said it's on them and she's right! Foreigners and first-timers, for the most part, don't even use Fastpass+ at all, so their experience is not going to be ideal anyway. It's the nature of My Disney Experience, oh and keep reading because it gets better!
No, not at all. With Fastpass, it requires more planning months ahead, and unless they are released in batches, only a minimum of RESORT GUESTS would be able to get it, and if you miss it you get to enjoy a 10-hour queue with the probability that it breaks down.That last sentence is the problem. I'm not wrong. You're not wrong either. The select few getting FastPass isn't any different than the select few getting a BG when the park opens. You and others keep saying if you show up at park opening you are guaranteed a group, but that's just not true -- it's only been true because not enough people are choosing to show up at opening.
If 10,000 people showed up at opening tomorrow, most of them wouldn't get a group. Heck, in another thread someone said all guaranteed groups were gone right at 7 AM today, which means there were plenty of people there at opening who only received a backup group at best. If the crowds keep increasing, eventually there are going to be lots of people who show up at opening and don't even get a backup group.
There isn't one right, objectively best way to do this, and there's no evidence that ANY of the ideas that have been put out in this discussion by me and others benefit the largest group of people. We have no way of knowing that.
This system allows everyone who shows up early that day to get on. Are you just that lazy? You can't get up one morning? Or are you abusing ADS, so you want to show up at 3 and expect to ride it getting a return time?
I am right on this, every other system either requires some people to have significant planning in advance or waiting an entire day in a queue.
You are wrong to say that this isn't the best system for the variables at play here. It is, objectively. In practice (not theoretical), you're basically guaranteed a group at opening. That's all that matters.
This is objectively the best system for a major new theme park attraction in years. Mine Train has godforsaken wait times years later for a mediocre ride that's inflated by Fastpass+. The only perfect system is there to be enough capacity for every person and they are assigned a time when they enter the park at their leisure. That's unachievable, so in the real world, this boarding group system is ideal for most people. You go to the park by opening and you get on with a minimal wait. I've done it three times and I was no more prepared the more times I've done it. It's not that complicated. Shutting the ride down would only lower capacity in the park, and not allow people who are dedicated enough to show up at park open to hop on the ride.
What system do you suggest?
Opinions aren't facts regardless of what propaganda people here nowadays. In the real world, there's no perfect solution, but there are best solution(s) that are measurable with results.
The intention is for this system to mitigate the impact of evacuations/downtime, not prioritize any group of people (Fastpass+, Resorts, AP, CM's), allow technical work to be done at night, lower queue times, have certainty that you can ride it if you are in a boarding group, and enjoy the rest of the park as you normally would while you wait. That is the reason it is being used instead of adding Fastpass+ to the low capacity Flight of Passage, or standby only like the uptime king Falcon. For the variables at play, it is the best solution.
Typically a standby only is the way to go for cutting queues and allowing everyone that is in the park to do it, but it's an awful system for downtime ridden rides that need nightly maintenance like Rise and Hagrid's.
Heck, if you misunderstood how it works, so long as you are there at opening, or some of your party members are in a boarding group, you can go to Guest Relations and they usually try to help you in. Whether it be you have a flight that day, etc.
But I'm not going to waste any more of my time. People like to be right, so instead of looking at the situation and comprehending it, they get stuck up on specific things and fortify their minds when it's challenged. I'm guessing that someone will respond twisting what I am saying and irrationally justifying their statement, again.
Just human nature.