Star Wars related anouncment at D23 all but confirmed

[The Conundrum]

The 501st is a fan group that, yes, appear at various functions. They do alot of charity related appearances as well as appearances that are officially sanctioned by Lucasfilm. For example, when Lucas was the Grand Marshall in the Tournament if Roses parade a few years back, the parade featured several SW floats, the 501st, and Lucas himself as Grand Marshall. I also believe they have appeared at SW Celebrations as well.

So do you think they were called in for a Star Tours announcement or are they just coming for fun. September 12th. is the theme park conferance so unless they are showing up to represent the current Star Wars presence in the park they would have to be for a new ride announcement right?

 

[headhoncho34]

So do you think they were called in for a Star Tours announcement or are they just coming for fun. September 12th. is the theme park conferance so unless they are showing up to represent the current Star Wars presence in the park they would have to be for a new ride announcement right?

Yes.

 

[Ausdaddy]

So do you think they were called in for a Star Tours announcement or are they just coming for fun. September 12th. is the theme park conferance so unless they are showing up to represent the current Star Wars presence in the park they would have to be for a new ride announcement right?

....or it could be the announcement of Celebration V at WDW. Clubjade is reporting that Orlando was on the short list for the next Star Wars Celebration event. The last one was on the west coast, makes sense to move it east. It's most likely ST 2.0, but that's another interesting possibility. I'd be pleased if it was both.

 

[jt04]

....or it could be the announcement of Celebration V at WDW. Clubjade is reporting that Orlando was on the short list for the next Star Wars Celebration event. The last one was on the west coast, makes sense to move it east. It's most likely ST 2.0, but that's another interesting possibility. I'd be pleased if it was both.

There are other possibilities too. I'm betting on ST2 though.

 

[WDW1974]

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Originally Posted by EpcotServo
Studios will always be better than DCA in theme, no question, no argument, pay at the second window and have a great day.

I completly disagree in 2013 DCA will be themed to the same level if not better than DAK.

Can I disagree with both of you?

Of course I can. I am such a disagreeable Spirit.

TPFKaTD-MGMS may have been better in both theme and execution than DCA at one point, but that point ain't 2009. The park is a mess in many ways ... and sadly TDO doesn't seem to care (even if the VP out there does).

But you can certainly at least make the argument about Studios because it once was cohesive and quality throughout.

But DCA 2013 better than DAK? Um ... uh ... ah ... no, I don't think so.
DAK is a masterpiece and can only get better. DCA was troubled from Day 1 and even if everything proposed for Phase 1 happens (and it won't as many elements from the beer garden to enhancements to Grizzly Rapids and Screamin to removal of Maliboomer have already gotten chopped), it still won't be the amazingly immersive focused and layered experience that DAK has been since Day 1.

 

[The Conundrum]

But DCA 2013 better than DAK? Um ... uh ... ah ... no, I don't think so.
DAK is a masterpiece and can only get better. DCA was troubled from Day 1 and even if everything proposed for Phase 1 happens (and it won't as many elements from the beer garden to enhancements to Grizzly Rapids and Screamin to removal of Maliboomer have already gotten chopped), it still won't be the amazingly immersive focused and layered experience that DAK has been since Day 1.

Dinoland, particularly Dino-RAMA, really brings down DAK.

I understand the "theme" is supposed to be a roadside attraction but that doesn't justify what they did its just as bad as dumping a carnivale land (paradise pier) in DCA across the way from Disneyland. Otherwise great park almost the true meaning of virtual reality. It needs more meaty attractions though.

 

[WDW1974]

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Originally Posted by The Conundrum
It is being announced for Disneyland, MGM, and Tokyo Disneyland.

Interesting that they would choose to leave DLP out of the mix?

ST 2.0 will wind up in every park where ST exists, including DLP.

I'm not sure of the timeline, but I'd guess it will open at WDW and DL at pretty much the same time (a la TSMM) and that it will likely be 2011 (could even be sooner).

I don't get the idea that OLC has this close to the top of its agenda with many things already announced. And the smart money at DLP is it opening for the 20th along with the Ratatouille E-Ticket for DSP.

 

[headhoncho34]

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Conundrum
It is being announced for Disneyland, MGM, and Tokyo Disneyland.



ST 2.0 will wind up in every park where ST exists, including DLP.

I'm not sure of the timeline, but I'd guess it will open at WDW and DL at pretty much the same time (a la TSMM) and that it will likely be 2011 (could even be sooner).

I don't get the idea that OLC has this close to the top of its agenda with many things already announced. And the smart money at DLP is it opening for the 20th along with the Ratatouille E-Ticket for DSP.

Im thinking that it would probably open in the summer of 2010 in both WDW and DL.

 

[EpcotServo]

Can I disagree with both of you?

Of course I can. I am such a disagreeable Spirit.

TPFKaTD-MGMS may have been better in both theme and execution than DCA at one point, but that point ain't 2009. The park is a mess in many ways ... and sadly TDO doesn't seem to care (even if the VP out there does).

But you can certainly at least make the argument about Studios because it once was cohesive and quality throughout.

Once again, here's where I had my say on the past and current Theme of studios and how and why it's still alive and well at Studios. (And also how mangled the true nature of Theme is to some folks around here)


http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=3680895&postcount=296

The core theme of the park by nature is more rooted in human emotion and mythology then the Californian dream is, even if the California theme sits well with me. And honestly this rehab is amazing, and I'll always love DCA, but all of these changes seem less easily connectible to the core theme of the park. But that's neither here nor there, what I'm saying is why Studios is so great and fits in is that core theme, and how easily and closely tied to conveying that theme all of the experiences are.


I do agree though, Animal Kingdom is the best park at Walt Disney World when it comes to the nature of Theme and Experience of which I talk about in the post. Even TDS is a little harder to trace back to the core message of the park than anything at Animal Kingdom.*


*Doesn't wish to argue any more with anyone, I'm friend to all Disney Parks. Love & Peace!

 

[WDW1974]

I do love DCA past, present, and future though. Ideally I'd be standing up for it, but I have my hands full with all this recent Studios bashing.

I do too.

And I loved DCA from Day 1. Earlier actually as I did some previewing in 2000 before WDI handed the park over to TDA and then during official previews.

That said, it's easier for me to stand up for DCA because it was very flawed from the start (and no, it's theme had nothing to do with it ... although the name may have) than for TPFKaTD-MGMS because Studios was wonderful (albeit tiny) when it opened and then it kept getting better for almost a decade ... and then ...

Well, it went full throttle in reverse and is now just a mess of anything/everything that has to do with any Disney 'franchise' or 'entertainment' ... it's become much more generic.

It's a whole lot easier for me to defend a park that's always had its issues and is being made better than it is to defend one that was systematically taken apart.

 

[The Conundrum]

Im thinking that it would probably open in the summer of 2010 in both WDW and DL.

2010 for Disneyland makes the most sense to me since it's Disneyland's 55th. and it should be a major event.

Indiana Jones Adventure was the centerpiece of Disneyland's 40th. anniversary celebration in 1995 and since that was extremly sucessful for them i'm sure they want to capture lightning in a bottle twice and launch the 55th. with another new Lucas blockbuster e-ticket :sohappy:.

Oh and I think Disney's MGM Studios started going south after Bob Weiss left. It was shortly after Twilight Zone:Tower of Terror opened that everything fell apart. I personally feal its a mistake to bring the music industry and too many "hip" elements into the parks. Aerosmith and American Idol don't belong in the park as far as im concerned. Disney's own properties, Jim Henson Studios, Lucasfilm, and Pixar all represent timeless entertainment and not something that is hip and trendy. They should have focused on developing attractions around those studios and maintained the "1930s golden age of hollywood" around the park.

 

[headhoncho34]

I do too.

And I loved DCA from Day 1. Earlier actually as I did some previewing in 2000 before WDI handed the park over to TDA and then during official previews.

That said, it's easier for me to stand up for DCA because it was very flawed from the start (and no, it's theme had nothing to do with it ... although the name may have) than for TPFKaTD-MGMS because Studios was wonderful (albeit tiny) when it opened and then it kept getting better for almost a decade ... and then ...

Well, it went full throttle in reverse and is now just a mess of anything/everything that has to do with any Disney 'franchise' or 'entertainment' ... it's become much more generic.

It's a whole lot easier for me to defend a park that's always had its issues and is being made better than it is to defend one that was systematically taken apart.

Agreed MGM may have great rides and shows but its a mess especially with theme and execution. Animal Kingdom is probably the greatest park in the world based one theme and is getting better especially with the addition of Expedition Everest which is probably one of the greatest themed rides Disney as ever created.

 

[WDW1974]

Dinoland, particularly Dino-RAMA, really brings down DAK.

I don't like that aspect of the park, but it is a very small area. And even Joe Rohde told me that most of it 'can be gone in 72 hours' ... And it can be argued that it 'fits' the area, although I wouldn't be the one doing so!

I understand the "theme" is supposed to be a roadside attraction but that doesn't justify what they did its just as bad as dumping a carnivale land (paradise pier) in DCA across the way from Disneyland. Otherwise great park almost the true meaning of virtual reality. It needs more meaty attractions though.

Well, I also like PP. And have from Day 1 too. Although Tim Delaney's concepts (and budget) for the land were cut drastically. But it is a beautiful, dynamic area ... especially at night.

The whole idea that a boardwalk area is intrinsically bad or something anti-Walt is a concept I have never bought into. Could it have been done better? Hell yeah. It should have been and could have been ... and it didn't have to be the old Victorian look that is so overdone by Disney. You guys on Flower Street love gingerbread, we get it!

But people forget that the BW at WDW was orginally supposed to have an amusement aspect, including a rolley coaster ... it just turned into a swimming pool at a timeshare.

Still, don't want to get too far off DAK ... and I just hope it isn't ignored for too long.

 

[WDW1974]

Once again, here's where I had my say on the past and current Theme of studios and how and why it's still alive and well at Studios. (And also how mangled the true nature of Theme is to some folks around here)


http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=3680895&postcount=296

The core theme of the park by nature is more rooted in human emotion and mythology then the Californian dream is, even if the California theme sits well with me. And honestly this rehab is amazing, and I'll always love DCA, but all of these changes seem less easily connectible to the core theme of the park. But that's neither here nor there, what I'm saying is why Studios is so great and fits in is that core theme, and how easily and closely tied to conveying that theme all of the experiences are.


I do agree though, Animal Kingdom is the best park at Walt Disney World when it comes to the nature of Theme and Experience of which I talk about in the post. Even TDS is a little harder to trace back to the core message of the park than anything at Animal Kingdom.*


*Doesn't wish to argue any more with anyone, I'm friend to all Disney Parks. Love & Peace!

Who's arguing? We're just talking with our geek caps on!

And I found your post to be very well written on the other thread.

I just think Disney has gotten away from 'The Hollywood that never was and always will be' ... that park is now all about media franchises and branding and not evocative at all of what's written on the dedication plaque (I was there when Michael read the words!). It's not about Hollywood and the film/TV industry so much as Disney's current properties (and with AIE, Freemantle/FOX's).

 

[_Scar]

Dinoland, particularly Dino-RAMA, really brings down DAK.

I understand the "theme" is supposed to be a roadside attraction but that doesn't justify what they did its just as bad as dumping a carnivale land (paradise pier) in DCA across the way from Disneyland. Otherwise great park almost the true meaning of virtual reality. It needs more meaty attractions though.

DAK lacked kiddie stuff and I feel Dinorama fills a lot of that void. :shrug: Plus it isn't cheap looking. IMO at least...

 

[Festivus]

Oh and I think Disney's MGM Studios started going south after Bob Weiss left. It was shortly after Twilight Zone:Tower of Terror opened that everything fell apart. I personally feal its a mistake to bring the music industry and too many "hip" elements into the parks. Aerosmith and American Idol don't belong in the park as far as im concerned. Disney's own properties, Jim Henson Studios, Lucasfilm, and Pixar all represent timeless entertainment and not something that is hip and trendy. They should have focused on developing attractions around those studios and maintained the "1930s golden age of hollywood" around the park.

I agree with you completely. I also think that Streets of America is a horrendous waste of space. I understand they do the Osbourne Lights during the Xmas season, but couldn't they easily decorate a different part of the park? If you combine that area with the backlot tour area, imagine the attractions that could be built in such a large area.

 

[Festivus]

So do you think they were called in for a Star Tours announcement or are they just coming for fun. September 12th. is the theme park conferance so unless they are showing up to represent the current Star Wars presence in the park they would have to be for a new ride announcement right?

I am certainly no insider, but from the seemingly legitimate Rumors that have been floated concerning filming and ILM projects, I would bet an announcement of ST 2.0 is likely, as well as maybe an announcement of the next SWC happening at WDW in conjunction with the opening of the new ride. But, does Disney have the convention capacity to handle such a large event? I went to the 2 held in Indianapolis and they took up quite a bit of convention space.

 

[The Conundrum]

I am certainly no insider, but from the seemingly legitimate Rumors that have been floated concerning filming and ILM projects, I would bet an announcement of ST 2.0 is likely, as well as maybe an announcement of the next SWC happening at WDW in conjunction with the opening of the new ride. But, does Disney have the convention capacity to handle such a large event? I went to the 2 held in Indianapolis and they took up quite a bit of convention space.

They have the room in Orlando.

 

[headhoncho34]

I agree with you completely. I also think that Streets of America is a horrendous waste of space. I understand they do the Osbourne Lights during the Xmas season, but couldn't they easily decorate a different part of the park? If you combine that area with the backlot tour area, imagine the attractions that could be built in such a large area.

I dont know about that Star Tours 2.0 with the FL expansion plus Journey to the Center of The Earth probably coming to AK all this is going to take a big chunk out of WDW's budget and im guessing they probably wont have the funds to build an abudance of attractions in that area that will be a very heavy cost.

 

[Festivus]

They have the room in Orlando.

Wouldn't they want it on Disney property though? That might involve 2 separate admission fees, 1 for the SWC and 1 for DHS?