Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

NoChesterHester

NoChesterHester

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Dan deesnee said:
Well nobody has any connection to these new walkers. They aren't iconic, and aren't as recognizable. It's most definitely the right choice for them to use the classic walkers.
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It's the right choice to build a ride centered on an escape from the first order, from the new movies, and not have the correct period equipment in the attraction?

They are building an entire new land with ride attractions set in the period of the new movies.

This is the kind of detail that Disney is known for. Not to mention... Star Wars fans will go bananas over this kind of oversight.
 
Dan Deesnee

Dan Deesnee

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NoChesterHester said:
It's the right choice to build a ride centered on an escape from the first order, from the new movies, and not have the correct period equipment in the attraction?

They are building an entire new land with ride attractions set in the period of the new movies.

This is the kind of detail that Disney is known for. Not to mention... Star Wars fans will go bananas over this kind of oversight.
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Well several things here. First, there are other walkers seen in Force Awakens that aren't Gorilla Walkers nor are they exactly like the classic ones. Also, their have always been different versions of the walkers, even in the classic time period of The Empire. I don't believe any art has been released showing what these could look like so we don't even know if they are the classic design.

And if you think they care one bit what the most hardcore star wars fans think then you will be disappointed to find out that they don't. They are building this land for mass appeal to casual star wars fans and people that just "like" it but aren't super into it because they already know the hardcore will come regardless.

Lastly, the Gorilla Walkers are huge and bigger than the classic walkers. So if you are worried about accuracy they would likely need a 3-4 story building, not a 2 story building to house them. So what is worse, a walker that is way too small, or a classic walker that we aren't sure exists in this time setting?
 
Jones14

Jones14

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NoChesterHester said:
It's the right choice to build a ride centered on an escape from the first order, from the new movies, and not have the correct period equipment in the attraction?

They are building an entire new land with ride attractions set in the period of the new movies.

This is the kind of detail that Disney is known for. Not to mention... Star Wars fans will go bananas over this kind of oversight.
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Except for the fact that it has nothing to do with time period. There's nothing in canon that suggests that AT-AT's were decommissioned by the First Order. In fact, it's likely that they continued producing them even after creating gorilla walkers, in the same way that the Empire kept producing standard TIE Fighters after developing the Interceptor. Old tech = cheaper.

But, let's play devil's advocate and say that the AT-AT's are deemed obsolete and production is halted on them. Great. They're not going to destroy all of the old vehicles in their inventory just because they're outdated. Instead, they'll likely retire them to remote bases to guard less-important planets and assets. (This is what was done with TIE Fighters, even though they were still in production during the Galactic Civil War. Interceptors accompanied the more important capital ships.) Guess where Star Wars Land takes place? A remote planet long past its golden age.

With these two points in mind, it actually makes more sense for AT-AT's to appear in this random First Order base than a gorilla walker.
 
NoChesterHester

NoChesterHester

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Dan deesnee said:
Well several things here. First, there are other walkers seen in Force Awakens that aren't Gorilla Walkers nor are they exactly like the classic ones. Also, their have always been different versions of the walkers, even in the classic time period of The Empire. I don't believe any art has been released showing what these could look like so we don't even know if they are the classic design.
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Was responding to JediMasterMatt's post. Good point on the multiple models.

Dan deesnee said:
And if you think they care one bit what the most hardcore star wars fans think then you will be disappointed to find out that they don't. They are building this land for mass appeal to casual star wars fans and people that just "like" it but aren't super into it because they already know the hardcore will come regardless.
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They are absolutely trying to get this right. Too many very deliberate decisions to flippantly throw caution to the wind.

Dan deesnee said:
Lastly, the Gorilla Walkers are huge and bigger than the classic walkers. So if you are worried about accuracy they would likely need a 3-4 story building, not a 2 story building to house them. So what is worse, a walker that is way too small, or a classic walker that we aren't sure exists in this time setting?
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Don't care. It needs to be right. That's my only point.
 
NoChesterHester

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Jones14 said:
Except for the fact that it has nothing to do with time period. There's nothing in canon that suggests that AT-AT's were decommissioned by the First Order. In fact, it's likely that they continued producing them even after creating gorilla walkers, in the same way that the Empire kept producing standard TIE Fighters after developing the Interceptor. Old tech = cheaper.

But, let's play devil's advocate and say that the AT-AT's are deemed obsolete and production is halted on them. Great. They're not going to destroy all of the old vehicles in their inventory just because they're outdated. Instead, they'll likely retire them to remote bases to guard less-important planets and assets. (This is what was done with TIE Fighters, even though they were still in production during the Galactic Civil War. Interceptors accompanied the more important capital ships.) Guess where Star Wars Land takes place? A remote planet long past its golden age.

With these two points in mind, it actually makes more sense for AT-AT's to appear in this random First Order base than a gorilla walker.
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I'm not going to get into some what-if storytelling debate. One can post rationalize anything.
 
NoChesterHester

NoChesterHester

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Jones14 said:
I mean, it's literally what they do with all of their tech in the series, but okay.
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There was absolutely zero 40 year old imperial tech used by the first order in the Force Awakens. Aesthetic design reference - yes. The Star Wars universe has continuity of history so they reference the same motifs.

Same goes for the original trilogy - was there a single instance of the empire using Clone Wars remnants? No.

The key to Star Wars is that it feels used and lived in, not just thrown together. There is a careful and slow evolution of story and tech on display. Like real life things are iterative and reference those things that came before.
 
Jones14

Jones14

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NoChesterHester said:
There was absolutely zero 40 year old imperial tech used by the first order in the Force Awakens. Aesthetic design reference - yes. The Star Wars universe has continuity of history so they reference the same motifs.

Same goes for the original trilogy - was there a single instance of the empire using Clone Wars remnants? No.

The key to Star Wars is that it feels used and lived in, not just thrown together. There is a careful and slow evolution of story and tech on display. Like real life things are iterative and reference those things that came before.
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In The Force Awakens. Which is not the extent of canon by a long shot. The novels clearly lay out that A) the bulk of the First Order's military is made up of the refitted and re-armed Imperial Navy and B) that the newer capital ships seen in the movie are the first of their kind. The First Order is attempting to phase out the Imperial fleet, but as of the Force Awakens, it lacks the resources to fully do so. This is canon.

The prequels were made after the original trilogy, and they, The Clone Wars, and Rebels all show a very slow progression of technology in which both sides of conflict utilize old tech alongside the new (battle droids with super battle droids, new forms of fighter ships, clone/storm trooper uniforms).

That's exactly my point. The only First Order base that would have the latest and greatest tech at its disposal would be Starkiller, not the one on a backwater planet. A smaller base would be stuck with the leftovers, aka the old walker models.

To the average guest, it doesn't matter. To the super fan, the logic is there.
 
Dan Deesnee

Dan Deesnee

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Jones14 said:
In The Force Awakens. Which is not the extent of canon by a long shot. The novels clearly lay out that A) the bulk of the First Order's military is made up of the refitted and re-armed Imperial Navy and B) that the newer capital ships seen in the movie are the first of their kind. The First Order is attempting to phase out the Imperial fleet, but as of the Force Awakens, it lacks the resources to fully do so. This is canon.

The prequels were made after the original trilogy, and they, The Clone Wars, and Rebels all show a very slow progression of technology in which both sides of conflict utilize old tech alongside the new (battle droids with super battle droids, new forms of fighter ships, clone/storm trooper uniforms).

That's exactly my point. The only First Order base that would have the latest and greatest tech at its disposal would be Starkiller, not the one on a backwater planet. A smaller base would be stuck with the leftovers, aka the old walker models.

To the average guest, it doesn't matter. To the super fan, the logic is there.
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This is pretty much spot on and should put the argument to rest. We should be more concerned with how well they can pull this entire land off as opposed to the types of walker being used.
 
Exomonia

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NoChesterHester said:
So you are telling me... that a company notorious for change orders is unwilling to modify the walker design before the steel was even purchased? Mmmmmkay.
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No comment on what should be used - but the video Disney released in March I think (don't know how to link here) showed the skeletal forms of the AT-ATs in the construction zone, transforming into CGI rendered AT-ATs. I think this should mean that they will be AT-ATs ultimately!
 
Master Yoda

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NoChesterHester said:
There was absolutely zero 40 year old imperial tech used by the first order in the Force Awakens. Aesthetic design reference - yes. The Star Wars universe has continuity of history so they reference the same motifs.

Same goes for the original trilogy - was there a single instance of the empire using Clone Wars remnants? No.

The key to Star Wars is that it feels used and lived in, not just thrown together. There is a careful and slow evolution of story and tech on display. Like real life things are iterative and reference those things that came before.
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Yes.

The HAVw A6 Juggernaut was used in the Galactic Civil war.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HAVw_A6_Juggernaut
 
HauntedMansionFLA

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Dan deesnee said:
This is pretty much spot on and should put the argument to rest. We should be more concerned with how well they can pull this entire land off as opposed to the types of walker being used.
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I agree. I am looking forward to seeing the full scale SWL model at the D23. Hopefully there will be more details made public during the event. For example, is Jedi Training moving over to the new land since it's very popular.
 
SpoiledBlueMilk

SpoiledBlueMilk

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Dan deesnee said:
Well nobody has any connection to these new walkers. They aren't iconic, and aren't as recognizable. It's most definitely the right choice for them to use the classic walkers.
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It's still a bit too early to tell what generation the walkers will be. So far we have some steel superstructure in place - the difference between the ESB and the TLJ walkers is external. You still need four pillars and a roughly rectangular box to start. It would be interesting to see them adopt the new design though.
 

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