Rteetz
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It's not just Disney though. Universal lands aren't built with 5 attractions or anything. Diagon Alley has only 1 attraction unless you count the train.
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britain
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How is quantity of rides an indicator of innovation?
drod1985
Well-Known Member
We're just not crying over spilled blue milk. The land has two rides, and as @britain mentioned innovation isn't equal to quantity of attractions. There are other areas where the land is innovating, and there is evidence that the land will expand one day, meaning that there is more potential for innovation.
Rteetz
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You need to look at context. Not everything is meant to be an E-Ticket pushing the envelope. Toy Story Land is meant to be a family land. NRJ also a family ride with one of the most advanced AAs Disney has. New Fantasyland another family area. Your innovation opens August 29th and is found in things like Flight of Passage.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
No you didn't you ticked off a list of things that you didn't think were innovative, some of which I do agree with. You didn't explain why having more rides in a land makes it innovative?
NormC
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No, in the current land there IS room to build more. They do not have to expand the land to add more but they can expand if they chose for even more space.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
You said Imagination = innovation, but I am asking why you think Quantity = innovation?
britain
Well-Known Member
Rather than fighting let’s seek to understand.
I think what Mr Incredible is trying to say is that Disney used to be more innovative more often with new additions. While I wouldn't have boiled a "no longer innovative" argument down to "look, only 2 rides", I think compressed in there is a "Disney used to be innovative AND used to build fully-featured lands" sentiment.
Is that a more accurate assessment, @Mr Incredible ?
I think what Mr Incredible is trying to say is that Disney used to be more innovative more often with new additions. While I wouldn't have boiled a "no longer innovative" argument down to "look, only 2 rides", I think compressed in there is a "Disney used to be innovative AND used to build fully-featured lands" sentiment.
Is that a more accurate assessment, @Mr Incredible ?
danlb_2000
Premium Member
GE is not open yet, so we can't really judge the level of innovation. Smugglers run doesn't look ground breaking, but it does appear to have some innovative elements. Rise of the Resistance should be the signature ride, so we will have to wait and see what that delivers. If they pull off the level of immersion they are talking about, the land itself could get points for innovation.
I also think the hotel has the potential to be very innovative, no other theme park has tried to do something like that.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
What makes GE less "fully-featured" then lands that they have built before?
britain
Well-Known Member
Quantity doesn't equal Quality, but you're more likely to invent something spectacular the more often you invent period! So, I get you.
But (as we all know) WDI is told "Ok, here's your budget. Blow it all on 1 envelope-pushing attraction, or on 20 spinners." And somewhere they're trying their best to find a good balance.
But (as we all know) WDI is told "Ok, here's your budget. Blow it all on 1 envelope-pushing attraction, or on 20 spinners." And somewhere they're trying their best to find a good balance.
Phicinfan
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I would argue that technology is more a driver, but that is probably being a bit petty.
Not that innovative
Haven't ridden it yet, will be there next week, let me get back to you.
Here I disagree. The fact they have added the bioluminescence and made that area more involved to me showed a great deal of imagination and innovation. Unfortunately, it may not be that dependable or long lasting as I have heard they have had to redo some of it. I am really looking forward to seeing this.
Again, I disagree. The whole premise of this land is a young boy built rides out of his toys in his back yard. Would said boy be able to build TRON? I don't think so. Again, will see it first time next week, but I think some miss the fact that being immersive isn't always being TOP of LINE attractions...
No one does. You do have the right to hold Disney more accountable than others if you wish. I personally don't think that is all that fair. I also think once SW:GE opens and folks get the full rides the bar will be reset. Much as things were with Potter area at Universal. That being said folks have to realize most cannot and will not spend the Millions of $$$$ for 4-5 ride worlds now. That is not the precedent.
britain
Well-Known Member
Well, there's no A through D tickets to fill the place out. But perhaps it will be (correctly?) argued that the phone app or the lightsaber experiences are good enough to be considered unofficial attractions.
I'm just glad they built 2 E-tickets, not 1 E and 1 C.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I don't think it's necessary for every land to be fully fleshed out like that, as long as the park is balanced as a whole, I don't mind that each land isn't balanced.
nickys
Premium Member
Really? Actually I did read on. You said “within the land there is no room to build more”.
Both the space for the TSR (restaurant) and the berm are within the land.
And thanks for the advice, but I’ll continue to post as I usually do thanks. And I will continue to read different opinions on all manner of topics, whether or not I agree or disagree with them.
flynnibus
Premium Member
New Fantasyland? Let's walk through the area around Seven Dwarves... or the bridge or the village... and then walk around Peter Pan and IASW and get back to slamming NFL as nothing new.
I'm no fan of NFL - but the slams here are all wrong.
GE is tackling things at scales Disney has never done before.. the closest it has approached this is Carsland... which besides being just ONE attraction with two minor ground rides... being DOMINATED by F&B and merch... is a knock out success. (and thats still with one of the three attractions being a turd and having to be replaced)
Psst... carsland was changed and elements removed for potential future uses too!
Lands like SW:GE, Carsland, or even Pandora were never done before by Disney. Yes, jewels like NOS, or FL '83 are fantastic... but they can't hold a candle to the scale or detail put into what an 'immersive' land in the last decade is. So to say there is no 'innovation' there is beyond obtuse.
What it boils down to is... people upset about the number of attractions and still trying to come up with other ways of slamming the place verse facing the root of their grief.
I'm no fan of NFL - but the slams here are all wrong.
GE is tackling things at scales Disney has never done before.. the closest it has approached this is Carsland... which besides being just ONE attraction with two minor ground rides... being DOMINATED by F&B and merch... is a knock out success. (and thats still with one of the three attractions being a turd and having to be replaced)
Psst... carsland was changed and elements removed for potential future uses too!
Lands like SW:GE, Carsland, or even Pandora were never done before by Disney. Yes, jewels like NOS, or FL '83 are fantastic... but they can't hold a candle to the scale or detail put into what an 'immersive' land in the last decade is. So to say there is no 'innovation' there is beyond obtuse.
What it boils down to is... people upset about the number of attractions and still trying to come up with other ways of slamming the place verse facing the root of their grief.
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Rteetz
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Then your quality is going to go down because more attractions = more money.
Rteetz
Well-Known Member
Yes Disney has the money but that doesn't mean they are going to spend it. If you have paid any attention to the parks over the last 5 or more years they aren't going to spend more than they need too and even then they usually go over budget.
Phicinfan
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Let me ask this, why should they? They continue to see a rise in attendance and money coming in.
Again, I understand some here holding Disney to a different standard. But lets be honest, this Disney isn't the Disney that Walt started, and is not in the world and time Walt started it in.
They by reports have gone all out with SW:GE, and as pointed out by @Rteetz have gone beyond by adding a immerse resort hotel to go with that expansion.
The cost of this setting, has been immense, and at some point you have to make money. That is what Disney has to do, due to its stock holders.